July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

Lucrative update
by Patrick 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Lucrative release 4 is out. I know many people are used to seeing releases numbered like "0.000001", "0.000002", "2.0.3.0.14.657" etc. but release numbering systems are essentially arbitrary in nature so don't get excited as Lucrative goes toward version 50+. This release is a fairly minor one, but included some changes such as the client name that I wanted to get out as soon as possible. There is also a new development weblog at http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/weblog/. I went through an install with someone over IRC last night and made a blog entry summarizing the install notes. I recommend reading the notes before attempting an install. I am glad to help with an install, drop me a note at patrick(a)lfcgate.com if you have trouble. Some documentation on the various entities in the Lucrative system is now available on the website, http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/documentation.php but more is needed and coming. If Lucrative is interesting to you, please consider helping in any way you can: Feedback Installation reports Suggestions Comments Criticism Feature requests Source code patches Donations Are all very much welcomed. And criticism is more useful to me than praise. My sincere thanks to everyone who has participated so far by installing, testing, providing feedback, spreading the word, and donating. And finally I just received word from SourceForge that the project registration for Lucrative has been approved. Regards, Patrick -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBD5ECKcRBADUvjXHwLtxIyS4AyjBs/dFtN6rdeP18Fhzh1hD5fJwkFevqY9Z I1ASROTh6eXYF7pU5sEvbcPshHyTB41ZtTqZvQvpwWN0fUzOuutuI0mtC5UPp9Rz j47SdWLdEXNHjwnHDCYSyqtqZu8GujGRQybR0eP3NIh/NwbSDUKdgz7IjwCg//Jo UtjP3zUFobm/0UYA+CJ5krED/091x9Js0gwNwvjbzM8DqO+r8qNz0kXI13FkrPRk QNd37lxt6m2m8HZD1WYM2wKwtMzHSwJcWzaDZ/tNc+ppYjzpw0EQCh9FqjGs8Vau guF6PA1M8lJTCcLKaL4e7ynic+PAw5Xa/tdOYgFCG+eLMU5RLvzRCYoOLIjgMJLJ yG98BACAMlDmFVYgC/UKvzZmHfZ5CtCKd8sPfCXrYLu5NeFRE0LR6D6zjzmhi1xX okfreR5o3T/y78VBM98js+m2/+7Z0AElqydeW/RnV1zqwDGjDr9z2MgARf3yLAbs n3BU8Fz61RwvHy6cRkT+2dR2f69QQUSpkupvLwZIGX/iwm4uKLQdUGF0cmljayA8 cGF0cmlja0BsZmNnYXRlLmNvbT6JAE4EEBECAA4FAj5ECKcECwMCAQIZAQAKCRBb mvb9yuOVfaA2AKDAu5tDj9F2KI8cJMrKKkQRAcUyxACg6/bei7lUJH+E5igJqGRx SjKrRA65BA0EPkQIpxAQAPkYoH5aBmF6Q5CV3AVsh4bsYezNRR8O2OCjecbJ3HoL rOQ/40aUtjBKU9d8AhZIgLUV5SmZqZ8HdNP/46HFliBOmGW42A3uEF2rthccUdhQ yiJXQym+lehWKzh4XAvb+ExN1eOqRsz7zhfoKp0UYeOEqU/Rg4Soebbvj6dDRgjG zB13VyQ4SuLE8OiOE2eXTpITYfbb6yUOF/32mPfIfHmwch04dfv2wXPEgxEmK0Ng w+Po1gr9oSgmC66prrNlD6IAUwGgfNaroxIe+g8qzh90hE/K8xfzpEDp19J3tkIt AjbBJstoXp18mAkKjX4t7eRdefXUkk+bGI78KqdLfDL2Qle3CH8IF3KiutapQvMF 6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz0AfGy0OplK33TGSGSfgMg71l6RfUodNQ +PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRPxfx2vIPFRzBhznzJZv8V+bv9kV7HAarT W56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvNILSd5JEHNmszbDgNRR0PfIizHHxbLY72 88kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dDox0YbN4zISy1Kv884bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy 1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMIPWakXUGfnHy9iUsiGSa6q6Jew1XrPdYX AAICD/wKwtF7Y4NKBe8PQ6jDbjWziiTv9Ac/EnRTJDQEoqgLa2LyE+6Ahw/VPGvp mfxkD2MKxC9E7kYVmasn6sHnSpvAv3e7O1Bqbo/qLzzCcJQ5VCurZ+elRM1GZ4Oc fM19FPKutb0/JFEv0nrqS4BGkF7WFBbu5dKYl/GIO7Co1mAerFIb719dOwMPVEIz OT08u8uB9jyR8gEElf+CVuNfOUkrUGg4HS4SbmTTrCSz3/8n5PkquSuAyjCB/dwM ZsZwA0/TTR8sDYlmlf9xPj5PGpGnV9OUwfig6eE0eWtRFeasmz0uiX+yp45ABtNh 6EXP/PFaBgXi9omXXjeeFYfpDvmfA6izvTIQfXTV6V9ZWrBfXarM+GQ+6guXWVbd 9fXvmCr982LkzuKQrK1OpRXBMUapXL+tOy/LYzz91InqKKhgPNGa12fvotZ4LzlM iqoM+Hpz5L9B5We1Ph0lD6RBVXDCqd+P8extnY/7AaDy7tC0UghaAaUuEZXJQPIc oQ3QGbpjM0nGe/VZN5EZhljau0NNENFaU56cOpvOhcO04gLGNNc2NS+rIpTMsaHh o1CG90c5zZZJuUbyx0mIHriNQXDgEwunSZPQorKK9KSppyyjeuOyi5F/mBBPXeyT weLhLqLvAr9se/+Z3aQvMADJi8zUZtGggLTw+N9R5XSwtSh2R4kARgQYEQIABgUC PkQIpwAKCRBbmvb9yuOVfWayAKC+mBhHdn1XZ5uH0RocAyJ32hx2kgCePyhB+IqM TjWLDLarQxcPYhbkFi4= =nx1M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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<nettime> Wikileaks: Tough Love from Cryptome (Wall Street Journal)
by Patrice Riemens 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

original at: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303467004575574462119793480.h… Website for Leaked Data Shines Spotlight on WikiLeaks By JEANNE WHALEN WikiLeaks publishes top-secret documents about government and corporate intrigue. Then there is John Young, who publishes documents about WikiLeaks. >From his apartment on New York City's Upper West Side, the 70-something architect, computer buff and self-described "cypherpunk" runs a website, http://cryptome.org, that seeks to hold accountable the site that boasts of holding others to account. Mr. Young said his scrutiny is meant not to undermine WikiLeaks, but to harden it for battle. "Doing what they're doing," he said in a telephone interview, "they have to be just as tough as nails. And they can't get tough by having people praise them. They can only get tough by having people attack them." WikiLeaks has posted hundreds of thousands of classified U.S. military documents about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, with the most recent trove released last weekend. Among the posts on Mr. Young's sitewhich covers a broad range of subjectsare internal WikiLeaks emails showing the group debating strategy for attracting funds and supporters. The Cryptome posts have provocative labels such as "wikileaks-fear," "wikileaks-snitch" and "WL Hate." In a July item titled "wikileaks-buck," Cryptome published an anonymous letter from someone claiming to be a WikiLeaks insider, who complained that WikiLeaks provides "absolutely no accounting" of funds it receives and spends. