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Cypherpunks Bay Area Meeting, This Saturday October 11th, 12-5+
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What: Cypherpunks October 1997 Bay Area Meeting When: Saturday October 11, 12 noon till 17pm Where: PGP World Headquarters, 2nd floor meeting room Bayview Bank Building, just south of Hwy. 92 2121 S. El Camino Real, San Mateo California http://www.pgp.com/pgpcorp/contactpgp.cgi#head Agenda: 12-1 - Introductions, Work in Progress, Milling About International Law, Electronic Commerce, and Digital Signature, Cem Kaner Virtual Private Networks - Besides FreeSWAN, there's a lot of VPN and other tunneling work in the commercial sector. Besides privacy uses, it makes it easier to handle your Network 10 or Bogus IP Addresses over the Internet. Domain Name Security PGP5.5 - The Product. The politics. Patents - Merkle-Hellman and Hellman-Pohlig expire! Crypto Politics - what is Congress up to this month? Tentative November Agenda and Location: Eric Hughes has arranged with Lawrence Wilkinson, a principal at GBN <http://www.gbn.org>, to do a one afternoon scenario planning workshop on cryptography. Several other GBN people will also be in attendance. We are planning to hold it at the GBN offices in Emeryville, which can hold about 40 fairly easily. After: Eat dinner somewhere yet to be decided... PGP Building Access: This is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is free for anyone to attend. There is a minor building security formality due to the facilities being in a bank building: anytime after 12 noon, approach the Bayview Building's Information window (in the plaza, see below for directions), and ask the Guard on Duty to let you up to the 2nd Floor for the Cypherpunks meeting (use the passphrase "cypherpunks release code"). If you have any difficulty (eg. if the guard is on a break), simply call DDT at +1 415 730 3583 he I'll let you in. You can arrive at any time during the scheduled meeting hours, though earlier is better if you want to hear the interesting stuff. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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The original message was received at Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:00:38 -0600 (CST) from orenco23.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.99.23] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- <tcmay(a)got.net>... Deferred: Connection timed out during initial connection with mail.got.net. <sunder(a)brainlink.com>... Deferred: Connection refused by mh.brainlink.com. 550 <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk>... Host unknown (Name server: fatmans.demon.co.uk: no data known) <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>... Deferred: Connection refused by orion.sk.sympatico.ca. Reporting-MTA: dns; wombat.sk.sympatico.ca Received-From-MTA: DNS; orenco23.sk.sympatico.ca Arrival-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:00:38 -0600 (CST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; fatmans.demon.co.uk Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:07:10 -0600 (CST) To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: InfoWar 2000 / AOL Format From: The Last True CypherPunk <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:04:15 -0600 Organization: "It's a Multi-User Persona whose homepage is a Mirror site." Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Title: The True Story of the Internet Part II The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar 2000 Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing InfoWar Table of Contents InfoWar 2000 InfoWar 2000 "InfoWar is back!" Jonathan cried out, waking the other members of the Magic Circle instantly. They quickly rose and gathered around the GraphiScreen hovering over the old oak table. Subject: Re: [Pigdog] ViaCrypt slowly executes Timmy C. May From: Flesh <flesh(a)pigdog.org> To: pigdog-l(a)arlington.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Does the fireBot work well with the throwemupagainstthewallandaimfortheheadBot? Cowboy recognized the significance immediately. "A thousand Points of Presence." "UUNETWorldCom?" Alexis asked, surprised. Jonathan nodded, adding, "And they're moving faster and quieter than they did in history as we have known it, up to now." He began reading off the list he had compiled in just a short time, "Fiber, Digital Microwave, Satellite, Undersea Fiber Cable. Financial markets, telecommunications, construction, health care, and politics. "They seem to be putting all of the 'usual suspects' under one flag, around the globe." A Player To Be Named Later scanned the series of posts, for the thousandth time. "It's dejavu, all over again." he said, quoting a Yogi Berra malapropism. The feeling had been growing on him The feeling that somehow, everything was the same as beforeonly different. "The Lake of Life has started to turn over. The bottom is rising to the top, the top is descending to the bottom, and everything is becoming the opposite of what it seems to be." A Player To Be Named Later sat quietly, contemplating what it was that had changed, only somehow not changed, since the last time the lake had turned over on the CypherPunks mailing list. He thought about "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs." He began to see the parallel between the history of the creation of WebWorld and the creation of the CypherPunks distributed list. There