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Re: Stealth Buildings Was Re: "X-Ray Gun" for imperceptible searches
by droelke＠rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If foil or metal mesh would block it, then many recently built houses would be already set. Usually that 1/2 - 1 inch styrofoam used on almost all exterior walls has a reflective layer of foil to help keep the heat/cold out. Then again, this sounds like hype-ed up infra-red technology to me, in which case seeing through walls is B.S. Dan > > At 06:56 PM 8/12/96 EDT, you wrote: > Since metal blocks the waves and stands out on the screen one could affectively > block its use by putting up a fine metal mesh on the interior of all walls > that are exterior to the house. The same could be said for clothing that > looks normal but has a metal mesh liner, like say a trench coat. > > > I would wonder if a jamming device (preferably area-effect with a > >slowly randomly varying swathe of area, to avoid figuring out who was carrying > >it) would be possible, or some variety of shielding (i.e., emitting waves > >looking similar to flesh). > > -Allen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Oelke Alcatel Network Systems droelke(a)aud.alcatel.com Richardson, TX

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Re: Why should we trust the system? & a little off topic
by an681132＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Preiously, jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> > <snip> However, hours after it was publicly revealed that the Atlanta > 911 center screwed up, wasting 10 minutes looking up the address of > "Centennial park," <snip> After watching the news during the coverage of the 911 call, I couldn't help but notice the free computer advertisement. I don't suppose that --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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Replace Key
by Pronto Secure Beta Feedback 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Unmetered Net Usage
by Yanni 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So it seems to me that within 5 years or so, there ought to be a > powerful incentive to wire up apartment complexes and business parks > with alternative Internet/Internet-telephone connections, ones > which bypass the phoneco for at least the first few hundred feet. > This, possibly in concert with a ISDN-driving concentrator or > a cable-modem, should reduce the cost of the customer-to-the-ISP line to > a very low value. > > Jim Bell > jimbell(a)pacifier.com I can see it now. Apartments full of geeks because the apartments were originally built with 100BaseX to each place and a T3 in the basement going direct to the local ISP. Tack on another $200/month or whatever to the apartment cost ( geeks can afford that for sure ) and one might end up having a pretty nice online melrose place. I wonder if anybody has done that yet... -jon Jon (no h) S. Stevens yanni(a)clearink.com ClearInk WebMagus http://www.clearink.com/ finger pgp(a)sparc.clearink.com for pgp pub key We are hiring! http://www.clearink.com/clearink/home/job.html

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Fw: Re: Free Pronto Secure Offer
by geoff＠commtouch.co.il 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue Aug 13 18:39:12 1996 on Aug 13 Sean Sutherland wrote: > Whatever happened to that free offer for ProntoSecure for members of > the Cpunk list? Remembered hearing something about it awhile back, > but I don't know exactly what it is. Thanks. The offer is still on. A free copy of Pronto Secure in exchange for feedback. Open to anyone on the c'punk list. http://www.commtouch.com/p1.htm for download. http://www.commtouch.com/testers.htm for users' impressions. http://www.commtouch.com/s-mail.html for description. Announcement: Effective immediately. New list price for Pronto - ------------ Secure is $99. Contact secure(a)commtouch.com if group discounts required. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Klein, Pronto Secure Product Manager; www.commtouch.com My PGP public Key 1814AD45 can be obtained by sending a message to geoff(a)commtouch.co.il with "Get PGP Key" as the subject. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMhChpkLv5OMYFK1FAQFE/gP+NVaU5a+fdU5YuGLPDrD02DuXgfc/skZP sKUuE2yJcBV1N7ITjWJEkf98hgWr688G71lJ2+1JGob1bLBF5bBDT3M2ag5eX5Dl dARvhjtcU4+bDxOrnOsJ4wlAyTZ1WmfmaDoe5IPKdgAu+6gTDS+3dq31vm2oFaud /2qazWTTUwA= =jFNk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [NOISE] Geek Apartments
by Jeremy Mineweaser 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:41 AM 8/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >* I can see it now. Apartments full of geeks because the apartments >* were originally built with 100BaseX to each place and a T3 in the >* basement going direct to the local ISP. > >Yes, it has already happened, although in a slightly different >context. The Georgia Tech campus dormatories got wired with Ethernet >back in 1994, and there was quite a rush by the sizable geek >population to get dorm rooms in the buildings slated to get >installation first. It worked out quite well, especially the privacy >aspects, as the dorm routers encrypted all packets so only the >intended Ethernet node could receive it (at least that is what they >said). > >So, in this case it was only 10BaseT and gatech.edu as the ISP, but it >still was very neat. Thanks to the Olympics, Georgia Tech now has 100% Ethernet availability in its dormitories. Currently the system utilizes a fiber-optic campus backbone with network hardware in each building providing a 10BaseT port to each student. Work is underway to install ATM hardware and upgrade ports to 100Mb/s networking technology. Jeremy L. Mineweaser | GCS/E d->-- s:- a--- C++(+++)$ ULC++(++++)>$ P+>++$ gt4436c(a)prism.gatech.edu | L+>++ E-(---) W++ N+ !o-- K+>++ w+(++++) O- M-- | V-(--) PS+(--) PE++ Y++>$ PGP++>+++$ t+() 5 X+ R+() *ai*vr*vx*crypto* | tv(+) b++>+++ DI+(++) D+ G++ e>+++ h-() r-@ !y-

