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Re: CryptoAnarchy: What's wrong with this picture?
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:05 AM 5/3/96 -0400, Michael Loomis wrote: >No tax system will ever been perfect, but income taxation is a good >system of taxation. Income taxation inevitably requires some accounting >costs, but these costs should be going down with advances in computing >technology and other technology. The income tax necessarily violates privacy in ways that were thought outrageous a few when it was first introduced. There were numerous cartoons on the subject, but people accepted it because only the rights of a tiny handful of very rich people were going to to be violated. (I hear the same argument all the time on the privacy list, where lots of people want the government to have root access to the computers of the evil capitalist overlords in order that the government can protect their privacy.) As our capacity to protect our privacy and still engage in complex extended transactions improves, I expect that once again the income tax will come to be seen as an intolerable and utterly unacceptable violation of peoples rights and future generations will be amazed at our ignorant barbarity. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Conrad_Burns@burns.senate.gov: Open Letter to Internet Community From Senator Burns
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:45 PM 5/3/96 -0500, John Deters <jad(a)dsddhc.com> wrote: [snip] >I agree that this could be the single most important piece of legislation to >affect the cypherpunks ever -- firmly defining the legal status of >encryption (and in our favor, no less!) [snip] I sent email today to Senators Burns and Leahy thanking them for their work on this issue, and I'm asking others who support their efforts to do the same. They've got some hard work ahead of them to get this bill through, I think, and I wanted to let them know their efforts are appreciated. I also pointed out to Senator Leahy, politely but firmly, my concern over this provision in the ECPA (which he mentioned in his letter, so I'm assuming he considers it still on the table): "Whoever willfully endeavors by means of encryption to obstruct, impede, or prevent the communication of information in furtherance to a felony which may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, to an investigative or law enforcement officer shall- "(1) in the case of a first conviction, be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 5 years, fined under this title, or both; or "(2) in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 10 years, fined under this title, or both." >] (2) Miniaturization, disturbed computing, and > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >] reduced transmission costs make communication via >] electronic networks a reality. > >I think "disturbed computing" pretty much sums up this list, if not the >entire net! :-) :) Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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Re:
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:02 PM 5/3/96, nmunro(a)technews.com wrote: >subsribe neil >munro OK, I will "subsribe" you. On the off chance that you meant "subscribe", instructions follow at the end of this message. The Cypherpunks list is handled with the "Majordomo" automated list handler. All commands must be addressed to majordomo(a)toad.com, not to the readers of the Cypherpunks list. How to subscribe to the Cypherpunks mailing list: send a message to "majordomo(a)toad.com" with the body message "subscribe cypherpunks". To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe cypherpunks" to the same address. For help, send "help cypherpunks". Don't send these requests to the Cypherpunks list itself. And be aware that the list generates between 40 and 100 messages a day.

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Re: Conrad_Burns@burns.senate.gov: Open Letter to Internet Community From Senator Burns
by John Deters 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:22 PM 5/2/96 -0400, Perry Metzger forwarded the following to the list: [deleted] > In the meantime, I need your help in supporting the effort to repeal > cryptography export controls. You can find out more by visiting my > web page http://www.senate.gov/~burns/. There you will find a > collection of encryption education resources that my Webmaster has > assembled. I trust that the entire Internet community, from the > old-timers to those just starting to learn about encryption, will find > this information useful. [deleted] > Conrad Burns > United States Senator I agree that this could be the single most important piece of legislation to affect the cypherpunks ever -- firmly defining the legal status of encryption (and in our favor, no less!) However, did anyone actually read it (it's at http://www.cdt.org/crypto/pro_CODE_bill.html )? Here's a nice bit of section 2: ]SEC.2.FINDING;PURPOSE ] ] (a) FINDINGS. - The Congress finds the following: ] ] (1) The ability to digitize information makes ] carrying out tremendous amounts of commerce and ] personal communication electronically possible. ] (2) Miniaturization, disturbed computing, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ] reduced transmission costs make communication via ] electronic networks a reality. I think "disturbed computing" pretty much sums up this list, if not the entire net! :-) -j -- J. Deters >From our _1996_Conflict_of_Interest_Statement_, re: our No Gift policy: "If you receive any alcoholic beverages, for example, a bottle of wine, you must give the gift to your location Human Resources Manager." This memo is from the Senior V.P. of Human Resources. +---------------------------------------------------------+ | NET: jad(a)dsddhc.com (work) jad(a)pclink.com (home) | | PSTN: 1 612 375 3116 (work) 1 612 894 8507 (home) | | ICBM: 44^58'33"N by 93^16'42"W Elev. ~=290m (work) | | PGP Key ID: 768 / 15FFA875 | +---------------------------------------------------------+

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L. Detweiler is a CyberAngel
by Richard Charles Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ROTFL. From http://snyside.sunnyside.com/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/Announcements/Cy… Special mention must go to an ongoing debate about anonymous remailers, which was an area where we were less informed. Thanks to an154280(a)anon.penet.fi for lots of very helpful suggestions. For those of you interested in the debate about anonymity we have two suggestions: firstly we have a HUGE FAQ on "Identity, Privacy and Anonymity on the InterNet", written by L.Detweiler, and if any of you want it, please write to us and ask for it (WARNING it is 138k!) Secondly you can write to help(a)anon.penet.fi for their FAQ on their anonymous service, which is also very educational.

