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New Website: Bruce Schneier, Applied Cryptography, Blowfish,Counterpane
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally have a Website: http://www.counterpane.com On the site I have information on Applied Cryptography, Blowfish, Counterpane Systems consulting, and more. The site has the latest errata, information on ordering the book and source code disks, and the final copy of "Why Cryptography is Harder Than it Looks." If you have a website that mentions Bruce Schneier, Applied Cryptography, Blowfish, or Counterpane Systems, please point to my website. If you sell or give away a product that uses Blowfish, please let me know so that I can point to it. If you are running an ftp server that has the Blowfish code available, please tell me so that I can send people to you. Thanks, Bruce ************************************************************************** * Bruce Schneier For information on APPLIED CRYPTOGRAPHY * Counterpane Systems 2nd EDITION (15% discount and errata), * schneier(a)counterpane.com Counterpane Systems's consulting services, * http://www.counterpane.com/ or the Blowfish algorithm, see my website. **************************************************************************

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[noise] Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:16 AM 11/14/96 -0800, Richard Charles Graves wrote: >hyperlex(a)hol.gr ("George A. Stathis") wrote: >> >>>> Mr. Gilmore, and other like minded parties, might want to consider >>>> what would happen if one parent company owned *all* communications >>>> media. Would they they be so supportive of the ideology of ownership >>>> and communciation they espouse? >>> >>>And just how plausible do you think this is? I believe it is next to >>>impossible, unless it is the result of government regulation. >> >>Man you're nutts. There are very few and quite vast Media Companies >>in the world, and they're on the verge of becoming monopolies. >> >>Even your American President is in reality a puppet of the Trilateral >>Commission, who effectively also control CNN, the Washington Post, >>and many many many other things all over the world. > >You're so naive. The Trilateral Commission is just a puppet of General >Electric, the British Royal Family, the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign >Relations, the Elders of Zion, the Knights Templar, the Military- >Industrial Complex, the Communists, the Secret Government, Dead White >Males, the Freemasons, the CIA, Scientology, and my Aunt Marge. Big deal, the General Electric, the British Royal Family, the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Elders of Zion, the Knights Templar, the Military-Industrial Complex, the Communists, the Secret Government, Dead White Males, the Freemasons, the CIA, and Scientology are all controlled by Greys. Your Aunt Marge, however, is controlled by the lizard people,(or the giant preying mantises, whichever came in on the last grey shuttle.) By the way, they also control, AT&T, MCI, Sprint, FedEx, the U.S. Postal Service, McDonalds, and the professors at Stanford. Now you know why they all act like aliens. P.S. If you are a professor, don't come by my house, I've got a captured alien energy weapon, actually I think it's a wound cautizer of some type, but it makes a good weapon.

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Cryptoanarchy in the field
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:44 AM 11/13/1996, Adam Back wrote: >>What we need is an experiment. Let's pick a country with a near >>police state and design a system so that people in that country >>can freely and securely communicate with each other and the outside >>world with minimal chance of arrest. Once the system is available, >>we can see if it succeeds in the field. I'll leave others to >>suggest the target. > >I would suggest starting with remailers, rather than interactive >traffic such as web traffic would be the easier target. Might even >present a positive spin in the press for anonymity and remailers for a >change. Positive publicity? How about Iraq? What kind of computer equipment does the Army have? What happens when the Iraqi Army suddenly becomes able to conspire? What if they were provided only with authentication of anonymous identities. How much could they do with "underground newspapers" that traveled on sneaker net? >So what good stego techniques are there for text. Do singaporeans use >a non ascii character set? (As the Chinese use things like Big5 >encoding). Anyone know of any features of the character set that >Singaporeans use which could be used for a subliminal channel? How many people in Singapore speak English? >Sure, if you keep cypherpunks list going even after crypto discussions >have been outlawed, you can keep discussions, and then the ammount of >ecash usage, and bandwidth may be more condusive to working out >anonymous payment systems. Pornography is a powerful motivator that need not involve money. The CIA used to trade porn for secrets during the Cold War. It seems low ranking Russian officers used it to reward obedient young soldiers who were not allowed to leave custody during their first two years of service.