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[NOISE] Statists get to make choices, too.
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr. Dimitri Vulis KOTM writes: >There is no place on the 'net safe for the Usenet Cabal or the fucking statists >who call themselves "libertarians". Oh, sure there is. The Misguided Cabal Dupes [tm] have decided they prefer the relative order of the current system to the chaos of a disbarred lawyer's vision. News admins have simply taken extra steps to make sure that their services won't be disrupted by a few individuals who style themselves the "Usenet Freedom Knights." I'm sure the Fucking Statists have taken similar steps. Your right to rant doesn't override my right to ignore you. Isn't that really what this country's supposed to be about? The right to be left alone?

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Re: Anguilla...etc.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:25 AM 8/14/96 Moscow Time, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTD wrote: >"Greg Kucharo" <sophi(a)best.com> writes: >> While Tim may be right that nobility is lost when backing down to the >> authorities, the fact is that this game has little to do with noble >> purposes. ... > >Nor was there any activity from the authorities. > >A while back, when Vince first started advertizing his site, I asked him a few >hypothetical questions, and he said roughly this: If client X posts something >to Usenet from Vince's site, and if Y dislikes X's article so much that he >mailbombs X, then Vince would pull X's plug. (I have the exact quote saved.) >I lost interest right then. I'm not surprised that Vince acted dishonorably by >pulling a client's plug with no warning for a very flimsy reason. "Acted dishonorably"? Really, Dimitri, are all Russians this rude? (Seeing the battles on Usenet between the "Sovoks" and the "Gruborbots," I'm beginning to think so.) While I think the Anguilla situation is an interesting one to analyze, I avoid such loaded terms as "dishonorable." --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Thursday, 15 August: Join Matthew Gaylor in Club Wired's Electronic Frontiers Chat
by freematt＠coil.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thursday, 15 August 6 p.m. PDT Matthew Gaylor, in Electronic Frontiers Join Gaylor and host Jon Lebkowsky on Thursday, 15 August at 6 p.m. PDT (Friday 01:00 GMT) in Electronic Frontiers. http://www.hotwired.com/eff/ [Note from Matthew Gaylor: I'll be online at ClubWired discussing cyberlibertarianism and other pro-individual rights issues. I'm sure you'll want to join the discussion. I hope to see you there.] **************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 ****************************************************************************

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Re: Capital and Taxes
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:26 PM 8/14/96, Llywarch Hen wrote: >Yep, we've adopted the fuzziest-headed of liberal ideas in promoting >government as an agent of change to improve things for Tim and his pals by >asking wage earners to subsidize his economic activities by distributing the >costs to the public so he can enjoy the profits. But this is just the result But there are no "costs" to be distributed. The government already taxed the corporation once, at 40-50%, and even taxed the gain due solely to devaluation to the currency (inflation), so all I am asking is that I not be taxed again. Of course, they will likely do so anyway. So I'm saying I probably won't sell assets I might otherwise have sold (not surprisingly, some folks even want unsold assets taxed). For the record, I paid a *lot* of taxes this year, much more (by a factor of several) than I putatively received in benefits. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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