was the subterfuge which had preceded both the Channel Revolution which foreshadowed WebWorld and the Censorship Crisis which had presaged the CypherPunks distributed mailing list. There were the climaxes that precipitated the structural changes in both cases, the satellite destruction in the one case, and the loss of toad.com as host to the mailing list in the other case. There were the parallels with outside attacks ceasing on both the CypherPunks distributed mailing lists and the variety of Channels on WebWorld, in an attempt to let the citizens/members bond with their new channels/lists. One parallel-or two, depending on how you looked at it-in particular, which stood out in the mind of A Player To Be Named Later. There were three CypherPunks distributed lists-at algebra.com, ssz.com, and at cyberpass.net. Likewise, there was a reference to the Money Channel Government in WebWorld having three channels under its control. Then, there was the strange, strange saga of three religious channels-the God Channel, the Dualist Channel, and the Trinity Channel-which had somehow merged, yet not merged, creating a problem which had left the 'powers that be' very, very nervous. "What the hell happened to Channel War I?" A Player To Be Named Later, asked himself, suddenly recognizing a glaring disparity between the parallels he was drawing between the history of WebWorld and the history of the CypherPunks list. "And what the hell happened to InfoWar?" he asked, turning to Baby, who stood up and barked her agreement that there was definitely something fishy going on that involved the two shadow wars that had somehow been misplaced in the annals of history-one in the future, and one in the past. In 'WebWorld', both the reference to the three Money Channel Governments and reference to the three spiritual channels which became one, yet didn't, revolved around the close of Channel War I. But there didn't seem to be a parallel to Channel War I in the Time-Line of the CypherPunks list. Likewise, 'WebWorld' began with a reference to an 'InfoWar Scrambler Mechanism' which seemed to indicate that 'InfoWar' would play a major part in the history of 'WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs.' Yet there were only a few later references in Part II of The True Story of the InterNet in regard to "the beginning stages of InfoWar," with no further details. A Player To Be Named Later strained to touch the wispy haze of memory which was rising somewhere in the back of his mind-a memory which whispered "InfoWar" from somewhere deep in the heart of the CypherPunks mailing list censorship crisis. "Toto!" he said, suddenly feeling a ferocious stinging sensation behind his right ear, which resulted in a loss of balance as he fell to the floor, and a loss of consciousness as the blackness closed in around him The tattered remnants of the Magic Circle of the future sat quietly around the antique oak table, anxious and depressed. "Why is the Trei Transponder receiving interference from Toto's digital implant?" Priscilla asked the group. "All of my monitoring tests show that the last adjustments we made to the Zooko Zamboni were up to Journeyman standards." "Perhaps it is a result of the differences in the winter climates between the Netherlands and Canada." Jonathan said. "It seems to me that the effects of Global Warming were just beginning to have undeniably noticeable effects in that particular epoch." The Cowboy got up and paced a bit, as the others realized he was working up the courage to say what they were all thinking. "Or.." he hesitated, then turned to face the others and continued, "perhaps the rebirth of InfoWar reflects that our efforts toward changing the past have not only been successful, but are now irrevocable." Jonathan pulled up a passage of 'WebWorld' onto the GraphiScreen, contemplating what he had originally perceived as the failure of InfoWar during the hotly contested battle which took place on the CypherPunks list during the censorship crisis. "January 19, 1997. "The beginning date of the 'moderation experiment' on the legendary CypherPunks mailing list. The beginning probe in preparation for the launching of InfoWar-an experiment which had failed miserably and had caused a delay in the plans of the Evil One. A delay caused by the damnable insolence of the terminal misfits among the CypherPunks. An insolence that was rumored to be fueled by the Circle of Eunuchs, fanning the 'flames' of dissent among the CypherPunks, helping them to resist the herding of their list members into the group-mindset desired by the Evil One." The other members of the Circle of Eunuchs sat still in their seats, not wanting to disturb the deep thoughts of Jonathan, who was indeed the Last True CypherPunk, having grown up at their feet, immersed in their logic and their lore, and whose whole life had been ruled by his connection to the infamous anarchists who had been, alternately, both the shining light of freedom and privacy in their era, and the treacherous instigators of Channel War II-the war which had led to the ultimate triumph of the Gomez and the Dark Allies and the conclusive ascent of the Dark Forces in their domination of WebWorld under the dictum of the Evil One. The room was quiet as Jonathan reluctantly pulled up the next passage of 'WebWorld' which had described his feelings when his bereft past had come back to haunt him. "Jonathan sat frozen in his seat, once again, his brain locked from