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Re: [NOISE] Airport legal question
by nathan poznick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Lucky Green wrote: > I know that it is a violation of federal law to joke about explosives at > the X-ray machine. Would an "I love Explosives" sticker on carry-on > luggage violate any laws? i'm not sure about any specific laws, but i know the airlines take *any* talk of explosives VERY seriously... a few years back, while i was in high school, i was on an airplane with about 15 other students, returning from an excursion... one of the other students said something to the effect of, "oh sure...yea, my cd player is really just a clever bomb in disguise.." one of the flight attendants overheard him say this, (to another student) and he was promptly taken to the front of the plane and restrained...they actually took his cd player apart to make sure there were no explosives in it...the only thing that stopped them from pressing criminal charges was the fact that all of the adult sponsor on the trip vouched for him and pleaded with the flight crew that he was just kidding... he got off with a SEVERE talking to and a cd player in less-than perfect condition... nate. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ Nathan Poznick ^ ^ <npoznick(a)harding.edu> ^ ^ http://www.harding.edu/~npoznick ^ ^ ^ ^ "640k should be enough for anybody." ^ ^ ^ ^ --Bill Gates, 1981-- ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: Spamming (Good or Bad?)
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About 20 Aug 96, 23:12, Rich Graves wrote: > > > So is mailbombing the motherfucker, or more productively, > > > virtually picketing his ISP until they kick him off for net > > > abuse > > > > That is the kind of self righteous crap that gives me the > > creeps!!! > > Good. That's called deterrence.* The market decides. > > >From your earlier message, though, describing the "spamming" you > >do, I > really don't see you as needing deterrence <SNIP> > indiscriminately. OTOH, if you really target your audience well, > especially if a human and not a bot is in charge of selecting > prospects, then I'd call that "cold calling," not "spamming." Well, that's just the way I look at it. But some people overreact... > Unsolicited email is moderately annoying, but I don't think it's > anything to complain about. I filter all mail from unknown addresses > anyway. > > * - The cool thing about this kind of deterrence is, since you're > only defending virtual turf, you can sabre-rattle to your heart's > content without worrying about having to actually follow through. I do enjoy a little of that from time to time. Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Re: Spamming (Good or Bad?)
by Daniel Miskell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ross Wright writes: >On Or About 20 Aug 96, 18:09, Rich Graves wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: >> >> > I don't know if there has been much discussion on the ethics of >> > spamming here? Is spamming free speech? >> >> Yes. >> >> So is mailbombing the motherfucker, or more productively, virtually >> picketing his ISP until they kick him off for net abuse > >That is the kind of self righteous crap that gives me the creeps!!! So civily dealing with a net abuser gives you the creeps? THAT gives ME the creeps, honestly. >> >> Ethically? We don't talk ethics much here, but I'd say it's highly >> unethical to abuse a service paid for by the pooled resources of >> many. > >I pay for my net access. I pay for my Sunday paper, it's full of ads >too!! Ethics??? Let's rat out on the EVIL spammers!! Let's turn >them into thier ISP!!! That's a load of CRAP!!!! We /all/ pay for our access. Most of us work, most of us pay for the paper, most of us put up with ads. Spam is the price of free speech. One must either, in minor cases, ignore it and move on, so as not to encourage; or, in case of extravagent abuse, send word to the isp, spread the word on the net that xxx.com is a spammer's haven (and otherwise discouraging further memberships), as well as filling the sysadmin's mailbox until the spammer is deleted and we can all move on again. It's not a load of crap, it's reality. Everything provided for civil use and enjoyment will be abused repeatedly, it's all in how we deal with it. Greetings from $hell, Daniel.