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Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Dave Hayes wrote: > > Igor "Gadzooks" Chudov writes: > > > Dave Hayes wrote: > > > > You won't do this, because I won't let you on the list. I, unlike you > > > > or Mr. Gilmore, have the judgement on whom to invite to my list. > > > So what's the difference between yours and gilmore's position? > > Simple. I choose whom to invite to my parties. Gilmore provides an > > open door. > Providing an open door does not mean that it is always open to everyone, > Dave. It only means that it is open to all by default, but that policy > can be reversed for certain individuals. That is not to say that I agree > with Gilmore's the decision to kick Vulis out from cypherpunks, but John's > decision was neither dishonorable nor he was acting outside his powers, > in my opinion. Technically, John Gilmore did nothing, since Vulis continues to read and post. Symbolically, he punched holes in his ideology. That's my opinion. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet You need not wonder whether you should have a reliable person as a friend. An unreliable person is nobody's friend.

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infowar Digest for 14 Nov 1996
by list 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

infowar Digest for 14 Nov 1996 Topics covered in this issue include: 1: Flight Information Resource by Betty(a)infowar.com 2: Flight Information Resource by Betty(a)infowar.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Message:0001 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: infowar(a)infowar.com From: "Betty G. O'Hearn" <betty(a)infowar.com> Subject: Infowar Thursday November 14 1996 Volume 01: Number 03 We thank our sponsors: Internet Security Solutions New Dimensions International - Security Training Secure Computing Corporation HOMECOM Communications National Computer Security Association OPEN SOURCE SOLUTIONS, Inc. __________________________________________________ Infowar(a)infowar.com is brought to you in the the interest of an open,= unclassified exchange of information and ideas as a means for advancement= of Information Warfare related issues. Topics of discussion for this list= include: Infowar, Electronic Civil Defense, Hacking, Defensive Techniques,= Policy, Non-Lethals, Psyops, Chemical Warfare Agents and WMD.=20 As the list expands we will adapt to the needs and desires of our= subscribers.=20 __________________________________________________________ To: Infowar(a)infowar.com From: winn(a)infowar.com Subject: MCTL Process Infowar.com is proud to have been given permission to publish the=20 latest Military Critical Technologies List - Part I: Weapons Systems=20 Technologies.=20 THE MCTL Process is the systemic ongoing assessment and analyses of= technologies to determine which technologies are Militarily Critical and= therefore should have additional controlsplaced on them or made subject to= export control.=20 This document is the first of three parts. Part two: Weapons of Mass=20 Production and Part three: Critical Developing Technologies are in= development=20 and will be published when completed and made available to us. Don't miss= =20 reading this! Download Acrobat as the file is in .pdf format. (acrobat= readers are free) This file will be posted the week of November 17 1996. ------------------------------------------------------------ To: Betty(a)infowar.com From: "Eric L. Nelson, M.A." <enelson(a)nosc.mil> Subject: G-TWO RECRUITMENT FORM Sender: owner-g-two(a)majordomo.netcom.com Please use this ammended form to inform your DOD intel and CI colleagues about g-two. Please discard previous editions. Thanks, EL Nelson moderator Get The Word Out (G-TWO) is designed to provide direct assistance=20 to DOD intelligence and counterintelligence teams by providing=20 open-source intelligence and news summaries pertinent to DOD=20 interests. Topics include: Political: Politics of intelligence. Political history of hotspots/groups/personalities. Information: WWW locations of intelligence usefulness with brief summaries. Lists, databases, and archives accessible via the internet. Resource sharing. NBC-M (nuclear, biological, chemical & medical): Biochem threat analysis/events (outbreaks). Medical technology and issues related to DOD missions/personnel. Tracking the development of NBC capabilities by country/group. Terrorism: Threat/threat mindsets/tactical intent. Issues related to security and threat issues. International Crime. New developments in terrorism. New technology/weapons systems with CT application. Info. on capability of Special Teams/personnel. Military/Intel Agencies: Force protection. OPSEC. Military plans/policies. =20 Reports on terrorism/counter-terrorism activities. Data on military forces and capabilities (order of battle). Analysis: More analysis by SME's (subject matter experts). Emerging threat analysis. EOD/chemical analysis. Group profies (themes, objectives, etc.) Who are these people? Cultural profiles and key info/customs to