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Re: c'punks top 5
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I was reading about socks last night, and it does seem to be very close > to what is needed for this. Somebody, I forget who, had a hospitality suite at a Usenix LISA conference. They have a commercial version of socks. I don't remember if it was bundled or an option. At any rate, kinda neat that someone is providing privacy tools rather then the other way round. /r$

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Re: GUI: PGP vs novices
by bshantz＠spry.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thomas Grant Edwards Writes: >PGP has made me more crypto aware, but at this point neither I nor most of >the crypto aware people I personally know feel there is a need to either >encrypt or sign messages on a regular basis. It is my own personal opinion that in order for crypto to truly become mainframe, the software manufacturers of internet connectivity packages must integrate crypto into the applications. Look at the past threads here on Cypherpunks..."How do I write a script to put PGP into ELM?" "PGP DLL modularity" etc. In order to bring crypto to the masses, we have got to convince people that it is necessary. We also must make it "second nature". It sure is nice to have a menu option or a toolbar button that will encrypt plaintext automatically. Key management and some of the "high tech" (I know, for us it's nothing, but for my dad who just bought a computer and doesn't understand the difference between click, double click, and drag, crypto is a really high tech thing just in itself.) things of crypto should not be directly handled by the user. (Optional of course. On a privacy level, the user should have full control. But give the user a break...if the software is secure..as such...so is the user's privacy.) You will notice that this message is not signed. That's because in order to sign it, I would need to save my message, hop out to a DOS box, PGP encrypt it, hop back to my mail program and insert the encrypted mail as a text file. That's enough to discourage the average user. This is pretty much what Tim May was talking about when he discussed why he doesn't sign his messages. It's not that he couldn't... it's just not practical for him. It's not really practical for me either, but I do it when I feel it's necessary. The only way to make crypto practical is to basicalloy hide the technical side from the user and make it easy. That's my two cents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>INTERNETWORKING THE DESKTOP<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Brad Shantz bshantz(a)spry.com Senior Software Engineer SPRY Inc. Direct #: (206)-442-8251 316 Occidental Ave. S. Main #: (206)-447-0300 Suite 316 Fax #: (206)-447-9008 Seattle, WA 98104 WWW URL: http://WWW.SPRY.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Public Key at: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html Or email: pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ai.mit.edu Subj: GET bshantz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Re: GUI: PGP vs novices
by bshantz＠spry.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff Licquia writes: >>You will notice that this message is not signed. That's because in order to >>sign it, I would need to save my message, hop out to a DOS box, PGP encrypt >>it, hop back to my mail program and insert the encrypted mail as a text file. >>That's enough to discourage the average user. This is pretty much what Tim >>May was talking about when he discussed why he doesn't sign his messages. >>It's not that he couldn't... it's just not practical for him. It's not really >>practical for me either, but I do it when I feel it's necessary. >Just a small nit, but it appears that you're running something >Windows-compatible on your desk (the DOS box and all that). Are you aware >of the good Windows tools for PGP? The particular one I use (PGPClip by >Mike Meyer) uses the clipboard, and is very nice and simple. Exactly my point Jeff. Thank you for justifying what I said....**WINK**, **GRIN**. In order to even use PGPClip, it involves something OUTSIDE the mail application. (Although, it does sound intriguing to me.) Anyway, this is yet another example of the user needing to be fully conscious that they are signing or encrypting. It should be second nature. In order for it to become second nature, it MUST be included in the design of the mail package. (Or News reader, or FTP software, whatever.) Third party utilities make a piece of software harder to use. That's a given. Now, don't get me wrong, there are some nice thrid party vendor products out there. But, I have yet to see a crypto product that merges (cross platform) into a mail package smoothly. >Not a flame, or even a spark. Just wanting to make life easier for crypto >enthusiasts. Didn't see any sparks at all, Jeff. I am interested in PGPClip (at least to look at) does anyone have an FTP site pointer where I could find it? -- Brad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>INTERNETWORKING THE DESKTOP<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Brad Shantz bshantz(a)spry.com Senior Software Engineer SPRY Inc. Direct #: (206)-442-8251 316 Occidental Ave. S. Main #: (206)-447-0300 Suite 316 Fax #: (206)-447-9008 Seattle, WA 98104 WWW URL: http://WWW.SPRY.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Public Key at: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html Or email: pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ai.mit.edu Subj: GET bshantz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Kiwi cypherpunks
by Tony.Gurnick＠nzdairy.co.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lads (and lasses), I seem to be having a bit of troub communicating we the kiwis on this list directly, but no probs if I send to the list. Has there been and communication on this topic in the last 3 or so days??? We cant organise anything if we cant talk to each other! T

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Re: NYT Potpurri and Econo-cash
by Bass Wastelan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ECO_do - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLvi2uSoZzwIn1bdtAQHOiQGAmRUcHy1wI/BkqpRQYj+ocztm4Go6YBBw pKzj1nY6PhcWz1pGYHNvolPFhF4hcN1L =nxS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailer list needed
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"L. McCarthy" <lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu> wrote: > Anyway, the standard ways of accessing the latest list are: > finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html > > I don't know of a way to get it automatically via mail. I think the address to get finger via email is mg5n+finger(a)andrew.cmu.edu

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alpha.c2.org software upgrade
by admin＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is now possible to send outgoing mail via the alias remailer at alpha.c2.org. To send a message, create a message of the following format: From: me(a)alpha.c2.org (My Nym) Password: mypass Subject: test To: alt.test(a)demon.co.uk This is my message. Encrypt this with the public key for the remailer and send it to alias(a)alpha.c2.org. It will decrypt it and send your message (after verifying and removing the password line.)

