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Re: CP LITE: A Censorship Device?
by wlkngowl＠unix.asb.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think the mail-to-news gateway is better than a "lite" list at this point. On Sun, 28 Jan 1996 03:54:31 -0600, Carol Anne wrote: >I've been watching this CP Lite thing develop. >Sounds like an attempt to moderate the list. >I mean it's easy to post out of it, >but hard to answer to it. >And all of the good back and forth discussion >gets lost in a backwash of private email. >There is just no way I will send someone an >email to a posting they post out of there. >I think that would be a disservice to everyone here. >Love Always, >Carol Anne >-- >Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress >*********************************************************************** >Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 >My Homepage >The Cyberdoc >*********************************************************************** >------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- >M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M >MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ >MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` >------------------------------------------------------------- >for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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Decrypting the "MIG Group"
by James M. Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friend, A 01 29 96 Electronic Telegraph newsstory ----------------------------------------- Riddle of spooks in the White House BY AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD reports: Official logs kept by the US secret service...indicate that a top White House aide, Patsy Thomasson, met a team of secret service technicians at her office on the night of Mr Foster's death. Evans-Pritchard writes: ...logs kept by Secret Service staff at the White House --pub- lished in Senate documents on the death of Mr Foster-- show that a so-called "MIG Group" was checked into offices occupied by Miss Thomasson and her boss, David Watkins...at 7.10 pm on July 20, 1993. Miss Thomasson was the only member of the White House staff log- ged into the office at the time. She checked out at the same time as the "MIG Group" at 7.44 pm.... E-P inquired about MIG, but-- The press spokesman for the Secret Service at first said that he had not heard of the acronym "MIG". The next day he changed his account, saying that the "MIG Group" was a team of Secret Service technicians that had gone to Miss Thomasson's office that night to conduct a routine alarm check. He said he could not divulge what the acronym MIG stood for be- cause the unit was secret. However, Intelligence sources have told The Sunday Telegraph that "MIG" stands for "military intelligence group". MIG groups are typi- cally known as Technical Services Counter-Measure teams (TSCMs), highly classified units that handle high-tech counter-espionage. Their duties, for example, include sweeping for bugs at the White House. Sources say that the high-tech counter-espionage staff at the White House are controlled and operated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, known as FEMA. This agency...has enormous power and can draw freely on the capabilities of the CIA, the FBI, and the Pentagon. E-P concludes: ...[The logs] add to the growing weight of evidence that a tiny group at the White House was tipped off early about Foster's death, long before the official notification at 8.30 pm. It would have provided a window of at least an hour to cover things up before anybody was alerted. If so, America is facing a White House scandal that is every bit as serious and nasty as Watergate. The Electronic Telegraph can be accessed at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk The newsstory is under World News. Its online filename is wamby- 27.html. Cordially, Jim

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Re: Denning's misleading statements
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I've never met Dorothy Denning, so I hesitate to characterize >her as a >villainess. But certainly she's the only noted cryptographer I >know of >who's gone so far out on a limb to defend a position the vast >majority of >computer scientists, civil libertarians, and cryptographers >scoff at. (And >I don't just mean it is we libertarians and civil libertarians >who are >scoffing, I mean that nearly every noted expert who has >carefully reviewed >the various schemes to control crypto and to provide GAK has >found them to >be essentially unenforceable except via draconian police state >methods, and >maybe not even then.) I believe that David Gelerntner, the professor of computer science at Yale University injured by a UNABOMBER bomb, is also a supporter of the Clipper chip. This may or may not be something that arose from the bombing. But I'm not sure how many cavaets and things he adds to his position. He may have changed it. But then he's not exactly a cryptographer. But, on the other side of the fence, I just passed a section in _Takedown_ where Shimomura and the FBI agents decide that the best place for the Clipper phones is "in the trunk." Apparently they don't communicate with regular phones so they were practically worthless. -Peter

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Re: "Concryption" Prior Art
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It occurs to me that such a combined form would be useful for the idea of having a message that can get multiple results depending on the passphrase used. One example might work as follows: A section of data is placed at the beginning of the encrypted material. When it is decrypted or encrypted (depending on how one wants to work things) with a given passphrase, it turns out a series of bits, reiterated as needed. Each x bits is used to say how far along in the encrypted material the next piece of information making up one encrypted message (using the same passphrase) is. If you put in a different passphrase, you get a different series of bits, and thus use a different set of information for the encrypted material. The The major problem that I can see with this scheme is overlap between messages. I would guess that one would need to keep coming up with different data sections until one originated that wasn't a problem. How long this would take would depend on the value of x and how long the data section was. However, this should only need to be done once for a given set of passphrases and the corresponding key (used for all of them). Any alternate suggestions? Not being a programmer, I have no real idea how to put this concept into practice. (And, moreover, someone else came up with the idea of multiple data sets from a given encrypted message; I am simply suggesting a potential mechanism). -Allen