know. Technology & Industrial: Hacking/Infowar. Technology/precursor tracking, what is being procured by others. Industrial/technical intelligence on foreign countries-=20 what are they doing? Other: Central/South American, and Caribbean information. =20 Psychological profiles/cultural profiles of groups/personalities. Deception. Stateless Warfare Issues (gangs, 4th generation warfare). State department info. =20 Washington Early Bird news summaries. =20 World hot spot info. Information warfare. Daily news articles on terrorism and related issues State Department country studies State Department terrorist groups/personalities files Emergency News Network (ENN) updates Intelligent Concepts Daily News Summaries Special support tasking News flashes More to be added soon! MEMBERSHIP: Limited to DOD intelligence and counterintelligence personnel, (active, reserve, or retired). Non-DOD intel/CI applicants may request a waiver by demonstrating a need for=20 inclusion, (such as law enforcement intelligence, FBI, etc.) To apply for membership answer the following questions and email to Eric Nelson at: =20 enelson(a)rohan.sdsu.edu <send the following> NAME/RANK: MILITARY UNIT/ORG: JOB TITLE: EMAIL ADDRESS: REG/RES/RET? NAME OF PERSON WHO REFERRED YOU (MANDATORY): <clip here and send> ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Robert A. Walton" <waltonr(a)meade-emh2.army.mil>=20 Subject: DC Area Infowar Event Cc: "Betty G. O'Hearn" <betty(a)infowar.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:04:22 +0000 You may wish to post the following notice. The Maryland chapter of Armed Forces Communications and Electronics=20 Association will have a luncheon meeting at the Fort Meade Officer's Club=20 on Tuesday, 19 November. The lunch is at 11:45, the program follows at=20 12:30. The speaker is Brigadier General Jaeger. The topic is=20 "Information Warfare Exercise Lessons Learned." The cost is $10.00 for the luncheon if you register today or Friday, or=20 $12.00 at the door Tuesday. If you are interested in going, please call=20 Vicki Neuman at 301-317-9474 to make a reservation. Thanks Bob Walton ------------------------------------------------------------ To: infowar(a)infowar.com From: aludwig(a)pacbell.net Subject: Legal aspects of information warfare My name is Aaron Ludwig and I am a third year law student at Whittier Law=20 School. I am currently writing a law review article about the legal=20 aspects of information warfare. If anyone has any insight or helpful=20 information regarding this topic please contact me at=20 aaronludwig(a)juno.com or simply reply to this mail. The following are=20 just a few of the questions I hope to analyze and answer: If the U.S. sustains an information-based attack, does this warrant an=20 armed response?(i.e., what constitutes an attack?) What laws are involved in carrying out or defending against information=20 attacks? What laws are involved in the detection of enemy information=20 warriors? Last, but not least, I wonder whether anyone can tell me how to get a=20 hold of the proceedings of any of the information warfare conferences. =20 Keep in mind that I am a highly-leveraged (broke) law student. Thank you. Aaron ------------------------------------------------------------ To: Infowar(a)infowar.com From: Betty(a)infowar.com Subject: Defense Science Board Task Force Defense Science Board Task Force on Information Warfare-Defense=20 (IW-D), will be issuing a report in the next few days. Federal Computer= Week=20 has an interesting article stating that the report called the threat of an= IW=20 attack "significant," adding that the nation's "vulnerabilities are= numerous,=20 [and] the countermeasures are extremely limited...." You can read the= article at=20 http://www.fcw.com/pubs/fcw/1111/duck.htm. We will be publishing the= report=20 as it is made available to us. ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 1996 20:13:20 CST Subject: Flight Information Resource Sender: owner-g-two(a)majordomo.netcom.com ENN Info Update 11/11/96 - 20:00CST New Information Resource Assists in Tracking Domestic Flights (ENN) A free service called "Flight Trax" is now available on the World-Wide-Web. This new information resource allows one to track the progress of any domestic airflight within the contigious 48 states. Call up: http://www.amerwxcncpt.com/ with your favorite internet browser. The program will ask you for the flight number, the airline, and= the destination airport (using the FAA designated three-letter code). The= program will then show you the kind of aricraft used, its flight's path, its location on that path (accurate to within two or three minutes), and its expected time of arrival at its destination. It will not tell you why it may have been delayed. The information is provided by Flyte-Comm of Ft. Lauderdale, FL, which uses data from the FAA to produce the flight estimates. Might be prove useful while waiting for Grandma's flight to come in from Des Moines, or a variety of other uses. Courtesy of: EmergencyNet News Service Emergency Response & Research