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17 Dec '03

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Returned mail: Remote protocol error
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 <eawassermn(a)aol.com>... Remote protocol error ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by bayonet.sjmercury.com; id AA03901; Thu, 28 Aug 97 20:34:03 PDT Received: from mailspool.sjmercury.com(192.30.148.20) by bayonet.sjmercury.com via smap (3.2) id xma003851; Thu, 28 Aug 97 20:33:38 -0700 Received: from bayonet.sjmercury.com by sjmercury.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA08381; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:34:13 -0700 Received: by bayonet.sjmercury.com; id AA03843; Thu, 28 Aug 97 20:33:32 PDT Received: from wombat.sk.sympatico.ca(142.165.5.136) by bayonet.sjmercury.com via smap (3.2) id xma003833; Thu, 28 Aug 97 20:33:23 -0700 Received: from default (orenco33.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.99.33]) by wombat.sk.sympatico.ca with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA28468; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:34:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3406440E.724F(a)toad.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:37:50 -0600 From: Cypherpunks Mailing List <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Cindy Cohn <Cindy(a)mcglashan.com> Cc: sadams(a)forbes.com, telstar(a)wired.com, plotnikoff(a)aol.com, Ewasserman(a)sjmercury.com, dang(a)cnet.com, steven(a)echo.net, abate(a)ccnet.com, wendyg(a)cix.compulink.co.uk, amy(a)netcom.com, courtm(a)cnet.com, alan.boyle(a)MSNBC.COM, declan(a)well.com, sep(a)cbsnews.com, kenc(a)cwi.emap.com, arb(a)well.com, exp(a)mk.ibek.com, bransten(a)interactive.wsj.com, TomBemis(a)pacbell.net, sam.perry(a)reuters.com, jimevans(a)aol.com, ljflynn(a)aol.com, wendyl(a)ljx.com, bernstein-announce(a)toad.com Subject: Sit, Bubu. Sit! / Re: Stay issued; modified stay to follow References: <199708290123.SAA24903(a)gw.quake.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cindy Cohn wrote: > > During a conference call with counsel today, Judge Patel issued a stay of > the injunctive relief issued in her Opinion of August 25, 1997, effective > until September 8. Why are these dinosaurs fucking away perfectly good taxpayer's money trying to shore up the walls of a crumbling civilization? NEWS FLASH!!! THE GENIE *WON'T* GO BACK IN THE BOTTLE --------------------------------------- Before the ink had dried on Judge Patel's ruling, 2,000,000 emails of Professor Bernstein's work were on their way overseas, to every port of call. (Courtesy of Email Blaster, that wonderful progam that tells us, fifty times a day, how to "MAKE MONEY FA$T!!!") > On September 8 (or sooner if we get the papers to her) the Court she will > issue a formal Stay Pending Appeal which will stay the injunctive relief > issued in her Opinion of August 25, 1997, except that an injunction shall be > reinstated to prevent the prosecution of Professor Bernstein for the > "unlicensed export" of Snuffle 5.0 (which includes Snuffle and Unsnuffle) > and any later versions of that program which he has developed. Hell, Professor Bernstein can _import_ it now! By September 8, the program will be obsolete, having been tweaked upward a few generations by Iraquian programmers. I respectfully requested that the Iraquis make any future versions of the program available to American youth who have to flee to Hitler's homeland with their website in order to avoid being persecuted for their sexual predeliction. {See - http://www.guidemag.com/newsslant/vigilante-censors.html } > This eliminates, at least for the meantime, the injunctive relief granted to > Bernstein as to any other computer programs which he may have developed or > otherwise wished to publish. It also eliminates the protections for persons > other than Professor Bernstein. No it doesn't. Haven't you heard of strong crypto? Thank you for pointing out that Phil Zimmerman wishes to protect me, and Judge Patel wishes, on behalf of the government, to "eliminate the protections" which strong encryptions affords me. The governement can't even protect themself, let alone the citizens, as evidenced by the fact that the current sport of teenage hackers across the nation is to send strong encryption overseas by way of the government's email systems. (Can you say FBI? Sure you can! Can you say IRS? Sure you can!) Yet these dweebs want to destroy an industry that *is* capable of providing the citizens protection? (Considering the INSLAW affair, perhaps it would be more fitting to say "destroy _another_ industry.") > The government has said that it may still challenge this more limited stay > in the 9th Circuit. Professor Bernstein may also seek relief from the stay > from the 9th Circuit. I hope these idiots are having fun and making lots of money playing their dinosaur games, because they are certainly accomplishing the opposite of what they claim to be trying to do. The most that the dinosaurs in D.C. can manage to do, is to drag all of the American business interests down into the ashes of history with them as they attempt to build an Electromagnetic Curtain behind which to imprison their citizens. Well, the CypherPunks were digging tunnels before the government even knew they were predestined to build the Wall, so the fascist censors are sucking hind-tit and will, in all likelihood, continue to do so. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TruthMonger, CoE <tm(a)dev.null> Official Spokesperson for: Cypherpunks Cult of One, DoWell, Saskatchewan Division "Give me bandwidth, or give me death." -Admiral B. d'Shauneaux "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld

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Tim coins another phrase? / Re: Suing gun makers?
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > If they won, then the courthouse in which this happened should be McVeighed. Kind of has a 'ring' to it...or is that a 'boom?'

