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Re: Netscape to copyright URLs?
by harveyrj＠vt.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:39 AM 8/20/95 -0400, Lucky Green wrote: >Today's surf of Netscape's home page yielded an interesting question. Is >Netscape trying to licence links to their products? To me >http://home.netscape.com/comprod/mirror/netscape_now_program.html seems to >suggest tha you can only display certain logos and info if you are >licensed by Netscape. You could for example not put up a link to their >"Download Netscape NOW" page without prior approval by Netscape. > >This seems to be a new development on the web. Since when does one need a >license to include certain URLs in one's home page? > >Comments? > My reading of that page suggests a somewhat different motive and interpretation: what they seem to be doing is copying the Microsoft approach with respect to setting criteria that must be met before you can use their logo on your page/product. It doesn't prohibit putting links to their download page; it just prohibits using their "Netscape Now!" logo without their permission. Note the criteria for being allowed to use their logo: you have to design your server to break with the current "standards" (e.g., CGI) and embrace Netscape's extensions (e.g., backgrounds; client pull/server push, SSL encrypted transactions), which they would like to foist on us as the new "standard." Essentially, they want us to help them create the perception that if you don't show the "Netscape Now!" flag (didn't Nixon have a similar slogan?) on your page, that you're just not a high- quality operation. Or maybe they're trying to change the subject from the unfortunate publicity from the success of SSL Challenge... rj ------------------------------------------------------------ R. J. Harvey email: harveyrj(a)vt.edu WWW for job analysis/personality: http://harvey.psyc.vt.edu/ PGP key at http://harvey.psyc.vt.edu/RJsPGPkey.txt

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Re: NSA into antigravity?
by Andrew.Spring＠ping.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: >> >>On July 19, Gerald Ollman and Robert Wayne, two researchers from the >>University of Maryland geophysics department were detained in Fort Meade, >>Maryland, apparently by agents of the National Security Agency, whilst >>taking measurements of the Earth's gravitational field. After 18 hours of >>questioning, they were released after being instructed not to discuss the >>incident. Their equipment and results were not returned. >> >>Neither the University nor the NSA has commented on the incident. However, >>it is believed that Ollman and Wayne were investigating a slight anomaly >>in the Earth's gravitational field centered around Fort Meade. No reason has >>been given for their detention. Missile targeting software depends on good models of the earth's gravity for accuracy, both for design and for simulation purposes. Since Ft. Meade was doubtless the target of many nukes during the cold war (and probably still is), that may account for them having a bug up their asses on the subject. 'Course you know the NSA; the world's largest employer of mathematicians, the largest purchaser of computer hardware, and the largest consumer of Thorazine. -- Thank you VERY much! You'll be getting a Handsome Simulfax Copy of your OWN words in the mail soon (and My Reply). <Andrew.Spring(a)ping.be> PGP Print: 0529 C9AF 613E 9E49 378E 54CD E232 DF96 Thank you for question, exit left to Funway.

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Re: MSN hackers heaven (fwd)
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The bottom line: Users of MSN are placing themselves at significant risk. >If one must use MSN, avoid at all cost activating (double-clicking) objects >in e-mail messages and BBS posts. Sophisticated users may think they know >what they are doing, but it probably won't be long before they are outwitted >by someone who figures out how to totally disguise an object's true purpose. It it just Microsoft's way of guaranteeing "good times" for all. ];> (Its a cheap shot, but someone has to take it.) | What mime type is Marcell Marceu? | alano(a)teleport.com | |"Would you rather be tortured by the government | Disclaimer: | |forces or the people's liberation army?" -mklprc | Ignore the man | | -- PGP 2.6.2 key available on request -- | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano | <fnord> |

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A glance at the future of missing child identification
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We all read the stories. "Infant stolen from crib in Hospital", "Thousands of children abducted every year". Many parents would jump at the anything that might increase the chance of recovering their children should they be abducted. Just take a look at lines during "Child Fingerprint Days" at you local mall. The solution? Transponder implants at birth. Modern transponders can be injected into an infant where they grow into the tissue, unable to be removed without major surgery. If schools make implants a requirenment, such as vaccinations are today, children can be routinely scanned when entering kindergarden. Later in life, the same transponders can be used to verify legal age for obtaining a driver license or purchasing alcohol. The transpoders also provide ID for the ATMs and credit card termials of the future. No criminal can loot your account. You can leave the ATM card at home. How convenient! How do you prevent the dead from voting? Simple. One transponder, one vote. Even better, childmolesters, individuals out on bail or parole, and other "security risks" can be similarily tagged to prevent escape from US jurisdiction. A combination metal detector/scanner for airport and border use is just one of the obvious ideas to increase the value of this technology. For an example of such a transponder see http://www.dfw.net/~tqg/eid/tx1400l.html I predict that you will see the first such implants in children within five years. An enterprising Cypherpunk who has become disillusiond that the statists can be stopped could make a fortune by offering a "Children's Safety Identification Service." Any idea if offering such a service would require an M.D. or only a R.N.? Perhaps even a cosmetology licesnse would suffice, since "body piercers" do similar insertions every day. - -- - -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMDeIayoZzwIn1bdtAQFo3QGAzU13qIy4qIeKQ7F13JtmnRE4Oo4AsXpt RktLZfE/8K8EauRuisl/MxU23oMkTgD0 =Vm+o -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: NSA into antigravity?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(No, I see no relevance for "coding in C," but even critics of "off-topic" posts have commented on this, so I will too, especially as how physics was my old career and in 1974 I interviewed with a Santa Barbara company doing ICBM geogravitic trajectory work.) At 5:50 PM 8/20/95, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >I can see why the folks at Ft. Meade would be hinkie about such >measurements being made around them. No need to hypothisize >micro-singularities or anti-gravity experiments. Occam's Razor >in action. I can't. At least not with regard to microgravity measurements. If you mean missile trajectory stuff, this is extremely implausible. A missile targetted at Fort Meade is not going to be deflected by more than a few centimeters (if that much) by nearby variations...the missile is moving very fast and there's little "integration time" for slight errors in trajectory to build up. (Also, but related to this, the closing trajectory is near vertical, so it's doubly hard to imagine local g-field anomalies affecting the point of impact.) As to what the folks were doing with their equipment, I have no idea. Maybe measuring water tables in and around the Chesapeake Bay (only a few miles from the Fort). The NSA people probably were upset with the equipment itself, not the idea that Meade was being more precisely targetted for ICBMs. --Tim May ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net (Got net?) | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: A glance at the future of missing child identification
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

