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RE: Postcard Debates
by Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The problem with the USPS is that it is government run -- like anything government run, it doesn't work right. It's too expensive, too slow, and too unreliable. Email, on the other hand, is largely handled by the private sector. Hence, it works better. What I find interesting (in response to your note that the USPS would charge), is that the U.S. government had to actually pass a law to make sure the U.S. government doesn't start taxing the Internet. ____________________________________________________ Jamie R. Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Reeza! [mailto:howree@cable.navy.mil] Sent: Friday, 11 December, 1998 20:51 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: RE: Postcard Debates This would open the door for the USPS to charge for each email sent. The same rules? No. Based on those rules, but not the same rules. The same rules would slow email down considerably also, wouldn't they???<g> Reeza! At 08:41 AM 12/11/98 -0500, Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) wrote: >If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised >regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and >simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's >understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it >in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same >note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for >tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws >should apply to email. > >____________________________________________________ >Jamie R. Wilson > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] >Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 >To: Mbishop645(a)aol.com >Cc: maven(a)weirdness.com; hab(a)gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Re: > > > > >Mbishop645(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >HaB wrote: >> ><snip> >> >> That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to >> >> someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the >> >> electronic equivalent of one?" >> >> >> >> balance. >> > >> >Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? >> >One word: postcard. >> >> Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other >> than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for? > >No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the >chance for it to fall off. > >There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of >security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside >an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the >envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to >have it go by without much notice. > >It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do >with what amounts to postcard security. > >What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be >willing to do something extra for that security? > >This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the >person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to >understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are >willing to take. > > >

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17 Dec '03

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by Igor Chudov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Igor Chudov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Mathematician-to-silicon compilers and the Law
by Dutra de Lacerda 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At Sunday, you wrote: >what happens to the law when regular english is just a few clicks away from >being an executable? A chip? How about the best cipher of all?!? The one we carry between our ears? (Just proving the illegitimacy of such law attempts) >Politicians have particular problems linking abstractions to atoms. Will they understand the question: Can we decipher a Human memory by analysis of a brain?!? And if they consider crypto as a weapon what about cars and radios... ...and phones... and pens... etc. I'm thinking of the Jeep in military action... Cars are used by terrorists. They depend on them. Same with phones... pens... radios etc. ... (Not to talk again about human memory) All these items have the SAME importance as crypto... with an increasing treat cars can be when changed in REAL weapons. Are these anti-crypto folks just stupid... or insane?: Why don't they do laws limited to the terrorists?!? In my country guns are prohibited... but criminals have them. The arguments used by them just smell funny. So: Anti-Crypto can only have a point as a tool to political control. It also is the negation of all human rights including the one of intellectual property. Brave new World?!? >I see two extrapolated futures. In one, the end result is restrictions on >free speech in certain areas (e.g., crypto), for the benefit of national >insecurity and the Children. In the other, the Law will have to allow you >whatever posessions you like, and only punish *actions* after the fact. >Given recent historical trends... Only brought to public prepairing the anti-crypto campaign! What are the real links?!? Facts please! Fact: No government today governs... they now only manage economies. The result: The degradation of social and cultural links. ... and what have been the actions taken to such irresponsibility?!? Not actions of correction but of repression... Wrong path!!! D.L. - - - Antonio Manuel Melo de Carvalho Dutra de Lacerda Morada : Rua Rodrigues Cabrilho, 5 - 5 Esq. 1400 Lisboa, PORTUGAL Telefone : +351-(1)-3013579 FAX & BBS : +351-(1)-3021098

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Re: COMMENT: Minimum Security Devices and Procedures and Bank Secrecy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>If this act is passed, I know what my response will be. I will promptly >withdraw all my monies from any institution that follows these regulations, >refuse to do any sort of business with them, and urge all my friends and >family to do the same. I know that many others will do the same without >hesitation. Today I called the manager of the branch where I have account (for many years) and asked him about "Know your customer" thingy and reporting that they currently do. He seemed knowledgable to a certain extent about this matter, and assured me that today they report only the $10K+ cash transactions. Then I told him that I will take my business elsewhere should they decide to offer "know your customer" service to the government and asked him nicely to relay my stand to his manager. Call them. These people make living from your money.

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Some sites are...!!
by cyphrpnk＠rainbow.thinkthink.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Striking!
by Sun Toucher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

well you could say I striked. "Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall"

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RE: Anyone Striking?
by Gomes, Carlos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My original statement is a bit off. I think the past weekend in Dallas is still with in spirit.... I don't think Jim nor Perry openly advocated the strike so let me chop that statement. And as for myself, I was hoping to see something a bit more active in regards to a protest and I was hoping that the call to strike would be a start. The call appears to have been slightly still born if not horribly premature. There were several ideas floating around: a) detach from the net and from work b) create a signed letter of disapproval published to appropriate orgs c) _short_ loosely organized burst of DoS against select online targets from widely distributed sources. All valid forms of protests (when properly organized and executed) all with varying forms of impact and visibility. For the record, I think option c) could be a valid and effective form of active protest. It is a form which has not been used in support of the cpunks' agenda (or many agenda's for that matter) to date and one that merits a review. On to the next online skirmish... regards, C.G. -- DISCLAIMER: The above views are mine and not of my employer or coworkers. I do not speak as a representative of their views. Only of my own. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim May [mailto:tcmay@got.net] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 12:39 PM > To: Gomes, Carlos; James Glave > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cryptography(a)c2.net; dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu > Subject: RE: Anyone Striking? > > > At 9:29 AM -0800 12/14/98, Gomes, Carlos wrote: > >Even http://www.openpgp.net is still up and operational. I > agree with Perry > >M. and Jim C. that the concept was good but the timetable > was unfortunately > >unrealistic. I've not run across any strike pages. > > A foolish idea, that little "strike." Something out of the > lefty sixties. > Grape boycotts and all that nonsense. > [deletia] >

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Forced DNA Collection
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Top Story on AP... NEW YORK (AP) -- Despite objections from civil libertarians, the city's police commissioner proposed Monday to take a DNA sample along with the fingerprints of everyone arrested. Commissioner Howard Safir said the test would solve crimes and help curb repeat offenders. ``The innocents have nothing to fear ... only if you are guilty should you worry about DNA testing,'' he said. ... In Britain, where DNA samples are taken from every suspect, officials have solved 17 major cases using such data since 1995, according to the National Institute of Justice Journal. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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