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Re: JUST GO AWAY Sue D nym!
by snyderra＠dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:14 PM 7/18/94, kelly(a)netcom.com wrote: > Hey detweiler... I am not as gentle as perry is... just go away... >you DONT have any votes here... p.s. I WIll be notifying netcom management >again of your activities... When I joined the list, I received a note describing Detweiler, and asking me not to react to said person. This seems like good advice. I have placed "Sue" in my mail filtering program. I suggest that those who feel that "Sue D. Nym" is Detweiler do the same, and ignore the person. If it is Detweiler, he's having his desired effect. Bob -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra(a)dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu finger for RIPEM public key When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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Re: The Detweiler Files on FTP
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga): > On the other hand, how old is this guy? 12? I mean what do we really know > about him? Do these archives have anything on him besides his spam and the > resultant fusilades? Has anyone actually met him? Not that I'd like to, I > guess... He's obviously intelligent and rather older than 12. The archives have someone's well-researched trace of his activities, Tim May's (lengthy) biography of LD, and some of his sane posts -- such as a correspondence with Diffie. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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RE: Federal Control of Financial Transactions
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some comments on Duncan's post: All of the arguments which he proposes against reasons why the government can't succeed are true and accurate; however, it is one of those things where "you know and I know, but *they* don't know"...... The examples which you relate of government failures from inefficiency, etc. have been proven time and again in history, but in that case why does history keep repeating itself, in slightly different variations. "......why doesn't Clinton impose wage and price controls, exchange controls, tariffs, and a full-blown industrial policy?" If he can succeed in implementing the Health Plan, and if the National ID were accepted, that would probably next on his agenda (if he were to be re-elected [2 more years]). One saving grace from all the discussions which are going on of the above projects is that they presently are just discussions, and if they could just be kept discussing these things, none of them will ever be accomplished. By the time the discussions are finished, everyone will have version 10.x of every computer app and all companies will be "virtual". Blanc

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Recent references to Crypto in the media...
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Just a note to alert those interested that the latest issue of PC Magazine has two articles about crypto. One is about public key and DES and the general currents. The second is in reference to WinCrypt. Both articles are very general and do not delve into technical discussion. Take care.

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Re: CBS News: National ID Card Returns
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: From: michael(a)resonex.com (Michael Bryan) : On a related note, I was very surprised when I went to England, and : found out that their driver's licenses don't have photos on them, : supposedly because it would be an invasion of privacy. And I was also : told that they cannot keep your fingerprints on file permanently, : except for particularly severe crimes. Minor crimes might allow them : to keep records of your fingerprints for a couple of years or so, but : then the records must be destroyed. It's amazing how complacent we : are in the US by comparison. I fear that a National ID card would be : far to easy to foist upon the American public. I hope I'm wrong. The *police* aren't supposed to keep fingerprints on file if the person isn't a criminal, but who believes they're that stringent? And of course MI5 (SIS, whatever) can do what they damn well please. The USA aren't supposed to keep peoples fingerprints on file either, after they've done the background check, when you immigrate. Want to bet they do? I think when I give my fingerprints I'll ask the official to write me a *personal* guarantee that my fingerprints won't be saved, then sue his ass if they ever appear later... once they've been digitised for the system, do you believe that all copies will be deleted? I sure don't. All I believe is when they tell you the *card* will be returned they're probably telling the truth. BFD. G (Who also wonders if the blood sample for AIDS testing gets dried and filed for future genetic fingerprinting...) PS So are we going to spin off that list we talked about for this sort of stuff or not? Sameer?

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Detweiler: other lives
by mspellman＠cix.compulink.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To:Cypherpunks@toad.com Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) asked: > On the other hand, how old is this guy? 12? I mean what do we really > knowabout him? Do these archives have anything on him besides his spam > and theresultant fusilades? Has anyone actually met him? Not that I'd > like to, Iguess... > > I'm curious about this guy for no legitmate reason. He just seems > bright,and he must have done some crypto once. He is listed as a > contributor on mycopy MacPGP, for instance, and before he started > spamming it, his posts toimp-interest could make sense on occasion. It may (or may not) be of interest but Larry Detweiler is keeper of the Internet Writer Resource Guide - the FAQ on writing groups. There was also a minor character called Lord Detweiler in a Jack Vance story.alt.netloons.pita anyone? Martin Spellman <mspellman(a)cix.compulink.co.uk>

