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Re: WARNING: sting via remailer!
by nelson＠crynwr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[ I see that the original has been forwarded to cypherpunks, so I'll also send my response there. -russ ] Boffo writes: > I was in the federal building coffee shop in Reston, Va. yesterday > when I overheard a conversation between what appeared to be two FBI agents > discussing a sting operation involving Mixmaster. Hearing the word > "mixmaster" naturally caused my ears to perk up and I listened further. > > It appears that the FBI has coerced a mixmaster remailer operator > into cooperating with them in a sting operation to catch remailers when > they forward email pertaining to pornography, pedophilia, and copy-written > software. Uh-oh! I'd better shut down my remailer, but fast, based on an unsubstantiated rumor. Especially one that makes little sense. Why do you need a sting? All you have to do is use a single remailer, and send the mail from yourself, to yourself. You know the source, destination, and who handled it. IF a court can be convinced that forwarding email containing illegal materials is the same as asking to receive email containing illegal materials, then ALL of our butts are toast. > My questions are a) is it possible to perform this type of > monitoring on a mixmaster remailer and, b) what is the identity of the > cooperating remailer operator? > > This concerns me greatly as I use remailers to privatize my > important email regularly and I don't want my identity or my email > compromised because of a "spook in cypherpunks clothing". You fool. If you use remailers regularly, then YOU ARE KNOWN TO THE SPOOKS. Face facts. We know that the FBI spends a minimum of $10,000,000 each year (count the wiretaps, multiply by agents and do the math) just for telephone wiretaps. Computer wiretaps are a LOT CHEAPER. -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Flushing, NY. Not just a suburb, Potsdam, NY 13676 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | it's a good idea in general.

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[Mix-L] WARNING: sting via remailer! (fwd)
by Bryan Strawser 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From owner-mix-l(a)alpha.jpunix.com Tue Dec 5 09:03:10 1995 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:55:21 -0600 (CST) > Message-Id: <199512051355.HAA12202(a)alpha.jpunix.com> > To: mix-l(a)vishnu.alias.net, remailer-operators(a)c2.org, > mail2news(a)utopia.hacktic.nl > Newsgroups: alt.privacy, alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.security > From: "Mr. Boffo" <mixmaster(a)vishnu.alias.net> > X-Comment1: This message did not originate from the > X-Comment2: above address. It was automatically remailed > X-Comment3: by an anonymous mail service. Please report > X-Comment4: problems or inappropriate use to > X-Comment5: <complaints(a)vishnu.alias.net> > Subject: [Mix-L] WARNING: sting via remailer! > Sender: owner-mix-l(a)jpunix.com > Precedence: bulk > > I was in the federal building coffee shop in Reston, Va. yesterday > when I overheard a conversation between what appeared to be two FBI agents > discussing a sting operation involving Mixmaster. Hearing the word > "mixmaster" naturally caused my ears to perk up and I listened further. > > It appears that the FBI has coerced a mixmaster remailer operator > into cooperating with them in a sting operation to catch remailers when > they forward email pertaining to pornography, pedophilia, and copy-written > software. > > My questions are a) is it possible to perform this type of > monitoring on a mixmaster remailer and, b) what is the identity of the > cooperating remailer operator? > > This concerns me greatly as I use remailers to privatize my > important email regularly and I don't want my identity or my email > compromised because of a "spook in cypherpunks clothing". > -- Bryan Strawser, Indiana University, Bloomington, USA Remember Waco bstrawse(a)indiana.edu http://copper.ucs.indiana.edu/~bstrawse

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Re: another fbi prosecution
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:30 AM 12/5/95 -0500, you wrote: > sophomore Dominick LaScala was charged last week in federal court with two > counts of computer fraud. I thought fraud was obtaining something of value by false pretenses or uttering a false document or something. Doesn't sound like fraud to me. DCF

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Re: Crypto Exports, Europe, and Conspiracy Theories
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:58 PM 1/25/96 -0500, Michael Froomkin wrote: >It's called "strict liability" -- you are liable when you didn't know. >The economic justification is that you were in the best position to avoid >the harm (either by doing some checking, or, in this case (they, not I, >would say) not offering the service at all. Vague memories of Law School... Doesn't strict liability apply to "inherently dangerous activities." Like using explosives to demolish buildings or something. Is carrying message traffic an inherently dangerous activity? Any strict liability situations today not involving inherently dangerous activity? I suppose having disposed of waste in a "Superfund Site" leads to automatic liability but does not necessarily involve an inherently dangerous activity. Is this a "strict liability" situation? I'm trying to think of other sorts of examples. DCF "If we're so poor these days, why do we have more of everything?"