the major dichotomies being produced as a result of his present-in which the CypherPunks were a villainous band of rogues who had instigated the launching of Channel War II-and his past, in which his grandfather had been exposed both as one of the major players in both the launching of Channel War II, and as traitorous scum who had sabotaged the goals of the CypherPunks in that same historical battle. "Jonathan's grandfather wasn't just a CypherPunk. He was the Fool." "We won" Jonathan's voice trailed off, before he rose from the table and repeated his statement, in anger. "We won, damn it! "I know we won. Grandfather knew we won the censorship battle. Everyone knew that we won the censorship battle. History itself knows that we wonwe" Jonathan stopped short, turning to stare at the others, who were staring back. "Jonathan" Bubba said softly. "History has changed." "I know that, damn it!" Jonathan resumed his pacing, knowing that he was missing something very, very important, but he couldn't for the life of him think what it might possibly be. The others in the room watched and waited, knowing that it was Jonathan, and Jonathan alone, whose heritage was intricately and irrevocably linked to the era in history which they had, for better or worse, interfered in through their use of the Trei Transponder. "Grandfather was a traitor to the CypherPunksa traitor to freedom and privacy. He sabotaged everything that the CypherPunks had fought so hard to defend, since the inception of their anarchist, cryptography mailing list. "But the CypherPunks loved us" Jonathan was lost in memories of a childhood in which he and his family had been forced to remain in constant motion, staying a half-step ahead of the Dark Allies, who had been hunting down the last remaining members of the CypherPunks-with a vengeance. His family had been soundly welcomed by the remaining CypherPunks, in their flight to freedom after his Grandfather's assassination. They had given the family food, clothing, shelter, and warned them when the Dark Allies were closing in, and it was once again time to flee. Duncan Frissell had even Perhaps they all had Jonathan sank to the floor, slowly, with Alexis leaping up and catching him softly. Cowboy helped her guide him toward the table and lower him into a chair. Jonathan slowly pulled off his shirt and stared at his tattoothe Mark of the Toad. "Duncan Frissell arrived at our last safe house, in the middle of the night." Jonathan spoke, finally understanding the real story behind his family's flight into obscurity. "He warned us to flee, but it was too latethe Dark Allies were close at hand." Jonathan's voice was full of amazement as he recounted an event which he had long known, but had never managed to fully understand. "Duncan held the Dark Allies at bay, while we made our escape. I can still hear his screams" Jonathan shuddered, then began shaking terribly. Alexis closed her arms around him, hugging him lightly. "Your Grandfather knew that the CypherPunks had lost the battle." Bubba picked up the thread. The other members of the Magic Circle looked on, mystified as to this strange turn of events which turned the whole history of the CypherPunks and the Circle of Eunuchs on hits head. "It wasn't a censorship battle." the Cowboy said, amazed as much by what he was saying as those listening to him were. "It was InfoWar!" "That's what happened to InfoWar." Alexis cried out, in disbelief of her own words. "It was over before it had begun." Bubba d'Shauneaux IV rose to his feet, and filled in the details of the battle as could only be done by one who had spent a lifetime of subterfuge playing a role which was the exact opposite of what it had seemed to be from surface appearances. "It was the first battle fought solely within the bounds of Virtual Reality." "It represented the true nadir point in history when the battle between the Forces of Light and the Forces of Darkness moved beyond the physical plane and into the minds of mankind." "InfoWar!" he roared, the word reverberated throughout the room, sending the Trei Transponder into a soft hum which grew louder and louder, with a pitch that went lower and lower until it became subsonic, unheard, but shaking the roomthe eartheven WebWorld itself... The Trei Transponder exploded with a mighty boom, shaking the room so violently that the tattered remnants of the Magic Circle were thrown from their chairs, and found themselves rising to see only ruins around them, where their safe house had once been. They immediately realized that they must flee at once, as those investigating the explosion would undoubtedly be the Dark Allies, fully aware that the event had rent WebWorld at the seams. Jonathan paused, weapon in hand, covering the retreat of d'Shauneaux, who had remained behind to remove the last traces of evidence that the Circle of Eunuchs had ever truly been there. As d'Shauneaux joined him, motioning for him to proceed, he took one last look at the shattered remains of the Trei Transponder. All contact with the CypherPunks of the past was now gone, with little hope of it being renewed. Silently, he sent a message to the CypherPunks of his youth-from the bottom of his soul and into the inestimable profundity of the Tao. It was a message that would be understood by those who had been at Woodstock-a physical gathering of a Magic Circle which had come into physical being through a random blessing of Time and Chance. "You're on you own, folksbecause we're sure on ours." Those who fail to learn from the future, are doomed to repeat it. "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite

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The original message was received at Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:34:24 +0500 from mail-relay.EU.net [134.222.91.10] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <fygrave(a)freenet.bishkek.su> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to freenet.bishkek.su.: >>> RCPT To:<fygrave(a)freenet.bishkek.su> <<< 550 <fygrave(a)freenet.bishkek.su>... User unknown 550 <fygrave(a)freenet.bishkek.su>... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; voland.freenet.bishkek.su Received-From-MTA: dns; mail-relay.EU.net Arrival-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:34:24 +0500 Final-Recipient: rfc822; fygrave(a)freenet.bishkek.su Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; freenet.bishkek.su Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 <fygrave(a)freenet.bishkek.su>... User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:34:53 +0500 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: InfoWar 2000 / AOL Format From: The Last True CypherPunk <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:04:15 -0600 Organization: "It's a Multi-User Persona whose homepage is a Mirror site." Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Title: The True Story of the Internet Part II The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar 2000 Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing InfoWar Table of Contents InfoWar 2000 InfoWar 2000 "InfoWar is back!" Jonathan cried out, waking the other members of the Magic Circle instantly. They quickly rose and gathered around the GraphiScreen hovering over the old oak table. Subject: Re: [Pigdog] ViaCrypt slowly executes Timmy C. May From: Flesh <flesh(a)pigdog.org> To: pigdog-l(a)arlington.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Does the fireBot work well with the throwemupagainstthewallandaimfortheheadBot? Cowboy recognized the significance immediately. "A thousand Points of Presence." "UUNETWorldCom?" Alexis asked, surprised. Jonathan nodded, adding, "And they're moving faster and quieter than they did in history as we have known it, up to now." He began reading off the list he had compiled in just a short time, "Fiber, Digital Microwave, Satellite, Undersea Fiber Cable. Financial markets, telecommunications, construction, health care, and politics. "They seem to be putting all of the 'usual suspects' under one flag, around the globe." A Player To Be Named Later scanned the series of posts, for the thousandth time. "It's dejavu, all over again." he said, quoting a Yogi Berra malapropism. The feeling had been growing on him The feeling that somehow, everything was the same as beforeonly different. "The Lake of Life has started to turn over. The bottom is rising to the top, the top is descending to the bottom, and everything is becoming the opposite of what it seems to be." A Player To Be Named Later sat quietly, contemplating what it was that had changed, only somehow not changed, since the last time the lake had turned over on the CypherPunks mailing list. He thought about "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs." He began to see the parallel between the history of the creation of WebWorld and the creation of the CypherPunks distributed list. There was the subterfuge which had preceded both the Channel Revolution which foreshadowed WebWorld and the Censorship Crisis which had presaged the CypherPunks distributed mailing list. There were the climaxes that precipitated the structural changes in both cases, the satellite destruction in the one case, and the loss of toad.com as host to the mailing list in the other case. There were the parallels with outside attacks ceasing on both the CypherPunks distributed mailing lists and the variety of Channels on WebWorld, in an attempt to let the citizens/members bond with their new channels/lists. One parallel-or two, depending on how you looked at it-in particular, which stood out in the mind of A Player To Be Named Later. There were three CypherPunks distributed lists-at algebra.com, ssz.com, and at cyberpass.net. Likewise, there was a reference to the Money Channel Government in WebWorld having three channels under its control. Then, there was the strange, strange saga of three religious channels-the God Channel, the Dualist Channel, and the Trinity Channel-which had somehow merged, yet not merged, creating a problem which had left the 'powers that be' very, very nervous. "What the hell happened to Channel War I?" A Player To Be Named Later, asked himself, suddenly recognizing a glaring disparity between the parallels he was drawing between the history of WebWorld and the history of the CypherPunks list. "And what the hell happened to InfoWar?" he asked, turning to Baby, who stood up and barked her agreement that there was definitely something fishy going on that involved the two shadow wars that had somehow been misplaced in the annals of history-one in the future, and one in the past. In 'WebWorld', both the reference to the three Money Channel Governments and reference to the three spiritual channels which became one, yet didn't, revolved around the close of Channel War I. But there didn't seem to be a parallel to Channel War I in the Time-Line of the CypherPunks list. Likewise, 