July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was:
by Jonathan H. Care 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd] > >From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick(a)ianai.net> >Date: July 28, 2006 2:11:45 PM EDT >To: dave(a)farber.net >Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick(a)ianai.net> >Subject: Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police >Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd] > > In the UK, it is a crime under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 not to disclose a password, encryption key, session key, or plaintext when required to do so by law enforcement. This applies both to end parties in the communication, and intermediates (such as telecommunication companies). Note that some people have been known to perform a risk assessment, and have elected the milder penalty associated with refusal to disclose, rather than face the harsher penalties that come with conviction of the crime that led to them being the target of investigation. I have a feeling the the Police and Justice bill 2006 has some further measures planned in this direction, but can't cite references at the moment. > >Seems there might be some 'self-incriminatory' arguments here. >Perhaps even an "unreasonable search" argument. But IANAL. > Kind Regards, Jonathan Care Director, The Security Practice Ltd. Tel: +44 (0)845 123 5413 Email: j.care(a)securitypractice.com Skype: jonathancare ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen(a)leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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[IP] more on Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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WikiLeaks may be under attack
by WikiLeaks 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

WikiLeaks may be under attack. You were generous enough to write to us, but we have not had the labor resources to respond. Your support is important to us. Please read all of this email to understand what is going on. We apologize for not getting back to you before. It is not through any lack of interest on our part, but an enforced lack of resources. One of our alleged sources, a young US intelligence analyst, Bradley Manning, has been detained and shipped to a US military prison in Kuwait, where he is being held without trail. Mr. Manning is alleged to have acted according to his conscious and leaked to us the Collateral Murder video and the video of a massacre that took place in Afghanistan last year at Garani. The Garani massacre, which we are still working on, killed over 100 people, mostly children. Mr. Manning allegedly also sent us 260,000 classified US Department cables, reporting on the actions of US Embassy's engaging in abusive actions all over the world. We have denied the allegation, but the US government is acting as if the allegation is true and we do have a lot of other material that exposes human rights abuses by the United States government. Mr. Manning was allegedly exposed after talking to an unrelated "journalist" who then worked with the US government to detain him. Some background on the Manning case: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/06/11/transcript-daniel-ellsberg-says… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/leak/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/wikileaks-chat/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/state-department-anxious/ http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2010/06/143011.htm [ note that there are some questions about the Wired reportage, see: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/13/video-wikileaks-foun.html#comment-8096… ] WikiLeaks a small organization going through enormous growth and operating in an adverserial, high-security environment which can make communication time consuming and the acquisition of new staff and volunteers, also difficult since they require high levels of trust. To try and deal with our growth and the current difficult situation, we want to get you to work together with our other supporters to set up a "Friends of WikiLeaks" group in your area. We have multiple supporters in most countries and would like to see them be a strong and independent force. Please write to friends(a)sunshinepress.org if you are interested in helping with Friends of WikiLeaks in your area. You will receive further instructions. We also have significant unexpected legal costs (for example flying a legal team to Kuwait, video production. Collateral Murder production costs were $50,000 all up). Any financial contributions will be of IMMEDIATE assistance. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Special:Support Please donate and tell the world that you have done so. Encourage all your friends to follow the example you set, after all, courage is contagious. Julian Assange Editor in Chief WIKILEAKS ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [p2p-hackers] Whistle-blower site platform design