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Steganography Software
by John.Schofield＠sprawl.expressnet.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I am working on a review of the various steganography programs out there for the March/April issue of Keep Out magazine. I have a pretty good list of the stuff that's available in the DOS world, but I may have missed plenty of stuff available on the Internet. If anyone is aware of later versions of these programs, or of a program not listed here that should be, *please* let me know. (Please include an FTP site and directory and/or a BBS to download it from.) I want this review to be as complete and accurate as possible. Questions, comments, and suggestions are of course welcome. Here's everything I have so far, including partial descriptions: HDSK41.ZIP Hide and Seek v 4.1b. Data hiding/seeking using GIF files. JSTEGV4.ZIP This version of the Independent JPEG Group's JPEG Software (release 4) has been modifed for 1-bit steganography in JFIF output files. MANDLEXE.ZIP MandelSteg V1.0, including GIFExtract V.10, for DOS. These two programs allow you to hide confidential data in fractal GIF images. PGE10B.ZIP Pretty Good Envelope (P.G.E.) v1.0. PGE will "insert" your data into a GIF or JPG file. S-TOOLS.ZIP S-Tools for Windows. Version 2.00. Steganography program for Windows. S-Tools (Steganography Tools) brings you the capability of `hiding' files within Windows sound files (.WAV), bitmap (.BMP) and CompuServe GIF files. STEGO.ZIP Send encrypted messages and files which are undetectible and REQUIRE NO KEY! Programs and messages are submerged into a graphic file (usually a B/W TIF file). Once the object has been hidden the TIF appears unchanged. STEGODOS.ZIP StegoDos aka Black Wolf's Picture Encoder, Version 0.90b. For 320x200x256 only. WNS210.ZIP White Noise Storm: Data Encryption/Steganography package. You can use this to hide files in PCX pictures so nobody will see them. Thanks very much! John Schofield Publisher, Keep Out -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7 Comment: Call 818-345-8640 voice for info on Keep Out magazine. iQCVAwUBLvp8M2j9fvT+ukJdAQHDkgP/Uh9aEhOz4Gu7FnUbFOTaOLAmlJBSRgjG 5nFRkWudlKejB/89tXFV64mg+iCPpkF9OJg1+szkzskPmRXmJ+K6WafBxlEAD9Tp I+vI/QAxQDT8XCn9e4fQ0QaEfp/Ek9GBZ2qSJvq6wbJmBM/iuLfHukEI7l9uSp/K KhAM9nnqbo8= =P+mn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- **EZ-PGP v1.07 ... I thought about being born again, but mum said no. --- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 -- |Expressnet: John Schofield 11:310/12 |Internet: John.Schofield(a)sprawl.expressnet.org | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

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CIAC Notes 94-05 (fwd)
by NetSurfer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I checked my mail and didn't find this posted to the list, so I'll send an abbreviated snip w/pointers for you. Interesting info... - -NetSurfer #include <standard.disclaimer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> == = = |James D. Wilson |V.PGP 2.7: 512/E12FCD 1994/03/17 > " " o " |P. O. Box 15432 | finger for full PGP key > " " / \ " |Honolulu, HI 96830 |====================================> \" "/ G \" |Serendipitous Solutions| Also NetSurfer(a)sersol.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:30:38 -0800 From: VANLEHN(a)margay.llnl.gov To: jdwilson(a)gold.chem.hawaii.edu Subject: CIAC Notes 94-05 U.S. DOE's Computer Incident Advisory Capability ___ __ __ _ ___ __ __ __ __ __ / | /_\ / |\ | / \ | |_ /_ \___ __|__ / \ \___ | \| \__/ | |__ __/ Number 94-05 December 22, 1994 Welcome to the fifth issue of CIAC Notes, the United States Department of Energy's (DOE) Computer Incident Advisory Capability (CIAC) electronic publication for articles on relevant computer security topics. This "E-zine" is a service requested by our DOE and DOE contractor customers, and is open to subscription by anyone who can receive E-mail via the Internet. Hopefully we are giving you a gift of information to close out 1994. If you have topics you would like addressed or have feedback on this issue, please contact the editor, Allan L. Van Lehn, CIAC, (510) 422-8193 or send E-mail to ciac(a)llnl.gov. $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$ $ Reference to any specific commercial product does not necessarily $ $ constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or favoring by $ $ CIAC, the University of California, or the United States Government.