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange disputes that claim, and says all the alleged "insider" posts on Cryptome are fakes. In an email, Mr. Assange called the "insider" posts on Cryptome "fabricated from top to bottom." He declined to elaborate, or to comment further on Cryptome. Mr. Young said he receives some documents anonymously, through an encrypted submission system. Asked whether some might be fake, Mr. Young said he was "agnostic on issues of fakeness." "There's no way to tell the difference between a real one and a fake in general," Mr. Young said. "So let people decide for themselves." After WikiLeaks' weekend publication of 400,000 documents about the Iraq war, Cryptome has been busy. In an Oct. 23 item, Mr. Young posted a variety of barbs about WikiLeaks, including an accusation that it holds "dramatic, rigged, press shindigs" to announce its leaks. Cryptome isn't the only one watching the watchers. A cottage industry based on scrutinizing WikiLeaks has sprung up in recent years. Wikileak.orgsingular, no "s"opines on WikiLeaks' tactics and links to articles about WikiLeaks. Wikileads.net offered "WikiLeaks buzz, news and analysis" before petering out in 2008. Media blog Gawker also posts information about Mr. Assange and company on the site wikileakileaks.org. Mr. Young founded Cryptome in 1996 as one of the Web's first repositories of leaked documents and top-secret information, publishing documents such as lists of alleged British spies and the alleged site of former Vice President Dick Cheney's famed "undisclosed location" following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on New York and Washington. Like WikiLeaks founder Mr. Assange, Mr. Young crusades for full disclosure but is stingy with details about his own life. He grew up in Texas but won't say exactly where, and declines to give his age. Mr. Young said he generates some material for Cryptome by filing Freedom of Information requests about WikiLeaks. On Aug. 9, he posted on the site a letter he said he sent to the Central Intelligence Agency "requesting information or records on Wikileaks.org, Julian Assange and others unknown associated with Wikileaks and its affiliates." The CIA couldn't immediately confirm receipt of the FOIA request. In the mid-1990s, Mr. Young said, he became acquainted with Mr. Assange through the "cypherpunks" movement, which united programmers, hackers and others interested in Internet privacy. The movement draws its name from the word "cipher," which means, among other things, a system of writing in secret code. Mr. Young said in 2006 Mr. Assange asked him to become the public face of WikiLeaks in the U.S., where he was supposed to register the wikileaks.org domain in his name. But a few months later Mr. Young fell out with the group, alleging that its goal of raising $5 million was excessive and that such sums "could not be needed so soon except for suspect purposes." Mr. Young sent a heated farewell message to a WikiLeaks Internet mailing list: "Wikileaks is a fraud: F your cute hustle and disinformation campaign against legitimate dissent. Same old s, working for the enemy," he wrote. Then he posted the messageand a stream of WikiLeaks insider emailsto Cryptome as a leak. It was the first of dozens of WikiLeaks items he has posted, their number intensifying in recent months as WikiLeaks has attracted more attention. Write to Jeanne Whalen at jeanne.whalen(a)wsj.com # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)kein.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [P2P-F] Bitcoin donation
by Samuel Rose 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp(a)lastrega.com> wrote: > Although I have misgivings about the stability of bitcoin, I support its > use. (It's the only thing out there that is completely de-linked from > official currencies and from things like precious metals, that is workable > for more than just local exchange). > To explain my perplexity on bitcoin stability, I quote from the site > cyclonite linked: > "How much is a Bitcoin worth? > > More all the time... > > As you can see, over a 4 week period, recently... > > The value of B `8?1.00B BTC (one Bitcoin), went from B US$0.06B B to > B US$0.50B B ...within only about 4 weeks. B Yes... B That was an 833% increase > in it's value. B Wow." > (http://www.bitcoinme.com/) > For me, a currency that is to be widely used, should be stable. Stable