by joss-p2phackers＠pseudonymity.net 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 23/12/10 19:52, Len Sassaman wrote: [snip] > >> The critical Eternity Service (and Freenet) issue of hosts being >> ignorant of the data that they carry will be important in resisting more >> legal attacks. > > I'm not sure we should get hung up on that; that argument always stuck me > as "legal cleverness" of the sort judges laugh at. Fair point. I'm equally dubious of legal arguments that treat "beyond reasonable doubt" too mathematically. (Even in those locations where "beyond reasonable doubt" holds.) Having said that, this approach forces an all-or-nothing approach on the legal system. If you can't reasonably link a person to a given chunk of data then your only option is a blanket ban of the system. > If the purpose of this > platform is to disseminate documents in the public interest, which happen > to upset some legal entities be they corporations or governments, the > "public interest" argument is what's going to keep them online, imo. Public interest will work as a /mechanism/ if you rely on wide distribution of data. As a legal argument in the "first amendment" sense, though, you're limited to places with first amendments. :) It seems to me that, from an anti-censorship perspective, keeping the system ignorant of the location of given data prevents targeted technical, as well as legal, attacks. On the other hand you might consider broad distribution to make that a moot point. > Further, "But I don't technically know what I'm hosting" isn't going to > change Amazon's mind when they want to pull the plug on you. > With hosting companies almost always having "we can disconnect you for no reason" clauses, this attacker is too strong to take on anyway. As I said above, though, you can at least force an all-or-nothing policy. Joss _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Announce: The (Amnesic) Incognito Live System 0.6.1
by bertagaz＠ptitcanardnoir.org 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hi, The (Amnesic) Incognito Live System, version 0.6.1, is out. This is a bugfix-only release mainly aimed at fixing serious security issues in bundled software. All users must upgrade as soon as possible. What is it? =========== T(A)ILS is a Live system aimed at preserving your privacy and anonymity: - all outgoing connections to the Internet are forced to go through the Tor network; - no trace is left on local storage devices unless explicitely asked. Homepage: https://amnesia.boum.org/ Get it, try it, share it! ========================= Try it! [1] Any comments are most welcome. Please note you'll need to install the CACert root certificate into your web browser before connecting to our web site... unless you use Debian. [1] https://amnesia.boum.org/download/ What's new? =========== - Tor 0.2.1.28: resolves possible remote code execution, see the Tor project blog post [2] for details - Other software upgrades fix grave bugs, most of these with serious security implications. - FireGPG and Seahorse: use the same keyserver as the one configured in `gpg.conf`. - HTP: display the logs when the clock synchronization fails. - Use the light version of the "Are you using Tor?" webpage. See the online Changelog [3] for more details. [2] https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-02128-released-security-patches [3] http://git.immerda.ch/?p=amnesia.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/changelog;hb=ref… *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Wikileaks, Friend or Foe?
by Joseph Prasad 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

A very good interview with John Young on Russia Today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRUiB_8tTc <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRUiB_8tTc>------- mentioned in the interview------ http://cryptome.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunks *--------------------------------* *The only power people exert over us, is the power we allow them to exert.* * * *http://www.projectcensored.org/* * * *http://www.thenewamerican.com/* *--------------------------------* * * ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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WikiLeaks may be under attack
by WikiLeaks 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

WikiLeaks may be under attack. You were generous enough to write to us, but we have not had the labor resources to respond. Your support is important to us. Please read all of this email to understand what is going on. We apologize for not getting back to you before. It is not through any lack of interest on our part, but an enforced lack of resources. One of our alleged sources, a young US intelligence analyst, Bradley Manning, has been detained and shipped to a US military prison in Kuwait, where he is being held without trail. Mr. Manning is alleged to have acted according to his conscious and leaked to us the Collateral Murder video and the video of a massacre that took place in Afghanistan last year at Garani. The Garani massacre, which we are still working on, killed over 100 people, mostly children. Mr. Manning allegedly also sent us 260,000 classified US Department cables, reporting on the actions of US Embassy's engaging in abusive actions all over the world. We have denied the allegation, but the US government is acting as if the allegation is true and we do have a lot of other material that exposes human rights abuses by the United States government. Mr. Manning was allegedly exposed after talking to an unrelated "journalist" who then worked with the US government to detain him. Some background on the Manning case: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/06/11/transcript-daniel-ellsberg-says… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/leak/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/wikileaks-chat/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/state-department-anxious/ http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2010/06/143011.htm [ note that there are some questions about the Wired