Institute 6348 N. Milwaukee Ave., #312 Chicago, IL. 60646 (773) 631-3774 - Voice (773) 631-4703 - Fax (773) 631-3467 - Modem/Emergency BBS On-Line http://www.emergency.com - Website enn(a)emergency.com - E-mail ------------------------------------------------------------ END Infowar Thursday November 14 1996 Volume 01: Number 03 DIRECT REQUESTS to: list(a)infowar.com with one-line in the BODY, NOT in the subject line. Subscribe infowar TO JOIN GROUP Unsubscribe infowar TO LEAVE GROUP Help infowar TO RECEIVE HELP=20 TO POST A MESSAGE: E-Mail to infowar(a)infowar.com =20 _____________________________________________________ Infowar.Com Interpact, Inc. Winn Schwartau winn(a)infowar.com http://www.infowar.com 813-393-6600 Voice 813-393-6361 FAX Sponsor Opportunities/Comments/Help Betty G. O'Hearn Assistant to Winn Schwartau http://www.infowar.com betty(a)infowar.com 813-367-7277 Voice 813-363-7277 FAX -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 Message:0002 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: infowar(a)infowar.com From: "Betty G. O'Hearn" <betty(a)infowar.com> Subject: Infowar Thursday November 14 1996 Volume 01: Number 03 We thank our sponsors: Internet Security Solutions New Dimensions International - Security Training Secure Computing Corporation HOMECOM Communications National Computer Security Association OPEN SOURCE SOLUTIONS, Inc. __________________________________________________ Infowar(a)infowar.com is brought to you in the the interest of an open, unclassified exchange of information and ideas as a means for advancement of Information Warfare related issues. Topics of discussion for this list include: Infowar, Electronic Civil Defense, Hacking, Defensive Techniques, Policy, Non-Lethals, Psyops, Chemical Warfare Agents and WMD. As the list expands we will adapt to the needs and desires of our subscribers. __________________________________________________________ To: Infowar(a)infowar.com From: winn(a)infowar.com Subject: MCTL Process Infowar.com is proud to have been given permission to publish the latest Military Critical Technologies List - Part I: Weapons Systems Technologies. THE MCTL Process is the systemic ongoing assessment and analyses of technologies to determine which technologies are Militarily Critical and therefore should have additional controlsplaced on them or made subject to export control. This document is the first of three parts. Part two: Weapons of Mass Production and Part three: Critical Developing Technologies are in development and will be published when completed and made available to us. Don't miss reading this! Download Acrobat as the file is in .pdf format. (acrobat readers are free) This file will be posted the week of November 17 1996. ------------------------------------------------------------ To: Betty(a)infowar.com From: "Eric L. Nelson, M.A." <enelson(a)nosc.mil> Subject: G-TWO RECRUITMENT FORM Sender: owner-g-two(a)majordomo.netcom.com Please use this ammended form to inform your DOD intel and CI colleagues about g-two. Please discard previous editions. Thanks, EL Nelson moderator Get The Word Out (G-TWO) is designed to provide direct assistance to DOD intelligence and counterintelligence teams by providing open-source intelligence and news summaries pertinent to DOD interests. Topics include: Political: Politics of intelligence. Political history of hotspots/groups/personalities. Information: WWW locations of intelligence usefulness with brief summaries. Lists, databases, and archives accessible via the internet. Resource sharing. NBC-M (nuclear, biological, chemical & medical): Biochem threat analysis/events (outbreaks). Medical technology and issues related to DOD missions/personnel. Tracking the development of NBC capabilities by country/group. Terrorism: Threat/threat mindsets/tactical intent. Issues related to security and threat issues. International Crime. New developments in terrorism. New technology/weapons systems with CT application. Info. on capability of Special Teams/personnel. Military/Intel Agencies: Force protection. OPSEC. Military plans/policies. Reports on terrorism/counter-terrorism activities. Data on military forces and capabilities (order of battle). Analysis: More analysis by SME's (subject matter experts). Emerging threat analysis. EOD/chemical analysis. Group profies (themes, objectives, etc.) Who are these people? Cultural profiles and key info/customs to know. Technology & Industrial: Hacking/Infowar. Technology/precursor tracking, what is being procured by others. Industrial/technical intelligence on foreign countries- what are they doing? Other: Central/South American, and Caribbean information. Psychological profiles/cultural profiles of groups/personalities. Deception. Stateless Warfare Issues (gangs, 4th generation warfare). State department info. Washington Early Bird news summaries. World hot spot info. Information warfare. Daily news articles on terrorism and related issues State Department country studies State Department terrorist groups/personalities files Emergency News Network (ENN) updates