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Tax Evasion Morality
by j.hastings6＠genie.geis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Libertarian Political Doctrine 101 >I wonder if people are really trying to just avoid taxes through >privacy. Avoidance is legal, of course, so I assume evasion is what you mean. Is taxation legalized theft or the price we pay for civilization? - From an individual rights point of view, the assumed government "social contract" is bogus because it is not voluntary. It is a coercive monopoly, like a Mafia protection racket with a flag. Muscle in on the TG's (Territorial Gangsters) turf at your own risk. But might doesn't make right. Just because thugs in D.C. control military machines, doesn't give them the right to rob and kill us. Are we obliged to obey them, or should we resist evil? Aside from the support of an elite or a few marginal basket cases, are we better off with the existing system or with competing courts and defense agents? Such a non-coercive alternative might provide order and efficient defense against retail criminals without giving wholesale power to a centralized gang of political tyrants. A well-connected network, being necessary to the integrity of a free State (of Being, man), the right of the people to keep and bear strong cryptography shall not be infringed. Kent - j.hastings6(a)genie.geis.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLiyHbDQYUX1dU7vxAQGAGgP/Skez+0dumZOg+jqX1R8qPa6dFkktY0ab E48er0KVakS+C8HRVrnsX3sEu5jl5it1P1eRU07WyjHub8hKBhvXxvFcV2NkUpSN 0VHn7OstiFBClOo6QYjTRjvwA0r0RpGJpHnADZjYJT+fipiS193RX7VZL59AvkMW OFcwgzSU0Hw= =b8ZX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Censorship in Cyberspace in London Sunday Times
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last Sunday's Times (of London) had a cover story in the color supplement entitled "Lost in Cyberspace" by Stephen Amidon about the fact that you can't censor same. Included history of film and video censorship in the UK. Sober. No mention of TDPs (Terrorists, Drug-dealers, Pederasts). Said governments and major corporations were worried. Mentioned virtual sex. Suggested we try giving people other interests rather than censoring their inputs (since we can't anyway. DCF "If you think that those people are worthy or capable of ruling you then you're probably right."

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GUT and P=NP
by kkirksey＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was reading Hawking's _Black Holes & Baby Universes_ and an interesting question struck me: If a Grand Unified Theory exists, would it not prove P=NP to be true? My Armchair Cosmologist's (TM) reasoning goes something like this: If a GUT exists, and that GUT is proven to be true (making it the Grand Unified Law, I suppose), any behaviour we believe to be non-deterministic really isn't: it obeys the GUL. So P=NP must be true, since NP is an artifact our pre-GUL way of looking at things. Am I way off base here? Can anyone with more knowledge in this area than I tell me if I'm right, wrong, or somewhere in between? Many thanks, Ken ============================================================================= Ken Kirksey kkirksey(a)world.std.com Mac Guru & Developer - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harassment is a power issue, and power is neither male nor female. Whoever is behind the desk has the opportunity to abuse power, and women will take advantage as often as men. - Michael Crichton (in _Disclosure_) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLisd3+sZNYlu+zuBAQFIewP+Pailgh2SFHki+eakhVU9wRCX4kvTXGt/ A2cL/GdIAWkMTPDwOIjzG6MusXcyNUTnTIiAp+Ctzti2xa8F2hsyXU5yd8RQh6aE ukmmKGvzYBocmiPV2ekl5aSlubV8+0BG4bLDDY5IKOwy1P+oXhY9539YumXuVq+D xKp/7PdRBcU= =Gx6j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Nat'l ID # ?
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It strikes me as anachronistic to worry about national ID numbers for privacy reasons. With data processing of the 1950's, someone would have needed a single index number in order to gather all records about me into one place. With today's excess computing power, there's no problem doing a kind of fuzzy fill algorithm -- find all my various numbers, record links between them and therefore equate them (MC 1234 5678 8765 1982) = (AMEX 9876 123655 83002) = (SS 788 84 2345) = Carl M. Ellison 2130 Mass Ave; Cambridge 02140 = (617) 876-6644 etc. To aid those who are computationally challenged, this entity could also create its own index number and let others refer to that -- even call it a national ID number. None of this requires a national ID card.

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