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Re: your mail
by rarachel＠prism.poly.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > Make sure the drapes block IR. There are instances of even local > > police forces flooding the front of a house with IR light, and > > viewing the activities inside with IR viewers -- all of this > > through closed drapes. > > What sort of materials DO block IR ? Lycra ? Wool ? Cotton ? > > And how do we test drapes without buying them first ? > My guess would be that something like aluminum foil would do just fine I remember seeing some ads for some space age drapes that block all IR as to prevent your room forom overheating from sunlight in the summer and from your room leaking heat to the outside in the winter... looked a lot like aluminum foil to me... any idea on whether this stuff can still be found today?

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Re: CIA@funet.fi ?
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: Graham Toal seems to have drug this thread to cypherpunks from alt.2600... Oh bugger. My newsreader's posting software is broken at the moment, so I read news in rn and file any I want to reply to in my mailbox. Then by the time I read it in mail and hit 'R', and ~h to change the address from the poster to a mail2news gateway, I've lost the newsgroup name. Looks like I forgot which group that article came from. Sorry. G (it's made more confusing because I also get cypherpunks via a newsgroup)

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Re: IR Blocking.
by ag588＠cleveland.Freenet.Edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >-> >BTW: What's the FBI, Cops, etc. supposed to do when their "suspect" is >aware that they're being watched? Do they knock down your door and >stop you from attempting to foil their investigation because they have >a warrant?? Or do they just go home with their tails between their legs? ><- > >They get a real attitude and start to break the rules because >"Now we're gonna get this smart ass and show him good." >"Yeah boss.... right." > >-uni- (Dark) > > The question as to what they are "supposed" to do can be understood in two ways: (1) what does the law ALLOW them to do, versus (2) what are they likely to do anyway? If the question is understood to be (2) above, then I would agree with Unicorn. But if the question is understood to be (1) above, then inquiry must be made as to (a) whether there is a warrant, and if so then (b) what are the terms of the warrant. If there is no warrant, then of course they should tuck tail and run. If there is a warrant, then upon confrontation the person who is the object of the warrant should be permitted to read it. Maybe the warrant is only to permit tapping of the phone. Maybe the warrant is only to seize certain equipment. At this point, you should shut up (don't say ANYTHING AT ALL) and call your lawyer. If things have gotten this far along, you're no longer in control of the situation and the best thing you can do is hope the feds screw up somehow. Oh, by the way, when you're talking to your lawyer on the phone, don't say anything stupid. Don't admit anything. Just explain the situation and tell him to come over right away. And in the meantime, just stay quiet! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am an attorney, seeking a position in the area of Computer Law. If you know of such a position available, or of someone who may know of such a position, please send e-mail! Thanks.

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Re: (fwd) Re: What's so bad about a Surveillance State?
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Tim's reply to Jim] Citizen-Unit Miller is to be commended for his recognition that the common good is served when the state fulfills its surveillance obligations. .... etc. [ uncontrollable giggle from irresponsible unit ] [Jim's reply] I do *not* think a surveillance state is a good thing. I deliberately constructed my post to get people's attention. I want people (other than just Cypherpunks) to think about life in a surveillance state. .............................................. Thinking about life in a surveillance state, I wonder what youall would do if it came to pass? I once asked a bunch of Objectivists what they would do if a certain individual was elected and the US was turned into a socialist/commie paradise. In three hours of discussion, they could not arrive at any viable ideas. Maybe, Jim, you could also compile some replies about how 'free radical units' would deal with the problem. It might sound a bit like a sci-fi story, all total. Blanc

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Re: RIPEM 1.2
by mch＠sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Subject: Re: RIPEM 1.2 > 1) ripem is illegal for non-north-american users Well, export of RIPEM is illegal. Then again, export of PGP is illegal. The difference is that PGP has already been exported and distributed/improved outside of North America. > 2) ripem still uses DES RIPEM has supported triple DES since version 1.1 (I'm the person who added triple DES support to RIPEM). > 3) using ripem supports the notion that PKP holds some valid patents As a practical matter, I am willing to use what the person on the other end of the connection is using. Some people won't/can't use PGP because they don't want to pay (and are worried about the legal issues, IDEA/RSA patents). Some people won't/can't use RIPEM because they are outside of North America, have a religious axe to grind about software patents, or believe that RIPEM is part of an NSA plot to take over the planet. So, I'll sign with PGP. Why? More people on cypherpunks use it. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.4 iQCVAgUBLYeIZuULSAGiySfVAQEALAP/UqI9CyYXlhDZnbHDG8QJR30sT7uFGQf4 ji/Hc5T48GI20YdW1IkymsNt8lzB8ECowX185g8I0Nxq4yirCWPohThwIrgqVNSt bEMf4cxSxBqRSJ4rVx5xi8c9soovxmgf+LSCNTW/rweJ1ogRVneKoBEl0WwHY1uA FpQhbd/xUdE= =lR1k -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FOIA text
by jdblair＠nextsrv.cas.muohio.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

#include <bndwdth-apology.h> Does anyone know an ftp site where I can find the full text of the Freedom of Information Act? -john. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Blair: <jdblair(a)nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> voice: (513) 529-4877 PGP public key available upon request. KILL YOUR Privacy in the information age is a right, not a privilage. TELEVISION Information = Power = Control. Fight the centralization of information.