Intelligent Concepts Daily News Summaries Special support tasking News flashes More to be added soon! MEMBERSHIP: Limited to DOD intelligence and counterintelligence personnel, (active, reserve, or retired). Non-DOD intel/CI applicants may request a waiver by demonstrating a need for inclusion, (such as law enforcement intelligence, FBI, etc.) To apply for membership answer the following questions and email to Eric Nelson at: enelson(a)rohan.sdsu.edu <send the following> NAME/RANK: MILITARY UNIT/ORG: JOB TITLE: EMAIL ADDRESS: REG/RES/RET? NAME OF PERSON WHO REFERRED YOU (MANDATORY): <clip here and send> ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Robert A. Walton" <waltonr(a)meade-emh2.army.mil> Subject: DC Area Infowar Event Cc: "Betty G. O'Hearn" <betty(a)infowar.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:04:22 +0000 You may wish to post the following notice. The Maryland chapter of Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association will have a luncheon meeting at the Fort Meade Officer's Club on Tuesday, 19 November. The lunch is at 11:45, the program follows at 12:30. The speaker is Brigadier General Jaeger. The topic is "Information Warfare Exercise Lessons Learned." The cost is $10.00 for the luncheon if you register today or Friday, or $12.00 at the door Tuesday. If you are interested in going, please call Vicki Neuman at 301-317-9474 to make a reservation. Thanks Bob Walton ------------------------------------------------------------ To: infowar(a)infowar.com From: aludwig(a)pacbell.net Subject: Legal aspects of information warfare My name is Aaron Ludwig and I am a third year law student at Whittier Law School. I am currently writing a law review article about the legal aspects of information warfare. If anyone has any insight or helpful information regarding this topic please contact me at aaronludwig(a)juno.com or simply reply to this mail. The following are just a few of the questions I hope to analyze and answer: If the U.S. sustains an information-based attack, does this warrant an armed response?(i.e., what constitutes an attack?) What laws are involved in carrying out or defending against information attacks? What laws are involved in the detection of enemy information warriors? Last, but not least, I wonder whether anyone can tell me how to get a hold of the proceedings of any of the information warfare conferences. Keep in mind that I am a highly-leveraged (broke) law student. Thank you. Aaron ------------------------------------------------------------ To: Infowar(a)infowar.com From: Betty(a)infowar.com Subject: Defense Science Board Task Force Defense Science Board Task Force on Information Warfare-Defense (IW-D), will be issuing a report in the next few days. Federal Computer Week has an interesting article stating that the report called the threat of an IW attack "significant," adding that the nation's "vulnerabilities are numerous, [and] the countermeasures are extremely limited...." You can read the article at http://www.fcw.com/pubs/fcw/1111/duck.htm. We will be publishing the report as it is made available to us. ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 1996 20:13:20 CST Subject: Flight Information Resource Sender: owner-g-two(a)majordomo.netcom.com ENN Info Update 11/11/96 - 20:00CST New Information Resource Assists in Tracking Domestic Flights (ENN) A free service called "Flight Trax" is now available on the World-Wide-Web. This new information resource allows one to track the progress of any domestic airflight within the contigious 48 states. Call up: http://www.amerwxcncpt.com/ with your favorite internet browser. The program will ask you for the flight number, the airline, and the destination airport (using the FAA designated three-letter code). The program will then show you the kind of aricraft used, its flight's path, its location on that path (accurate to within two or three minutes), and its expected time of arrival at its destination. It will not tell you why it may have been delayed. The information is provided by Flyte-Comm of Ft. Lauderdale, FL, which uses data from the FAA to produce the flight estimates. Might be prove useful while waiting for Grandma's flight to come in from Des Moines, or a variety of other uses. Courtesy of: EmergencyNet News Service Emergency Response & Research Institute 6348 N. Milwaukee Ave., #312 Chicago, IL. 60646 (773) 631-3774 - Voice (773) 631-4703 - Fax (773) 631-3467 - Modem/Emergency BBS On-Line http://www.emergency.com - Website enn(a)emergency.com - E-mail ------------------------------------------------------------ END Infowar Thursday November 14 1996 Volume 01: Number 03 DIRECT REQUESTS to: list(a)infowar.com with one-line in the BODY, NOT in the subject line. Subscribe infowar TO JOIN GROUP Unsubscribe infowar TO LEAVE GROUP Help infowar TO RECEIVE HELP TO POST A MESSAGE: E-Mail to infowar(a)infowar.com _____________________________________________________ Infowar.Com Interpact, Inc. 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Re: Secrecy: My life as a nym. (Was: nym blown?)