'WebWorld' began with a reference to an 'InfoWar Scrambler Mechanism' which seemed to indicate that 'InfoWar' would play a major part in the history of 'WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs.' Yet there were only a few later references in Part II of The True Story of the InterNet in regard to "the beginning stages of InfoWar," with no further details. A Player To Be Named Later strained to touch the wispy haze of memory which was rising somewhere in the back of his mind-a memory which whispered "InfoWar" from somewhere deep in the heart of the CypherPunks mailing list censorship crisis. "Toto!" he said, suddenly feeling a ferocious stinging sensation behind his right ear, which resulted in a loss of balance as he fell to the floor, and a loss of consciousness as the blackness closed in around him The tattered remnants of the Magic Circle of the future sat quietly around the antique oak table, anxious and depressed. "Why is the Trei Transponder receiving interference from Toto's digital implant?" Priscilla asked the group. "All of my monitoring tests show that the last adjustments we made to the Zooko Zamboni were up to Journeyman standards." "Perhaps it is a result of the differences in the winter climates between the Netherlands and Canada." Jonathan said. "It seems to me that the effects of Global Warming were just beginning to have undeniably noticeable effects in that particular epoch." The Cowboy got up and paced a bit, as the others realized he was working up the courage to say what they were all thinking. "Or.." he hesitated, then turned to face the others and continued, "perhaps the rebirth of InfoWar reflects that our efforts toward changing the past have not only been successful, but are now irrevocable." Jonathan pulled up a passage of 'WebWorld' onto the GraphiScreen, contemplating what he had originally perceived as the failure of InfoWar during the hotly contested battle which took place on the CypherPunks list during the censorship crisis. "January 19, 1997. "The beginning date of the 'moderation experiment' on the legendary CypherPunks mailing list. The beginning probe in preparation for the launching of InfoWar-an experiment which had failed miserably and had caused a delay in the plans of the Evil One. A delay caused by the damnable insolence of the terminal misfits among the CypherPunks. An insolence that was rumored to be fueled by the Circle of Eunuchs, fanning the 'flames' of dissent among the CypherPunks, helping them to resist the herding of their list members into the group-mindset desired by the Evil One." The other members of the Circle of Eunuchs sat still in their seats, not wanting to disturb the deep thoughts of Jonathan, who was indeed the Last True CypherPunk, having grown up at their feet, immersed in their logic and their lore, and whose whole life had been ruled by his connection to the infamous anarchists who had been, alternately, both the shining light of freedom and privacy in their era, and the treacherous instigators of Channel War II-the war which had led to the ultimate triumph of the Gomez and the Dark Allies and the conclusive ascent of the Dark Forces in their domination of WebWorld under the dictum of the Evil One. The room was quiet as Jonathan reluctantly pulled up the next passage of 'WebWorld' which had described his feelings when his bereft past had come back to haunt him. "Jonathan sat frozen in his seat, once again, his brain locked from the major dichotomies being produced as a result of his present-in which the CypherPunks were a villainous band of rogues who had instigated the launching of Channel War II-and his past, in which his grandfather had been exposed both as one of the major players in both the launching of Channel War II, and as traitorous scum who had sabotaged the goals of the CypherPunks in that same historical battle. "Jonathan's grandfather wasn't just a CypherPunk. He was the Fool." "We won" Jonathan's voice trailed off, before he rose from the table and repeated his statement, in anger. "We won, damn it! "I know we won. Grandfather knew we won the censorship battle. Everyone knew that we won the censorship battle. History itself knows that we wonwe" Jonathan stopped short, turning to stare at the others, who were staring back. "Jonathan" Bubba said softly. "History has changed." "I know that, damn it!" Jonathan resumed his pacing, knowing that he was missing something very, very important, but he couldn't for the life of him think what it might possibly be. The others in the room watched and waited, knowing that it was Jonathan, and Jonathan alone, whose heritage was intricately and irrevocably linked to the era in history which they had, for better or worse, interfered in through their use of the Trei Transponder. "Grandfather was a traitor to the CypherPunksa traitor to freedom and privacy. He sabotaged everything that the CypherPunks had fought so hard to defend, since the inception of their anarchist, cryptography mailing list. "But the CypherPunks loved us" Jonathan was lost in memories of a childhood in which he and his family had been forced to remain in constant motion, staying a half-step ahead of the Dark Allies, who had been hunting down the last remaining members of the CypherPunks-with a vengeance. His family had been soundly welcomed by the remaining CypherPunks, in their flight to freedom after his Grandfather's assassination. They had given the family food, clothing, shelter, and warned them