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Re: L. Detweiler is a CyberAngel
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu" "Richard Charles Graves" 3-MAY-1996 17:30:30.47 >Subject: L. Detweiler is a CyberAngel >ROTFL. From >http://snyside.sunnyside.com/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/Announcements/Cy… >Special mention must go to an ongoing debate about anonymous remailers, which >was an area where we were less informed. Thanks to an154280(a)anon.penet.fi >for lots of very helpful suggestions. For those of you interested in the >debate about anonymity we have two suggestions: firstly we have a HUGE FAQ >on "Identity, Privacy and Anonymity on the InterNet", written by L.Detweiler, >and if any of you want it, please write to us and ask for it (WARNING it is >138k!) Secondly you can write to help(a)anon.penet.fi for their FAQ on their >anonymous service, which is also very educational. I had noticed that earlier, yes... see why I think they know less about the Net than even _I_ do? -Allen

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Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats")
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> >It certainly makes me feel more comfortable. The problem I have is >that I expect that increasingly pages will arise for which information >can only be extracted with the use of Java. Some flunky from some desk >will will come up and scream "what do you mean I can't get a copy of >Foo Corporation's merger press release because we won't run some >program! Thats bullshit! Do you know how much money the risk arb desk >pulls in, you twit! This must never happen again! Fix it immediately!" Might I suggest setting up another computer with Java enabled, and _without_ the critical applications? Somehow, I think they can afford an extra computer for each desk - it wouldn't have to be a high-capability one. That would also cure having to have Netscape and other high-network-access programs on the same computers as the critical applications. (Of course, some of the critical applications may also need to access the Internet... but they probably wouldn't need http capability.) Of course, feel free to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. -Allen

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Re: Why I dislike Java. (was Re: "Scruffies" vs. "Neats")
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:03 AM 5/3/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >... The problem I have is >that I expect that increasingly pages will arise for which information >can only be extracted with the use of Java. Some flunky from some desk >will will come up and scream "what do you mean I can't get a copy of >Foo Corporation's merger press release because we won't run some >program! Thats bullshit! Do you know how much money the risk arb desk >pulls in, you twit! This must never happen again! Fix it immediately!" Unfortunately the market decided that function and price were more important than security. (I know, I spent 10 years developing and trying to sell an OS with strong security features.) The only thing I can suggest to you is, spend the bucks, desk real estate, confusion etc. and have two machines; a secure/reliable one and an insecure/unreliable one. Make sure OS manufacturers like Apple and Microsoft know that you want to be able to disable the build in Java they have announced. You may be able to develop a way of transferring the clipboard between the machines so the dancing Java displayed economic numbers can be easily and safely transferred to the secure machine's analysis program. Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: PGP API & PGP 3.0
by mccoy＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Derek Atkins (warlord(a)mit.edu) writes: > The PGP Library is currently under development. I have a draft API > document, but it is not complete (I still need to finish documenting > the key management functions). I'd like to get it to a state where I > can "publically" release it soon -- then again I've been saying that > for a while. Yeah... I was thinking a few months ago that it would be fun to set up an idea-futures claim regarding which would appear in a usable fashion first (if ever): PGP 3.0 and it's library or the GNU Hurd... jim

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Re: CryptoAnarchy: What's wrong with this picture?
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [I must *try* to quit rising to all this bloody bait, but:] Michael Loomis wrote: >[..."unfairness is kept within reasonable bounds"..."reasonable > sized government"...] I'm sure that we all agree on the meaning of the term, "reasonable." >Consumption taxation would, of course, >include a tax on the amount of information coming into your computer. I >don't think that the government will have any problem determining the >quantity of the information & since it will be encrypted anyway, I don't >see the privacy worries. This would give a whole new meaning to the term "mailbomb," no? JMR Regards, Jim Ray <liberty(a)gate.net> "The FAA, FBI, Customs, CIA, Justice, DEA and the IRS were all involved in Mena. They won't say how they were involved, but they will tell you there is nothing there." -- Bill Plante, CBS News Correspondent, & Michael Singer, Producer, CBS News, New York. in Tuesday, May 3, 1994's Wall Street Journal letters to the editor section. _______________________________________________________________________ PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Public Key id. # E9BD6D35 -- http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray _______________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQCVAwUBMYoTt21lp8bpvW01AQE4WQP+KQyztz4V6jfYvboOrDhLLuItlTzkLmIv 6TfM3/7O+fLoNcyKXGOEmgc5y7j0/IiiXJJtMsDCsfH/ONpyEAY1GRnfREgMv9HW OezSVVhYd/xoKg6pouAaWgZ2cD3RlH8SeE7LqCkeZhAXdcXHiNIAK8mAv78Eln0y KjzImXWG9dw= =ieam -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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