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"Radio Free Cyberspace" and the "Silicon Curtain"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:25 PM 1/29/96, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote: >So, develop the tools to make the (illegal) flow of information easier and >the prosecution more difficult. E.g., the former Soviet Union couldn't stop >its people from listening to Western propaganda on short-wave radio, >although it was illegal, and more repressive governments did confiscate all >short-wave radios in the past. If I were a PR sort of person, and interested in funding a "liberation channel" into the countries behind the "Silicon Curtain," I'd think about a catchy name for the program. Not radio, of course, just a nod to the olden days of "Radio Free Europe" and "Voice of America" (which was, unfortunately, partly staffed by former members of the Mobile Killing Squads which rounded up Russian Jews). --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DRE_ams
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1-29-96. WSJ: "MCI, Microsoft Form Partnership to Sell Each Other's Products World-Wide." 1-29-96. FinTim: "News and MCI put their money on DBS." Includes proposal that Microsoft distribute by MCI satellite for pennies rather than for dollars by wire. 1-29-96. WSJ: "Sun to Unveil Prototype of Low-Cost PC for Internet That Uses Java Language." Java as OS and browser, sidestepping MS and NSCP. DRE_ams (for the 3)

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Re: "German service cuts Net access" (to Santa Cruz)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:54 PM 1/27/96 -0800, shamrock(a)netcom.com (Lucky Green) wrote: >Wonder how long before they will include gereral purpose proxies in the >proposed ban. >We should start a "banned websites pool". If a site gets banned, the >controversial content will be mirrored at all other sites. There are enough >ISPs on this list to make that happen. Will they have the courage? If I were running an ISP, I wouldn't go providing free host space for a mirror of Nazi files just because they'd been banned (and an obvious scan is to go claiming you've been banned just to get free space.) On the other hand, an HTTP relay site would be a highly reasonable service, perhaps with NNTP relaying as well. #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs

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BAI_bcg
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1-29-96. FinTim: "High street dinosaurs wake up. Online prospects are making the banking industry restive." Covers a new Bank Administration Institute/Boston Consulting Group report, "The Information Highway and Retail Banking." BAI_bcg ----- An FT reviewer of the KDM/TSU books writes that "Littman reveals how little divides the sheriffs of cyberspace from its outlaws. Shimomura resembles Mitnick more than he would like to admit. The big difference is that the computer expert on the right side of the law becomes a media celebrity, earns consultancy fees telling companies how to defend themselves, and has others pay his expenses and buy his equipment. The expert who does not inhabits a prison cell with six other men, and is reduced to writing pleas for help with a stub pencil."

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Re: more RANTING about NSA-friendly cpunks
by Ted Garrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:10 PM 1/28/96 +0800, you wrote: >In message <199601262011.MAA17408(a)netcom16.netcom.com>, > "Vladimir Z. Nuri" wrote: >> has anyone *tried* just ignoring the ITAR wrt crypto and seeing what >> would happen? [snip] >> but aren't we equally as comic in assuming that violating the ITAR >> crypto sections will inevitably bring the 4 horsemen of the NSA?? > >One word... >Zimmerman. >I do agree with what you're saying though. But what he's saying is basically this: If instead of targeting a single entity - (eg Zimmerman) for a crypto violation, they had to look at thousands of separate entities per violation (eg cypherpunks, inner circle, users on AOL who have a clue, mit professors, cryptographic experts, corner preachers, etc.), then soon the court system would be forced to come to the realization that, indeed, the genie IS out of the bottle, and the system as a whole would have to recognize that a change needs to be made. As it stands, they bullied on ONE man for something he didn't do, and could drop the case without there needing to be a precedent set. Because there is now no precedent, the NSA and FBI can still use the ITAR regulations to batter any indiviual who attempts to distribute strong cryptography tools to the general public. If they had been confronted with tens, hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of people tangibly involved in distributing cryptographic tools, then it would have been much harder for them to say "We are just going to drop this.". They would have had to either go the distance or dismiss it in the beginning. If PGP had been developed under the gnu charter or the Linux concept, what would the government have been able to do about it being distributed? NOT A DAMNED THING. Or at least that's my opinion.

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new(?) anti-usenet censorship technique?
by Jon Lasser 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Playing around online today, it occured to me that much of Compu$pend's subscribers (and many other ISPs, especially smaller ones which might be subject to governmental pressures) rely largely on people who use chat modes frequently, often for sex-related chat... they cannot cut off IRC (for example) without hurting their income substantially. If someone put up an IRC<->news gateway, with a bot that allowed anyone on channel to read newsgroups, it'd be virtually impossible to censor; one could use a variable channel name to increase the difficulty of censoring it. Has anyone done this before? Or talked about it? Jon Lasser ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lasser <jlasser(a)rwd.goucher.edu> (410)494-3072 Visit my home page at http://www.goucher.edu/~jlasser/ You have a friend at the NSA: Big Brother is watching. Finger for PGP key.

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