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Re: (fwd) Who's watching you... 01
by ag588＠cleveland.Freenet.Edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reply-To: ag588(a)cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John C. Brice, ESQ) From:Surveillance.Center/Population.Control/High.Command To:Field.operatives Re:Citizen.unit.miller/terrorist.free.speech.subversives Cc:[censored] Operatives: Once again citizen.unit.miller is getting out of hand. You have been warned about allowing these subversive postings of his [see below] to reach the Net. Having failed in your primary duty, you are hereby instructed to encourage the creation of the referenced message base. Once this is accomplished, these subversive elements will have unwittingly established (1) a method whereby we can more closely monitor the level of their knowledge; (2) a method whereby we can measure information dispersal rates; and (3) a convenient source for the infusion of disinformation. You know what to do. The Management. > > > >What do people think of the idea of creating a news group dedicated >to discussing surveillance technology and its potential impact on >society? > > >Jim_Miller(a)suite.com > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am an attorney, seeking a position in the area of Computer Law. If you know of such a position available, or of someone who may know of such a position, please send e-mail! Thanks.

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how to get mini-JIR
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't know what happened to the message I sent right after my mini-JIR announcement. If it's just that TOAD.COM is backed up, sorry about the duplication. The issue you want is 1994-03. --------------------------- 1994-03-10 How to Subscribe / How to Get Back Issues (*) mini-JIR The mini-Journal of Irreproducible Results is an electronic publication, available over the Internet, free of charge. It is distributed as a LISTSERV application. We expect to publish 6-12 issues per year. To subscribe, send a brief E-mail message to either of these addresses: LISTSERV(a)MITVMA.MIT.EDU or LISTSERV@MITVMA The body of your message should contain ONLY the words "SUBSCRIBE MINI- JIR" followed by your name. Here are two examples: SUBSCRIBE MINI-JIR Irene Curie Joliot SUBSCRIBE MINI-JIR Nicholai Lobachevsky To stop subscribing, send the following message to the same address: SIGNOFF MINI-JIR To obtain a list of back issues, send this message: INDEX MINI-JIR To retrieve a particular back issue, send a message specifying which issue you want. For example, to retrieve issue 93-00002, send this message: GET MINI-JIR 93-00002 If you have questions about how to subscribe, or if you would like to re-distribute mini-JIR, please send e-mail to: mgeller(a)mit.edu [PLEASE NOTE: if you are regularly posting mini-JIR on your gopher, WWW, news group or mailing list, please drop an e-mail note to mgeller(a)mit.edu so that we can compile a complete resource list -- thanks!]

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Clipper hearings
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Begin Forwarded Message talk.politics.crypto #3763 (4 more) Subject: Clipper hearings. Not yet scheduled for CSPAN. From: kwebb(a)unm.edu (Kyle L. Webb) Date: Wed Mar 16 21:07:21 EST 1994 Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 28 Forgive me if this has been put out before. I called Senator Leahy's office, and was told that the Clipper hearings were to be held Friday March 18th at 1030 am EST in room 226 Dirksen Senate Office Building. I sent email to cspanviewr(a)aol.org which is CSPAN's viewer comment address letting them know of this. Today I got back a reply that there was as yet no plan to cover this event, but that the info had been forwarded to the programming staff. My guess is that it is far more likely that these hearings will be shown by CSPAN if there are a large number of requests to either the email address for CSPAN or phone calls to the CSPAN office, inquiring if the hearings will be broadcast. If getting information on Clipper into the public eye is important, then getting the hearings carried by CSPAN would be a good way to start. CSPAN's viewer services phone number is (202) 626-7963 (I got this number from CSPAN's gopher server, so it's been on the net before) Kyle L. Webb Dept. of Physics + Astronomy kwebb(a)carina.unm.edu University of New Mexico - fin -uni- (Dark)

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Address correction
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The address given by Black Unicorn to mail to cspan was in error, my mail to cspanviewr(a)aol.org bounced. To rattle their cage, try cspanviewr(a)aol.COM.

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