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The World's Fastest Crypto Teacher
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Sweden's Social Democrats Sterilize the Inferior
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > >From: David Boaz <dboaz(a)cato.org> > > >Subject: Social Democrats Sterilize the Inferior > > >By JIM HEINTZ > > >.c The Associated Press > > > >The program stemmed from the pursuit of eugenics, a once-popular movement to > > >improve humanity by controlling genetic factors in reproduction. > > AB wrote: > >The problem is that from a purely scientific evolutionary point of > >view, the human race is surely regressing, the masses of negative > >evolutionary pressures are certainly pushing this way. > It seems to me that today's society, like Nazi society, is heavily > involved in influencing the evolutionary direction of "humanity by > controlling genetic factors in reproduction." > However, as Adam points out, society currently weights it's > eugenics program in favor of those whose survival and/or level of > subsistence is based on the incomes earned by other people who are > more fitted for survival. This is no more an 'accident' than the Nazi program of purification was an 'accident.' We are increasingly seeing that there are huge profits to be made from the various crises that continually arise. The movers and shakers saw this a long time ago. That is why we *have* all of these crises. > AB wrote: > >The real problem is that the pervasive bleeding heart > >socialist/communist welfare system mentality will ensure that you'll > >never manage it. > > That, indeed, is half of the problem. The other side of the coin > is that the capitalist/fascist earned income and/or welfare system is > now just as dependent on maintaining the status-quo. As is the law > enforcement/judicial/prison system of justice. Fucking eh! There's more people in the country plotting to make a government office stink than there are plotting to nuke D.C., so you've got to prioritize to keep the greatest number of people working. The more people do something, then the more money you make when you criminalize it. This is why wise-guys always joke about a law against breathing--they *know* it's coming. > The problem with lunatic sites is that too many of them are not > afraid to supply facts and references from established, reliable > sources, including government documents, while the corresponding > government-backed versions of events involve "magic bullet"'s and > John Does who appear and disappear like the Cheshire cat, at the > government's convenience. Mainstream media: "The hostages were released on Reagan's inauguration day, and Reagan's underlings shipped illegal weapons to the hostage takers. NO CONNECTION. "The CIA brought a shitload of Nazi scientists and intelligence agents into their fold immediately after World War II, and most of the directors of the CIA have families who made fortunes doing business with the Nazis during the war. NO CONNECTION. "George Bush has been an innocent bystander at the scene of every political crime in the last two decades. NO CONNECTION. "John F. Kennedy threatened to dismember the CIA, and died. Robert Kennedy wanted to expose the connection between the CIA and the Mob, and died. Every president since J.F.K. has had close connections to the CIA. NO CONNECTION." "The only drug dealer dangerous enough to make it essential that we invade a foreign country and slaughter their people in order to bring him to justice, was the leader of a friendly nation who worked closely with George Bush when the CIA was involved in the drug trade. NO CONNECTION." > The problem with reading both the mainstream ~and~ the lunatic > news sites is that a very disturbing picture develops. > Every evil that has ever been done under the sun (or the moon, for > that matter) is still being done, but under the "right" name, using > the "right" terminology, and for the "right" reasons. (The chief > justification always seems to lie in a variation of 'renaming' the > 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse.) The mainstream media is loved by the sheeple for the very reason that the public *does* know what is going on, and they want the press to perform the traditional function of the high-priest in absolving them of guilt. The press knows this. The government press experts know this. They all dance to the same tune, and everyone goes away happy. There was a PBS show on Waco on last night. It showed the tanks firing into the buildings and setting them on fire, and the govt negotiator/press-agent saying, "David, don't *do* this to these people." Right Dave, tell the tanks to stop firing. Dave, tell the 800 government agents to go home. Dave, tell the BATF to go raid a Baptist church where the members have more firearms than your 'cult' ever dreamed of owning. An interesting part of the PBS show was the FBI Director (?) and a few others doing everything but screaming, "Janet Reno is a lying fucking cunt!" ("It *was not* government instigated murder, but if it *was*, then it would be the fault of A/B/C, not ME.") Yes, and even though the police had often been called to break up violent domestic disputes between O.J. and his wife, he was not a suspect in her murder when the policement climbed over his fence to be his best friend in the whole world and hold his hand through his time of trouble. Yes, and if it had been some penniless crack-head, instead of O.J., the police still would have asked him if he would drop around for questioning "at your convenience, sir." So General Noriega's former best friend, during the days of the CIA drug running operations, was replaced as President by a Govenor of a state that served as a CIA drug running center during his tenure in office. So everyone connected to a variety of criminal actions involving the Whitehouse, the CIA and the Justice Department seems to die a bizarre or unexplained death. So the country is now run by unelected groups appointed by the President, and by special laws and regulations which come into being through the signature of only the President, and no other. How about them "Bears", eh? Think they'll win the pennant? The Republicans let us have a draft-dodging, dope-smoking adulterer for a President because they have him in their hip-pocket and wanted a Democrat in office, for appearances sake, when they passed the line-item veto, giving the President even more partisian power than has already been usurped for the office. Try to act surprised when our next President is a Republican. Try to act surprised when he announces the New World Order is *here*. {Of course, there is always the possibility that the media won't carry the announcement of Martial Law being declared. They may not have room to fit it in between Nancy Lopez's winning putt in the Swedish Open and the picture of the firefighter saving the cute cat.} How about them "Bears", eh? BearMonger