$ $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$ TABLE OF CONTENTS Feature Articles How Trusting Can We Be? Internet Firewalls - Part 2 More On The Good Times Virus Hoax CIAC Plans To Have A Home Page In January Security Information Servers MAC / PC User PowerMAC Users Beware Data Physician Plus! 4.0E Available Novell Users OS/2 Systems Processing CLASSIFIED DATA CIAC Information Who Is CIAC? CIAC Bulletins Issued Recently Subscribing To CIAC Electronic Publications Accessing CIAC's Electronic Information Servers Publications Available From CIAC Contacting CIAC /snip/ >It is possible >to create a file that remaps keys when displayed on a PC/MS-DOS machine with >the ANSI.SYS driver loaded. However, this only works on PC/MS-DOS machines >with the text displayed on the screen in text mode. It would not work in >Windows or in most text editors or mailers. A key could be remapped to >produce any command sequence when pressed, for example DEL or FORMAT. >However, the command is not issued until the remapped key is pressed and the >command issued by the remapped key would be visible on the screen. You could >protect yourself by removing ANSI.SYS from the CONFIG.SYS file, but many DOS >programs use the functionality of ANSI.SYS to control screen functions and >colors. Windows programs are not effected by ANSI.SYS, though a DOS program >running in Windows would be. - ------------------------------ Security Information Servers Novell: http://www.novell.com/cgi-bin/ftpsearch.pl?QString=security Microsoft Windows: gopher://198.105.232.4:70/77%5Ckb%5Cperopsys%5Cwindows%5Cwindows.src?security gopher://198.105.232.4:70/77%5Ckb%5Cperopsys%5Cwindows%5Cwindows.src?patches FIRST's WWW server: http://www.first.org/first/ NIST/CSRC http://cs-www.ncsl.nist.gov Purdue Computer Emergency Response Team (PCERT) http://www.cs.purdue.edu/pcert/pcert.html NASA Automated Systems Incident Response Capability (NASIRC) (this is accessible to *.nasa.gov systems only, but it can be accessed though the FIRST server or you can contact NASIRC to be added to their hosts.allow file) http://nasirc.nasa.gov/NASIRC_home.html Naval Computer Incident Response Team (NAVCIRT) http://infosec.nosc.mil/niseeast/navcirt.html Australian Computer Emergency Response Team (AUSCERT) http://www.auscert.org.au (Proposed to be up in a couple of weeks) http://www.uq.oz.au/pcc/services/sert/home.html (Currently active) DFN-CERT German Home Page - http://www.cert.dfn.de/ English Home Page - http://www.cert.dfn.de/eng/ Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) http://www.sei.cmu.edu/SEI/programs/cert.html Veterans Health Administration (VHA) http://www.va.gov Small Business Administration (SBA) http://www.sbaonline.gov/ If you know of others, please send mail to ciac(a)llnl.gov. /snip/ - ------------------------------ Data Physician Plus! 4.0E Available All DOE sites should now have Data Physician Plus! 4.0E for use on IMBpc compatable systems. Contact your site CPPM if you have not obtained an update. This version does provide protection from the KAOS4 and One_half viruses (see CIAC Bulletin E-32 for further information on KAOS4 and E-34 for information on One_half). - ------------------------------ Novell NetWare Users CIAC is receiving more and more calls from our DOE clients asking for information on minimizing the risks associated with installing NetWare and in further connecting these LANs to the Internet. To supplement our own experiences CIAC is interested in partnering with other experts to create a comprehensive package of information that could be made available to all sites. If you have Novell NetWare expertise and would like to be a CIAC associate, please send a note to ciac(a)llnl.gov. - ------------------------------ OS/2 Systems Processing CLASSIFIED DATA by Rollo D. Rogers [rogers(a)cod.nosc.mil] SECURITY SAFEGUARDS FOR PROCESSING CLASSIFIED INFO ON A COMPUTER RUNNING OS/2 V2.1 [note: some sites may not allow internal hard disks for classified systems. ed] - ------------------------------ CIAC INFORMATION - ------------------------------ Who is CIAC? CIAC is the U.S. Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory Capability. Established in 1989, shortly after the Internet Worm, CIAC provides various computer security services free of charge to employees and contractors of the DOE, such as: o Incident Handling Consulting o Computer Security Information o On-site Workshops CIAC is located at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California, and is a part of its Computer Security Technology Center. CIAC is also a founding member of FIRST, the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams, a global organization established to foster cooperation and coordination among computer security teams worldwide. Further information can be found at http://www.first.org/first/ - ------------------------------ CIAC Bulletins Issued recently CIAC issues two categories of computer security announcements: the information bulletin and the advisory notice. Information bulletins describe security vulnerabilities and recommend countermeasures. Advisory notices are more imperative, urging prompt action for actively exploited vulnerabilities. Advisory notices are delivered as quickly as possible via E-mail and FAX. F-01 Advisory SGI IRIX serial_ports Vulnerability Oct. 4, 1994, 1600 PDT F-02 Bulletin Summary of HP Security Bulletins Nov. 17, 1994, 1300 PDT F-03 Bulletin Restricted Distribution F-04 Bulletin Security Vulnerabilities in DECnet/OSI for OpenVMS Nov. 28, 1994, 0900 PDT F-05 Bulletin SCO Unix at, login, prwarn, sadc, and pt_chmod Patches Available Dec. 06, 1994, 0800 PDT F-06 Bulletin Novell UnixWare sadc, urestore, and suic_exec Vulnerabilities Dec. 14, 1994, 0800 PDT - ------------------------------ Contacting CIAC DOE and DOE contractor sites that require additional assistance or wish to report a vulnerability: call CIAC at 510-422-8193, fax messages to 510-423-8002 or send E-mail to ciac(a)llnl.gov. ------------------- A - T - T - E - N - T - I - O - N --------------------- | For emergencies and off-hour assistance, CIAC is available 24-hours a day | | to DOE and DOE contractors via an integrated voicemail and SKYPAGE number.| | To use this service, dial 1-510-422-8193 or 1-800-759-7243 (SKYPAGE). 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Neither the United States Government nor the University of California nor any of their employees, makes any warranty, express or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, apparatus, product, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or favoring by the United States Government or the University of California. The views and opinions of authors expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the United States Government or the University of California, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes. - ------------------------------ End of CIAC Notes Number 94-05 94_12_22 **************************************** - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLvsP8CoZzwIn1bdtAQFmbgGAve2RmZmmVy+AtvHhLtdKBy/B5/7eyNDe h+eaysT6l7JUIX1x18BwM574UH+ibzYB =BnIF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Is it possible to break Norton Encrypt??
by ADAM GERSTEIN, _THE_ MACGURU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Howdy fellow 'punks- A friend of mine thinks his girlfriend has been cheating on him, and thinks the proof may be in a few Norton Encrypt files. Is there anyway to get the password with a data/resource editor, or is he shit-out-of-luck and looking for a new girl-friend? Please reply via private mail, since I had to leave the list for my christmas break. Adam Gerstein -=- "Practice safe HEX - always use a keyboard condom" - anon PGP Key available bye finger or mail with the sub: PGPKEY +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ |(e)Mail me: | | Gerstein(a)scsu.ctstateu.edu | AGerstein(a)aol.com | | MacGeek(a)scsu.ctstateu.edu | MacGeek(a)eWorld.com | | an41389(a)anon.penet.fi (for anonymity) | +-------------------------------------------------------+ EWWWWW! - Betsy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQBWAwUBLq/fYbXVc2UFUOWNAQHu4QIBAQzD1aOCh4DV3Dg4DSJPmNu+1xGDRxND 0PavaUaBFP7GGT6EneTBwVX1ddL1PFFKdeMf8qo9FgWfG0EOHuHJTkY= =6rlg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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