when the Dark Allies were closing in, and it was once again time to flee. Duncan Frissell had even Perhaps they all had Jonathan sank to the floor, slowly, with Alexis leaping up and catching him softly. Cowboy helped her guide him toward the table and lower him into a chair. Jonathan slowly pulled off his shirt and stared at his tattoothe Mark of the Toad. "Duncan Frissell arrived at our last safe house, in the middle of the night." Jonathan spoke, finally understanding the real story behind his family's flight into obscurity. "He warned us to flee, but it was too latethe Dark Allies were close at hand." Jonathan's voice was full of amazement as he recounted an event which he had long known, but had never managed to fully understand. "Duncan held the Dark Allies at bay, while we made our escape. I can still hear his screams" Jonathan shuddered, then began shaking terribly. Alexis closed her arms around him, hugging him lightly. "Your Grandfather knew that the CypherPunks had lost the battle." Bubba picked up the thread. The other members of the Magic Circle looked on, mystified as to this strange turn of events which turned the whole history of the CypherPunks and the Circle of Eunuchs on hits head. "It wasn't a censorship battle." the Cowboy said, amazed as much by what he was saying as those listening to him were. "It was InfoWar!" "That's what happened to InfoWar." Alexis cried out, in disbelief of her own words. "It was over before it had begun." Bubba d'Shauneaux IV rose to his feet, and filled in the details of the battle as could only be done by one who had spent a lifetime of subterfuge playing a role which was the exact opposite of what it had seemed to be from surface appearances. "It was the first battle fought solely within the bounds of Virtual Reality." "It represented the true nadir point in history when the battle between the Forces of Light and the Forces of Darkness moved beyond the physical plane and into the minds of mankind." "InfoWar!" he roared, the word reverberated throughout the room, sending the Trei Transponder into a soft hum which grew louder and louder, with a pitch that went lower and lower until it became subsonic, unheard, but shaking the roomthe eartheven WebWorld itself... The Trei Transponder exploded with a mighty boom, shaking the room so violently that the tattered remnants of the Magic Circle were thrown from their chairs, and found themselves rising to see only ruins around them, where their safe house had once been. They immediately realized that they must flee at once, as those investigating the explosion would undoubtedly be the Dark Allies, fully aware that the event had rent WebWorld at the seams. Jonathan paused, weapon in hand, covering the retreat of d'Shauneaux, who had remained behind to remove the last traces of evidence that the Circle of Eunuchs had ever truly been there. As d'Shauneaux joined him, motioning for him to proceed, he took one last look at the shattered remains of the Trei Transponder. All contact with the CypherPunks of the past was now gone, with little hope of it being renewed. Silently, he sent a message to the CypherPunks of his youth-from the bottom of his soul and into the inestimable profundity of the Tao. It was a message that would be understood by those who had been at Woodstock-a physical gathering of a Magic Circle which had come into physical being through a random blessing of Time and Chance. "You're on you own, folksbecause we're sure on ours." Those who fail to learn from the future, are doomed to repeat it. "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite

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What's really in PGP 5.5?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jon Callas wrote: >I have a number of comments about the New York Times article on PGP >5.5 for Business of which Martin Minow sent a synopsis. >If we had built what they said we had, then we'd deserve of all the >derision people have directed at us. But we didn't. The New York >Times got it flat wrong. In your long message I was unable to locate an area in which the New York Times "got it flat wrong". If anything, your post was more alarming than the newspaper article. >This downside is particularly insidious for a number of >reasons. First, without fixing that problem, strong cryptography will >be in some sort of limbo. You want to use it to protect your valuable >information, but you won't want to use it for any information that's >*too* valuable, because it's easily lost. Crypto-protected >information is fragile, and this fragility could hurt its widespread >deployment. What you call "fragility" is properly called "security". Would you describe 128-bit keys as more "fragile" than 40-bit keys? Why is PGP, Inc. inventing propaganda terms for the authorities? >Data recovery is useful for a number of things. Perhaps you lost your >passphrase. Or data might have been encrypted by an employee or co >worker who was in an accident. (As an aside, fifteen years ago, the >architect of a product I worked on was in a severe car wreck. He was >not killed, but suffered brain damage and has never returned to >work.) Your spouse might need access to financial records. Everyone, >be they an individual, business, or coporation has a right to having >their data protected, and protection not only means being able to put >it into a safe, but getting it out of that safe later. It is fascinating to me that every example you use does