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Novadigm patents diff(1) and rdist(1).
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:06:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: qnx.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Subject: Novadigm patents diff(1) and rdist(1). Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:02:11 -0400 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/2159 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev(a)bostic.com> Forwarded-by: Sean Eric Fagan <sef(a)Kithrup.COM> Novadigm sues Marimba and threatens W3C. http://www.novadigm.com/aB5.htm About The Patent Novadigm's Patent (Number 5,581,764) "Distributed Computer Network Including Hierarchical Resource Information Structure and Related Method of Distributing Resources" describes the processes needed to generate from a common reference model a unique content configuration for each target end user, and to "difference" the "desired state" configuration with the actual-state of the target, yielding highly granular and very specific updates to distributed content automatically. The patent covers two central areas: Desired state configuration-processes which incorporate essential elements of both "push" and "pull" distribution models. By generating from common reference model a unique user configuration which describes the specific software or content a target user should have, producers can automatically 'push' content to specific servers, desktops, or users; or groups of users. In addition, the 'pull' process provides a means for users to control when the flow of information takes place, what information is delivered, and where it is stored. Fractional Differencing-processes for comparing and contrasting the desired state configuration identifying what components a target should have with the resources it actually has, resulting in a concise and highly detailed difference configuration describing what components are needed-or should by removed-to ensure the targeted user is properly configured with a minimum of network traffic. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Fade to Black... The Sequel
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ILoveAHappyEndindMonger wrote: > John Smith wrote: > > A Japanese man holes up in his house and shoots at those who try to > > take him away. A Caucasian man outside shoots back, fearing that the > > Japanese is a spy, whose information will lead to Japanese victory in > > the war. Both men are shooting, both fear for their lives. And in > > each case, the fear could arguably be justified, based on the > > information available to each man at the time. > A black man holes up in his car, shooting at a white cop wearing the > same uniform as the guy who shoved a toilet plunger up his ass the > day before. > The cop shoots back, fearing that the black man is a drug dealer who > will molest his children, plant a bomb on an airplane, and evade > taxes. > Both men are shooting, both fear for their lives, and both hate > what the other man represents in their mind and life experience > and would like to see him dead. > > The Jap picks them both off, from a rooftop, and lives happily > ever after. A black cop with a toilet plunger up his ass shoots himself. ILoveAHappyEndingTooMonger

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Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults)
by John Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

stonedog: >You >pick up the shotgun you keep in the closet by the front door and say, "If >I have commited a crime, then arrest me. Otherwise, get off of my >property." The LEA's reply, "You just made a big mistake, bud." Twenty >minutes later they return with a fifty agents with automatic rifles and >orders to shoot to kill the "spy". > >Of course, if he just "went along quietly", he would have spent a few >years rotting in an "internment camp" while his business failed or he lost >his job to someone fortunate enough to have immigrated from Italy or >Germany instead of Japan. That's better than endangering the lives or >yourself and your family, right? Good description of the problem. Nicely drawn. >You might feel that the example that you responded to was a bit too >simplistically polemic, but I think for many people, especially those in >this forum, your hypothetical situation is not at all an ethical dilemma. The real ethical dilemma was with the principle that you are ethically justified in shooting if you think your life is threatened. I chose this example as one in which both sides feel that way. There are many other cases I could have chosen. Between the two examples given earlier, the armed prowler and the rude jerk in the next car, there are a whole range of difficult cases. In the case at hand, you seem to be saying that it is unwise for the Japanese man to shoot, especially if he has family. But is it wrong? Suppose he has no family, and he chooses to shoot, then gets killed himself for his troubles. Can you say who is at fault? There is something wrong with an ethical system which says both sides were justified in shooting. Yet both sides feared for their lives, and that was what was suggested as a justification. Keep in mind too that we should try not to rely too much on hindsight. Camps like Manzanar were relatively benign. But instead of a Japanese American, consider a Jew in Poland. He's in the same situation. Hindsight tells us that maybe he'd do better to drive off the cops and then try to escape before they come back. Few Jews anticipated that the internment they were sent to was going to be any worse than how it turned out for the Japanese Americans. So if you want to say that the Japanese was not justified in shooting because the camps were likely to be safe, the same would apply to the Jew. "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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