means > it doesn't go down in value, but it also doesn't go up in value excessively. > It should be roughly keeping its value. Going up as much as bitcoin > evidently does, is a form of instability that will bring disturbance to a > marketplace using bitcoin as its means of exchange. bitcoin does seem to have stabilized after that initial jump. I think the initial jump was due to the network effect of how fast the current group of adopters jumped on board and started using bitcoin. Still, this is a of course a valid point. Although, the value increase seems to have been mostly beneficial to the early adopters. But, I could see how if the system stabilized, then a new wave of adopters jumped on board, it could suddenly become very unbalanced for the initial participants if various scenarios unfold. Although, I am not sure *if* the bitcoin system would automatically inflate in an exponential way each time a new wave of participants joins the system. One real potential problem is making sure that "honest nodes" control the majority of CPU power. So far, so good. It won't be easy for anyone to spoof this system. But, if a group of people wants to intentionally attack the system, there could be problems. Bitcoin is a good candidate for complex systems models as a means to put more foresight into stability, health, etc > This instability could and should be remedied by adjusting the target total > of bitcoin creation with an algorithm that takes into account the number of > active bitcoin users. As the number of users increases, the total target > amount of bitcoins to be created (which currently is fixed at 21,000,000) > should increase, slowly creeping up to accomodate the demand of new users > for bitcoins, in a way to keep the value of one single coin roughly stable. > I do not know whether the creators of bitcoin would be willing to do this. > For me, such an adjustment will be necessary to take bitcoin from > experimental status to widely-used alternative means of payment status. Sepp, this is a great point. One of the nice things about bitcoin is that it is F/LOSS, so it is ultimately fork-able. If bad decisions are made about the growth, the project could be forked, a different governance scheme could be implemented, etc. I don't yet know enough about bitcoin to be 100% sure, but the system at least for the time being does seem to have stabilized (it could simply mean that participation has stabilized). Bit coin claims: "Once a predetermined number of coins have entered circulation, the incentive can transition entirely to transaction fees and be completely inflation free." And yes Michel, I will post this on the blog and in wiki :) > Kind regards > Sepp > > > > > On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:44 AM, Samuel Rose wrote: > > Cyclonite, personally I am ready to work with bitcoin today, although > the rest of p2pf may not be, which I'll respect > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cyclonite <cyclonite(a)safe-mail.net> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I think there is some kind of misunderstanding here, you do not need to > manually generate any kind of public/private keys as with OpenPGP. > > You can even sign up in a website as mybitcoin.com and start making or > receiving donations. > > In my opinion the best available info for beginners is http://bitcoinme.com. > Please take a look and you will get your doubts clear. > > Best regards, > > Cyclonite. > > -- > > Secure Email contact: https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg > > Bitcoin donations jar: 16FVZweaaJLvhAy91oDugqaf84kXiDJ9PG > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> > > To: james burke <lifesized(a)gmail.com> > > Cc: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>, cyclonite(a)safe-mail.net, > p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org>, Sepp Hasslberger > <sepp(a)lastrega.com>, Georg Pleger <g.pleger(a)yahoo.de> > > Subject: Re: Bitcoin donation > > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:30:23 -0500 > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:54 AM, james burke <lifesized(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Michel, > > Yes, I do have a public key, but yet again, > > another nice idea with terrible interaction design and userbility > > - most people have no clue about public private keys, so this keeps it a > > geek thing > > I agree, although as far as I can see, the application at least takes > > care of this for the user. Still, your point is valid in that some > > people may not understand what is happening. > > > Most of the users of bitcoin now are early adopters, however. So, if > > p2pf did support donation via bitcoin, it would be joining an ecology > > of early adopters, and would likely only receive donation from those > > early adopters. > > - the actual app upon launch is unclear. Where to click, what to do,gah! > > I can't really support this even if it is a p2p solution. > > James > > > Seems reasonable. If p2pf changes it's mind, I'm willing to > > participate in any experiments with bitcoin > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > James, > > do