not involve decrypting transmitted messages. Yet, that is the feature which is under discussion. The demand for the ability to decrypt encrypted messages in the corporate environment can easily be measured with this test: how many companies have a policy that requires employees to record all outgoing mail? >(6) It must also provide a response to those who would regulate >crypto in the name of public safety. This is a red herring. Nobody has been talking about regulating cryptography as a matter of public safety in a serious way. Why is PGP, Inc. posing non-threats to justify its actions? Probably because its actual, all too obvious, motivations are unpalatable to the cypherpunks and probably to most of its customers and supporters. They are not unpalatable to Big Brother, however. I suggest that in the future we do not meet at the PGP, Inc. headquarters and that we do not treat this company as a trustworthy ally. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDsgSpaWtjSmRH/5AQG/pwf+LBO0ynwGeLLJipuWTIfoE9n7xvBJeXD4 od4Q7NYMZl/UfbudynBHMKGI0/xrhVhC1lmJlXXu+/mbBK2K1H0X9EMILQqpxhM4 RJd5ndR1BI0dpoRZX4+6PRq2mRi3lspvvXp3UkL4bKR8MpCqVJNcpluunMtBgIzh WoxXjw2GzVnbPiWoHhS/TIdQNSvubBCYBsje5rOKc71yQj86ymUzKLovX6O7j/dD eIjlJZTuP+AemEyG6FD5dyXQV7qdcxKwDG9G4ka813NHl88LU0Nc1JcM4aPATgfh 4cZhgppUvZqSGwd0QpxYb/OduE/adCuqmyrubMumc3SqTKRjPdLyBA== =f9J+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: FCPUNX:CDT complains to my editors after post to cypherpunks
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:34 AM 9/26/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > The larger issue is that the CDT/VTW "players" are showing their > willingness to trade away the civil liberties of us all for a few minor > tidbits thrown (they think) to corporate sponsors. CDT may not necessarily be pursuing the interests of its corporate sponsors. Legislation in congress, any legislation, the worse the better, will promote corporate donations to CDT. This does not meen that the corps want legislation. Indeed, this is a chronic problem with such mundane non civil liberties lobbies as the milk lobby. Big business sends their lobbyists to Washington, where they are corrupted by contact with politicians. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: What's really in PGP 5.5?
by Jim Russell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The swirl of controversy that has arisen since the 2 Oct announcement of the PGP Business Security Suite has been quite amazing. Yet, all of the focus has been on what's been *added* to PGP v5.5. Jon Callas said it explicitly: >>Corporate Message Recovery is included *only* in PGP for Business Security. What sense, then, can I make of the following? I have been examining the published source code for PGP v5.0 for Personal Privacy (note that this is *not* a corporate version), and have discovered that this recovery scheme already appears to be in place, in some form at least, in that version. The following code appears in the published pgp.c, lines 518-537: /* * This is our version of "Commercial Key Escrow". * * A company can set the CompanyKey in the site-wide * configuration file and it will be added to the * recipient list for all encrypted messages. Then * again, the user can override the setting in their * own pgp.cfg or on the command line. */ companyKey = pgpenvGetString (env, PGPENV_COMPANYKEY, NULL, NULL); if (companyKey && *companyKey) { /* Add the company key to the recipient list */ e = ringSetFilterSpec (ui_arg->arg.ringset, ringset, companyKey, PGP_PKUSE_ENCRYPT); if (e <= 0) exitUsage(e); } This certainly *looks* like the implementation that is being discussed in the press release, although I did not find it mentioned in any documentation for PGP for Personal Privacy v5.0. The questions this code brings to my mind are: 1. Does this mean that even the Personal Privacy versions of PGP have a message recovery scheme available? The 2 Oct press release from PGP states that the corporate message recovery "transparently integrates with *any* version of PGP client software". (Emphasis mine). 2. If this is implemented via a configuration setting, does it provide an opportunity for an attacker to reset the "CompanyKey" to their own key? In the Windows environment, it appears that PGP uses the System Registry to hold configuration settings. Is it possible for me to trick someone into running a .REG script that will set the CompanyKey to a key to which I hold the private component? 3. This appears to me to be quite contradictory to the descriptions posted by Jon Callas on 7 Oct. The procedure that Jon describes, using an attribute in the self-signature, would tell an encryptor external to The Corporation to use the "skeleton key" on INCOMING mail. The 5.0 code seems to imply an automatic extra recipient on OUTGOING mail, and this impression is reinforced by the description of the SMTP server policy enforcement in the 2 Oct product description on PGP's web site. (Let's not forget that SMTP is a protocol for OUTGOING mail.) Which is it, or is it actually both? Now, I realize that the long-time PGP users, the computer experts who can take the source code and recompile the application, could simply remove any sections they don't like, or go into the configuration settings and change everything to their liking. However, isn't encryption supposed to be moving to a new target audience, the people who use a computer as a tool, and don't necessarily know the internals? These are the people who need to feel secure using encryption, and magic, invisible encryption to a third-party is probably not going to give them warm fuzzy feelings. Jim Russell <jrussell(a)syndata.com> Senior Engineer SynData Technologies, Inc. http://www.syndata.com