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:22 PM 11/13/96 GMT, Adam Back wrote: ... >Nym sues nym. I think not. An alternate view of slander law suits is >as a way to encourage the use of Nyms. Certainly the dissenters of >the unnamed pseudo religious have learnt the value of nyms, remailers >and so forth. There are distinct advantages to nyms. ... They learned the value all right. Right up to the time that one of the founding remailers disclosed thier return addresses to save the rest of the hard drive. There are definate advantages to TRULY anonymous remailers too. Ones where the return address is not stored. For mailing lists and newsgroups, where you are going to get conformation on your post when its relayed to you, why do you need the return address anyway? Someone inside the group uses a remailer, just post your comments to the list, that person will most likely see it there. I assume that these already exist somewhere.

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Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
by George A. Stathis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:22 ìì 14/11/1996 -0600, snow wrote: > Intelligence + money + time * will = Result > Some + 0 + a bit * some = A server with 4 or 5 mailing lists. Indeed! But I tend to use them for A.I. Research, and there is little left of 'em for them mailing listes ya knaw! :-) :-) > For every "tentacle" of the Vast Media Conglomerates, there is >some loose nut with a photocopier (or access to Kinko's). Thank Goddess! :-) >> Even your American President is in reality a puppet of the Trilateral >> Commission, who effectively also control CNN, the Washington Post, >> and many many many other things all over the world. > > WHO is nuts? The American and European public, i.e. _we_ who trust those people! :-) >> P.S. Even if you offered me a million dollars I'd stay away from >> your country. My sanity is much more valuable. :-) >> (The Immigration Authorities in the U.S. have missed the point: >> We DON'T want to come to you guys. It's the last thing we'd want!) > > One of these days reality is going to hit you like a runaway >freight train. You mean my check for $ 1.000.000 is... coming? :-) Cheers George P.S. The reasons I'd decline the check are simply the difficulties in having to (1) hide from your authorities as an 'illegal immigrant', (2) having to work for someone else as opposed to myself (as I do over here) andf (3) having to hire a psychiatrist sooner or later! All this maan, is more costly than $ 1.000.000. And... yes, I _am_ nutts! (Aren't we all? ;-) )

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Re: Well-regulated
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >>Cypherpunks does not seem to me to be anything like the well- >>regulated lists you ascribe to Prof Volokh. >> > >Declan should rest his point here. the cpunk list is notorious >for being way astray. yet cpunks continuously argue against >anyone with a moderator type role. could there be some correlation >between lack of moderation/leadership on the list and the >piles of noise that people incessantly complain about? of >course I'm insane for suggesting this. Vlad, "Well-regulated" means different things to different mind-sets. As do "leadership," "moderator" and "anarchy." All can be fulfilled in diametrically opposite ways: benevolent suppression of assent to attain uninspired unanimity or pissed respect for your opponents skill at insulting you and your ideas, sexual preferences, hair style, even, ahem, code and writing abilities. What you call "way astray" about cypherpunks I would call "healthy waywardness of stray cats." I say, let the wild cats grow and wail backalley of the spiffy facades and green lawns; let them disturb sly cultivators of the currently fashionable, marketable career-boosting management of the Internet herd. That's my critique of the 1st Amend mongers (spit): too narrow- minded about freedom of speech, they always give themselves away by fanaticism about proper grammar and spelling and behavior, well, you know, demanding polymorphous heathens do it like missionaries who think tongues are only for talking. Heed the complicity of God and Mammon, one person's butthole is another person's way to heaven on earth. As missionaries admit about the joys of exotic lands and stray cat codes and wailing discourse. The Occident is a prig, and overly addicted to a tight-laced definitions of propriety, heirarchy and rank. That's "well-regulated" at its worst and meanest and murderous and censorious.

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Why I shall never undescribe
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Bovine Remailer <haystack(a)cow.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > >Foulmouthed Timothy May rehashes his lies like a rabid parrot >choking on a stale mantra stuck in its poisonous beak. Where else today can one find such prose? Nay poetry! And they say poetry is dead!

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Re: PGP3.0 & ElGamal
by Bert-Jaap Koops 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > I know 3.0 uses discrete log cryptography but whether it will be > El Gamal or DH or other I don`t know. I would imagine in the end it > would come down to a question of what is unpatented first and I have > no idea on the patent date for El Gamal (is it even patented?) but DH > hasn`t long to go.... According to Schneier, ElGamal isn't patented, but claimed to be covered by the Diffie-Hellman patent, which expires 29 April 1997. Bert-Jaap

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