These transponders are already used for many year. They inject them in pigs and cows to identify them. And some car manufacturers put the into the ignition keys as theft protections. Technology is not new. Perhaps it is already used for criminals? Somewhere I heard that in America criminals are sentenced to stay at home because the jails are overfilled. A sender is attached to their leg and the police is informed if he leaves his home. Perhaps a drug dealer may be more usefull if he moves free and has a transponder inside which he doesn't know about, that having him in jail. Here in Germany most department stores have big antennas at the doors which are normally used to detect thefts. Perhaps these antennas also recognize certain people. You can be sure even criminals go to department stores, undergrounds, or bus stations. Some hidden antennas and it's easy to be on their track. But it might be difficult to hide them on x-ray images... Brrr, disgusting idea... :-{ Hadmut

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Re: e$: The Book-Entry/Certificate Distinction
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:01 PM 8/22/95, Robert Hettinga wrote: >Obviously, we aren't talking about the end of bookeeping as we know it >(BAWKI? ;-), but it does mean that days of book-entry as a means of social >control are numbered. A good essay. Too long for me to quote and discuss, though. I worry about our--or at least my, speaking for myself--terminology. Consider these variations on the same theme: cash <--> immediate clearing <--> tokens <--> certificates vs. checks <--> delayed clearing <--> account-based systems (I'm using "<-->" as my own symbol to mean "related to.") Chaum has been harping on this exact distinction in public talks. I at first thought he was beating a dead horse, but I now see that most people just don't get it. (I don't mean people on our list, I mean journalists and writers about "digital money.") Marvin Minsky once said the history of AI is the history of grad students and researchers giving new names to old ideas. (Ironically, Minsky did this in spades when he took the ideas of "object-oriented programming" and invented the term "frame-based systems" to cover the same ground!) One hope I have for the "class library" approach, whether implemented in C++, Java, Smalltalk, etc., is that these terms and concepts will be reified in code, with browsable definitions and examples. The "financial instruments" people have been working on this "ontology of money" for a long time. I have long been surprised that the crypto and financial communities have little overlap. No, I don't mean you folks are not bridging both worlds. And I don't mean the banking and finance industry is not working on incorporating more crypto. I mean that the "Crypto" conferences have very little stuff being published on finance and money, save for the Chaum stuff. The interesting stuff for me lies in the intersection of: Crypto + Game Theory + Economics --Tim May ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Netscape to copyright URLs?
by monty.harder＠famend.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

RJ> Essentially, they want us to help them create the perception RJ> that if you don't show the "Netscape Now!" flag (didn't Nixon have RJ> a similar slogan?) on your page, that you're just not a high- RJ> quality operation. Or maybe they're trying to change the subject Let's just create our own flag, and use it instead, then. * If we had ham, * We could have ham and eggs, * If we had eggs. --- * Monster(a)FAmend.Com *

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Re: A glance at the future of missing child identification
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <9508202052.AA23832(a)elysion.iaks.ira.uka.de>, danisch(a)ira.uka.de (Hadmut Danisch) wrote: >These transponders are already used for many year. They inject >them in pigs and cows to identify them. And some car manufacturers >put the into the ignition keys as theft protections. Sure, the technology is nothing new. Still, it deserves our attention. > >Technology is not new. Perhaps it is already used for criminals? >Somewhere I heard that in America criminals are sentenced to stay >at home because the jails are overfilled. A sender is attached to >their leg and the police is informed if he leaves his home. Yes, this is being done. The programs are expected to be extended, because housing an inmate is expensive. >But it might be difficult to hide them on x-ray images... No need to hide them if they are implated voluntary with the first polio shot or required for ex-cons. BTW, is there a futures market that allows you to bet real money? - -- - -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMDfjCCoZzwIn1bdtAQH7HQGAlqdM9rArQZdn2mYTrOPUHKMQoHPv9sL7 +dwxxBPXSNr0Zr/vdrT/vabc8fHJQSlC =jraT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: RealAudio website temporary password
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199508210449.VAA20788(a)www.realaudio.com>, welcome(a)realaudio.com (RealAudio Welcome Wagon) wrote: >This is an automatic response to your request for a free user account >on the RealAudio site. Welcome to the world of RealAudio. > >The following temporary password will only be used once, >in order to activate the username and password you >selected for yourself during signup. >To activate your account, please visit our Account Activation page >at http://www.RealAudio.com/welcome.html >and enter the temporary password in the proper blank. > >The user name you selected is: > >cypherpu The password has been changed to "cypherpunks" - -- - -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMDgVmCoZzwIn1bdtAQF6IwF+INj+evDl7CrkIKHTpozs+8yMixV9fEh4 FvaTNdx/Jl/kWoyrjFTk+oYm85DmVv91 =xB75 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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