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Re: Husband/Wife jailed for saying Clinton Sucks
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:12 AM 8/21/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Z.B. wrote: > >> Published in Washington, D.C. July 9, 1996 >> Insult to Clinton leads to 2 arrests >> By Ruth Larson >> THE WASHINGTON TIMES >> ------------------------------------------------------ > >I think you should try a more credible paper. Say, Scientology's Freedom >Magazine, rather than the Moonies'. You are of course free to believe >whatever you wish. At this point, I think the Washington Times has far more credibility than the Washington Post. While I'm, likewise, not particularly happy with the Times' ownership, I doubt whether stories like this ever appear in the Post. (You tell me: Did this story ever appear in the Post?) The Net public is getting less and less tolerant of obvious bias on the part of those who report the news. The Times has some potential (undisplayed) bias that we need to be on the lookout for, but the Post is actively engaging in bias in its news stories, NOW. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Cypherpunks Satelites?
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There was a review of a book called "Micro Space Craft" by Rick Fleeter in the Aug issue of WIRED. My copy arrived an hour ago...... Chapter one: Why are we here? Chapter two: Propulsion-or-how to get there? Chapter three: Orbit Mechanics-or-What keeps these things up anyway? Chapter four: Orbit Mechanics II: The Movie Chapter five: You Send Me: Orbit mechanics III Chapter six: Magnetic Attractions Chapter seven: Everything you always wanted to know about radio, Part one: Shatter the myth of the digital Miracle? Chapter eight: Everything you always wanted to know about radio Part two: Faster than a speeding bullet. Chapter nine: Everything you always wanted to know about radio Part three: What's up Doc? Chapter ten: Thermal Dynamics: Tough talk about temperature (A short virtually painless, and occasionally philosophical look at spacecraft thermostatics and thermodynamics. Chapter eleven: You got an attitude buddy?: (A primer on small satelite stability and control.) Chapter twelve: Memory systems for spacecraft-or-Memory-What is it good for? Chapter thirteen: Mechanisms: The nuts and bolts of small Satelites. Chapter fourteen: Batteries not included. Chapter fifteen: Bring'em up clean. Chapter sixteen: Satelite clusters Chapter seventeen: Where to look for historical underpinnings,term definitions, and revolutionary zeal turned up to 11. Chapter eighteen: Space history and a possible future. "Dr Rick Fleeter is a founder and President of the small Satelite and space transportation company AeroAstro, and the International Small Satelite Organization (ISSO). He has been responsible for development of over 20 miniature satelites ranging from 2.5 to 250 pounds and has been writing and publishing the "NEW SPACE" (previously ISSO) newsletter bimonthly since 1987." The Edge City Press 10912 Harpers Sq. Ct. Reston, VA 22091 703.620.6650 FAX 703.716.5752 9-5 EDT "I LIKE IT !!!"(****) YMMV Brian "Zazen? Well it beats sitting around on your ass all day doing nothing."

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Re: [NOISE] Airport legal question
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:50 PM 8/21/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: >>7/23: "I don't have a bomb in the bag." >>7/24: "Well no, I left my pipe bomb at home." >>8/1: "It's not as if we were Swedish and here to blow up the airport." > > >I wonder how they determined that the lines above were "bomb threats." They contain the word "bomb". Bombs are "threatening". Therefore they are "bomb threats". Isn't authoritarian logic fun? --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD. - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com "| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: [NOISE] Airport legal question
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:37 PM 8/20/96 -0700, William Knowles wrote: >Lucky, > >>I know that it is a violation of federal law to joke about explosives at >>the X-ray machine. Would an "I love Explosives" sticker on carry-on >>luggage violate any laws? > >Dunno, But you might get a kick out this from The Chicago Reader that >published a list of the "bomb threats" made at O'Hare International >airport a few weeks back. >7/23: "I don't have a bomb in the bag." >7/24: "Well no, I left my pipe bomb at home." >8/1: "It's not as if we were Swedish and here to blow up the airport." I wonder how they determined that the lines above were "bomb threats." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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[Noise] RE: Husband/Wife jailed for saying Clinton Sucks
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote: >The Net public is getting less and less tolerant of obvious bias on the part >of those who report the news. The Times has some potential >(undisplayed) bias that we need to be on the lookout for, but the Post is >actively engaging in bias in its news stories, NOW. My God! Could Chomsky be right after all? James A favorite story on Bosnia was an interview I saw with Noam Chomsky and Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie who had led the Canadian forces in Bosnia. The interviewer asked Chomsky some question about the real goals of the West in this crisis and he gave some biting response about them having no motivation to resolve the conflict but simply appear to be acting while continuing to follow various policies that were cynical, amoral and contradictory to their stated public goals. Lewis Mackenzie is then asked to rebut this view but instead he agrees with Chomsky's analysis and goes on to give specific examples that he faced first hand. More Canadiana: The man who recently snuck into the Canadian Prime Minister's residence and tried to assassinate him was released from jail last week after serving three months. Fortunately, he did not call him names.

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RC4 RC2 & MD5???
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I assume then that the Netscape encryption is Symetric Key, so how do RC4 RC2 and MD5 compare and contast? TIA -- According to John Perry Barlow: *What is EFF?* "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker." *email <info(a)eff.org>* *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** US Out Of Cyberspace!!! Join EFF Today! *email <membership(a)eff.org>*

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HP supporting GAK, export controls
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Sorry, the last one went out without a subject] HP is in the process of ramroding a pro-GAK, pro-export control resolution through CommerceNet's public policy working group. Here are the details. HP is marketing several DES products that currently can not be sold abroad. In order to be allowed to sell these products, HP is willing to give the USG the following in return: 1. Support by CommerceNet to have GAK built into the (inevitable) domestic PKI. [Their presentation included the word "voluntary". When I asked what was meant by that, I got the reply "There are many interpretations of the word "voluntary"." Suffice to say there are fundamental differences in what I mean by "voluntary" and what their proposal would require the definition of "voluntary" to be.] 2. Support by CommerceNet for export restrictions on stronger forms of crypto than DES as well as restrictions on export of crypto for products not directly related (in HP's opinion) to ecommerce, such as email. This ill conceived attempt to use CommerceNet's clout as industry organization to liberalize export rules on HP's products, and those of a few other companies supporting HP in this effort, at a heavy cost to everybody else, must be stopped. Please let HP know how you feel about their initiative and encourage CommerceNet to adopt an anti-GAK, anti-export control position. --Lucky

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