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Starting now, online town hall meeting with Rep. Dreier at www.democracy.net
by shabbir＠democracy.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In just a few minutes, we'll be starting the online town hall meeting with Rep. David Dreier (R-CA). Dreier is a key member of Congress for the net community: he's on the Rules committee, which has the fate of SAFE in its hands. He's also been a leader in integrating Congressional committees and the net. Check it out http://www.democracy.net/ -Shabbir

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Re: Internet Via Electric Lines
by Ian Sparkes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 12:06 08.10.97 -6, Peter Trei wrote: >> Ian Sparkes <ian.sparkes(a)t-online.de> > >> Peter wrote: >> >[...] Putting a few optical >> >fibers into a power line is cheap, easy, and widely done. >> >> But much cheaper and easier is using the signalling gulleys that run >> along the side of the railways - no High Tension precautions, no >> scaling pylons. This, incidently is the reason that a number of >> telecomms consortia (in europe, at least) include a railway element - >> they provide the long-haul backbone. > >It looks like we're seeing different parts of the problem. You're >worried about the long-haul backbone. I'm trying to see ways to >get a 10Gbps fibre into my living room. > >The backbone cost is a tiny fraction of the cost of getting fiber >into every house in the country. > Maybe in retrospect I was just tugging your leash a bit, for which I apologise. I agree, in principle there are few entities which are more aptly placed than the power utilities to provide a roots to leaves high- capacity network into your home. Telephone companies could do it, although the very final stage in the link (twisted copper) is a capacitive load, and therefore not very well suited to high frequencies. Power wires, on the other hand, would exhibit better properties and are universally installed. The solution, however, must be a fibre/copper hybrid. The trick will be getting the bridges between fibre/copper and copper/copper (across the step-downs) cheap and reliable enough. This is probably the breakthrough. The post from Judith Lewis seems to hint at about 0.5MB/s. Good enough for your average Joe. Sorry for the obtuseness of my reply. Ian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDu6gvzOjjBJiFUeEQIewACdGPe87UKBq7aGRkFew/02fHNBwh0AnAqN eidJ2PV2IVO05Gg+ZSXD9NRI =RxdS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Need Info
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sampler-request(a)lmboyd.com wrote: > ====================================================== > Q. Can you confirm the claim that a ferocious bull won't > attack a naked human being? > A. Hard to find an authority on this. Those who know > won't explain the circumtances wherein they found out. > Such has been reported, though. snow? Zooko? Anyone...? > LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email > http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

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Thanks Peter! / Re: russia_1.html
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei wrote: > I conceed that it may not be the Pu decay products that cause the > limited shelf life of thermonuclear weapons; I suspect that it may > be components of the 'pit', which produces the initial burst of > neutrons to kick of the reaction (the pit is effectively a small > fission bomb). This 'pit' may contain tritium (pit design is a very > well guarded secret, and I've seen very little about it in the open > literature). Peter, I lost your email address when I spilled Scotch on my computer and lost all my data, so I thought I'd send this to the CypherPunks list. Thanks for explaining to me how to decide where the 'yellow' wire goes. My 'you know what' ought to work now (but I'm not going to try it at home, kids...heh...heh). I'm going to go to Washington as soon as I get my cast off. I left in on an extra week since I make more money spare-changing since I got it, and now I have enough to take a bus to 'you know where,' DC. Tell Declan that he should probably go visit his mom, or something, like next Friday, until at least Monday (because that's when my mom leaves Washington, 'you know where.'--{boy, is *she* going to be sorry she grounded me on my uncle's weekend away from the 'Home'.}) My uncle's going to be mad when he finds out I took his suitcase, but he couldn't even get his Heathkit radio to work, and I *almost* did. Besides, you should never trust anyone over fifteen, eh? (And these things are dangerous in the wrong hands, eh?) Human Gus-Peter p.s. - Cynthia still hasn't answered me as whether or not she is wearing any panties. Is she stuck-up, or something? p.p.s. - I wonder if Dimitri thinks its suspicious that your first name is the same as my last one. Of course, if he thought we were doing what John-John do, then ? the Playpus would call you a pedal-file, eh? (Unless you were doing it to a girl my age, and then he would call you a 'petal-file.') {<-- that's a sexist joke}

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