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Re: PGP in Eudora and other mail programs
by tallpaul＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Jan 25, 1996 11:54:46, 'tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May)' wrote: > >(I understand from this list that Eudora for Windows is now doing this much >more automatically, that someone has a PGP-in-Eudora package. I don't think >it was from Qualcomm, but I could be wrong. As a Macintosh version user, >I'm hoping this comes to the Mac version as well.) > [REPOSTED FROM ALT.PRIVACY.ANON-SERVER] > >John Doe is a Windows program that makes creating and >operating a Nymserver account a *lot* easier > >A Nymserver allows you to: > >* Create an address of the form your-choice(a)alpha.c2.org >* Cannot easily be traced back to you >* Your Internet Service provider cannot snoop on you >* Can post to Usenet and Mailing Lists >* Your correspondents do not need to do anything special >* Can receive replies addressed to your pseudonym > >These facilities have been available for some time but >John Doe simplifies operation. > >This is a "try before you buy" version expiring 30 days >after installation. The registered version is only 15 >pounds (UK) that's about $25 (US) > >More information and a download are available on: > >http://www.compulink.co.uk/~net-services/jd.htm > >Steve Harris - Net Services > I then posted to alt.privacy.anon-server the following preliminary review: I downloaded a trial version of John-Doe and have been playing with it for a day. Herewith my initial impressions of it: Downloading it from the source: as described. easy. Performing basic installation on my hard disk: essentially automated. should not trouble or even hassle anyone with even a marginal knowledge of Windows. Performing installation as WinsockApp in my Pipeline e-mail software: moderately easy to impossible. Pipeline uses an odd e-mail system that automatically fills an empty SUBJECT field with the phrase "[NO SUBJECT]" that jams everything and caused every test message I sent to bounce back to me. However, I then downloaded a copy of Eudora Light to use with John-Doe. This seems to be working. I really hated the need to do this and the extra hassle but it is not a specific bug in John-Doe. (On the other hand Steve, since installation programs are constantly being improved even to deal with other company's brain-damaged software ... Hint, hint, hint...) Does it work as Steve says: as far as I can tell, yes. Overall impressions (very preliminary): John-Doe is a classical example of how elite technology pulls mass technology in its wake. PZ developed PGP and got it widely out, even if the command line structure kept most people from learning it. Then other people (penet not included here) developed Mixmaster etc. tech that worked well but was so complex that only an estimated 500 people worldwide could use it. Then other people developed front ends for PGP etc., like PGPSH and Private Idaho. Finally, people like Steve develop real front ends for the complex tech that puts the ability to use the previously elite tech in the hands of people who want the earlier complexity to disappear. I suspect that John-Doe will go through the normal new-product cycle -- discovery of bugs, slight improvements, and then better integration of user needs. Ultimately, as the product matures, I think that Steve's John Doe will be seen as a revolutionary development in privacy equal to (in a far less technical but more end-user way) PZ's original PGP. -- tallpaul "To understand the probable outcome of the Libertarian vision, see any cyberpunk B movie wherein thousands of diseased, desparate and starving families sit around on ratty old couches on the streets watching television while rich megalomaniacs appropriate their body parts for their personal physical immortality." R. U. Sirius _The Real Cyberpunk Fakebook_

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Re: PGP in Eudora and other mail programs
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:54 1/25/96, Timothy C. May wrote: >(I understand from this list that Eudora for Windows is now doing this much >more automatically, that someone has a PGP-in-Eudora package. I don't think >it was from Qualcomm, but I could be wrong. As a Macintosh version user, >I'm hoping this comes to the Mac version as well.) There exist two Eudora/PGP packets. The MacPGP Kit and MacPGP Control. I'd use MacPGP Control. Just do a search for it. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm in El Paso Texas... so close to the border I can see Old Mex outside my window as I write this.. I'm over there nearly every day for lunch ( I actually walk there from my house it's so close) If I write a crypto program on my laptop over there and ftp it to a web page I have on a server outside the US will I have avoided the foolish export regs?? Does anyone know of someone trying this before??

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Re: TOP_tap
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:55 PM 1/25/96 -0500, Rich Salz wrote: >Up until recently (18-30 months ago) NSA employees were only allowed >to identify themselves as employees of DoD. It was common knowledge, >that unspecific references to Fort Meade meant NSA; and if you saw >a P.O. from Procurement Office, Fort Meade, it meant the NSA was buying >it. Back in the dark ages (I think early 1980s), I attended a Symposium on Operating System Princples at Asilomar, California. My luck-of-the-draw room mate was wearing a badge which proclaimed that he was from NSA, Fort Mead, MD. A story of California hippy meets US-DOD. Bill

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Re: Trust
by rdew＠el.nec.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

James, That one is easy. NSA does not get all the recovery key info from stuff developed in Australia. On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 James Morris <jmorris(a)intercode.com.au> wrote: > > I'm just wondering if anyone else finds it particularly odd that while > Australia is prepared to commit SAS troops, medical and intelligence > personnel to a possible strike against Iraq, the US government still > doesn't seem to trust us enough to use US developed cryptography > products with adequate security. > > - James. > Bob De Witt, rdew(a)el.nec.com Opinions expressed are my own, and in no way relate to those of my employer, or anyone else. -rdew

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