reportage, see: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/13/video-wikileaks-foun.html#comment-8096… ] WikiLeaks a small organization going through enormous growth and operating in an adverserial, high-security environment which can make communication time consuming and the acquisition of new staff and volunteers, also difficult since they require high levels of trust. To try and deal with our growth and the current difficult situation, we want to get you to work together with our other supporters to set up a "Friends of WikiLeaks" group in your area. We have multiple supporters in most countries and would like to see them be a strong and independent force. Please write to friends(a)sunshinepress.org if you are interested in helping with Friends of WikiLeaks in your area. You will receive further instructions. We also have significant unexpected legal costs (for example flying a legal team to Kuwait, video production. Collateral Murder production costs were $50,000 all up). Any financial contributions will be of IMMEDIATE assistance. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Special:Support Please donate and tell the world that you have done so. Encourage all your friends to follow the example you set, after all, courage is contagious. Julian Assange Editor in Chief WIKILEAKS ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [p2p-hackers] Whistle-blower site platform design
by joss-p2phackers＠pseudonymity.net 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 23/12/10 19:52, Len Sassaman wrote: [snip] > >> The critical Eternity Service (and Freenet) issue of hosts being >> ignorant of the data that they carry will be important in resisting more >> legal attacks. > > I'm not sure we should get hung up on that; that argument always stuck me > as "legal cleverness" of the sort judges laugh at. Fair point. I'm equally dubious of legal arguments that treat "beyond reasonable doubt" too mathematically. (Even in those locations where "beyond reasonable doubt" holds.) Having said that, this approach forces an all-or-nothing approach on the legal system. If you can't reasonably link a person to a given chunk of data then your only option is a blanket ban of the system. > If the purpose of this > platform is to disseminate documents in the public interest, which happen > to upset some legal entities be they corporations or governments, the > "public interest" argument is what's going to keep them online, imo. Public interest will work as a /mechanism/ if you rely on wide distribution of data. As a legal argument in the "first amendment" sense, though, you're limited to places with first amendments. :) It seems to me that, from an anti-censorship perspective, keeping the system ignorant of the location of given data prevents targeted technical, as well as legal, attacks. On the other hand you might consider broad distribution to make that a moot point. > Further, "But I don't technically know what I'm hosting" isn't going to > change Amazon's mind when they want to pull the plug on you. > With hosting companies almost always having "we can disconnect you for no reason" clauses, this attacker is too strong to take on anyway. As I said above, though, you can at least force an all-or-nothing policy. Joss _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Announce: The (Amnesic) Incognito Live System 0.6.1
by bertagaz＠ptitcanardnoir.org 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hi, The (Amnesic) Incognito Live System, version 0.6.1, is out. This is a bugfix-only release mainly aimed at fixing serious security issues in bundled software. All users must upgrade as soon as possible. What is it? =========== T(A)ILS is a Live system aimed at preserving your privacy and anonymity: - all outgoing connections to the Internet are forced to go through the Tor network; - no trace is left on local storage devices unless explicitely asked. Homepage: https://amnesia.boum.org/ Get it, try it, share it! ========================= Try it! [1] Any comments are most welcome. Please note you'll need to install the CACert root certificate into your web browser before connecting to our web site... unless you use Debian. [1] https://amnesia.boum.org/download/ What's new? =========== - Tor 0.2.1.28: resolves possible remote code execution, see the Tor project blog post [2] for details - Other software upgrades fix grave bugs, most of these with serious security implications. - FireGPG and Seahorse: use the same keyserver as the one configured in `gpg.conf`. - HTP: display the logs when the clock synchronization fails. - Use the light version of the "Are you using Tor?" webpage. See the online Changelog [3] for more details. [2] https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-02128-released-security-patches [3] http://git.immerda.ch/?p=amnesia.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/changelog;hb=ref… *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Wikileaks, Friend or Foe?
by Joseph Prasad 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

A very good interview with John Young on Russia Today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRUiB_8tTc <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRUiB_8tTc>------- mentioned in the interview------ http://cryptome.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunks *--------------------------------* *The only power people exert over us, is the power we allow them to exert.* * * *http://www.projectcensored.org/* * * *http://www.thenewamerican.com/* *--------------------------------* * * ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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