you have a public key? > > Michel > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > This is a p2p application, so we would need to post your's or James's > > public key, and people who want to donate bitcoins would need then > > send you the bitcoins by downloading the bitcoin application and > > sending it to you > > quote: > > "Bitcoin utilizes public/private key digital signatures (ECDSA). A > > coin has its owner's public key on it. When a coin is transferred from > > user A to user B, A adds Bbs public key to the coin and signs it with > > his own private key. Now B owns the coin and can transfer it further. > > To prevent A from transferring the already used coin to another user > > C, a public list of all the previous transactions is collectively > > maintained by the network of Bitcoin nodes, and before each > > transaction the coinbs unusedness will be checked." > > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens > > <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Sam, can you help us install it on the wiki and blog? > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > I've downloaded and installed and am game to try with p2pf network > > folks. > > This could actually be really useful for lots of local economy efforts > > too. > > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Michel Bauwens > > <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Dear, > > thanks a lot for this email, > > it seems that it is worthwhile for us to experiment with this, but I > > will > > forward this to James Burke for possible implementation > > James, I think we should do this, what doB you think? > > Michel > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <cyclonite(a)safe-mail.net> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear friends, > > I have been looking in your site for any reference to Bitcoin for > > making a > > small donation. > > As B you B probably B know, B Bitcoin B (bitcoin.org) B is B a B new kind > > of a > > P2P > > crypto-currency in which the general public can B make donations, > > macro > > B or > > micropayments B in B a B secure B and B anonymous B way B usually > > B without > > B any > > transaction fee involved. > > You can change Bitcoins for real money (eg: https://mtgox.com) or > > purchase > > services or goods in an increasing number of sites. > > In B order to B receive B donations you B only have B to B publish B one > > B of > > your > > accounts B as generated B by the B bitcoin client B or any specialized > > bitcoin > > trader (eg: mybitcoin.com) > > Currently B some B projects B as B www.i2p2.de, > > B www.torrentservers.net > > and > > organizations like the EFF are accepting donations. > > In B my B opinion B this B kind B of decentralized solution without the > > need > > to > > trust B any B middlemen B is much better than B Paypal, Visa or > > Mastercard > > for > > security-minded people as most of your donors are. > > If B you B are B interested in B pushing B Bitcoin forward, B do not > > hesitate > > to > > contact me if you have any doubt. > > Yours, > > Cyclonite > > -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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<nettime> Wikileaks: Tough Love from Cryptome (Wall Street Journal)
by Patrice Riemens 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

original at: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303467004575574462119793480.h… Website for Leaked Data Shines Spotlight on WikiLeaks By JEANNE WHALEN WikiLeaks publishes top-secret documents about government and corporate intrigue. Then there is John Young, who publishes documents about WikiLeaks. >From his apartment on New York City's Upper West Side, the 70-something architect, computer buff and self-described "cypherpunk" runs a website, http://cryptome.org, that seeks to hold accountable the site that boasts of holding others to account. Mr. Young said his scrutiny is meant not to undermine WikiLeaks, but to harden it for battle. "Doing what they're doing," he said in a telephone interview, "they have to be just as tough as nails. And they can't get tough by having people praise them. They can only get tough by having people attack them." WikiLeaks has posted hundreds of thousands of classified U.S. military documents about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, with the most recent trove released last weekend. Among the posts on Mr. Young's sitewhich covers a broad range of subjectsare internal WikiLeaks emails showing the group debating strategy for attracting funds and supporters. The Cryptome posts have provocative labels such as "wikileaks-fear," "wikileaks-snitch" and "WL Hate." In a July item titled "wikileaks-buck," Cryptome published an anonymous letter from someone claiming to be a WikiLeaks insider, who complained that WikiLeaks provides "absolutely no accounting" of funds it receives and spends. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange disputes that claim, and says all the alleged "insider" posts on Cryptome are fakes. In an email, Mr. Assange called the "insider" posts on Cryptome "fabricated from top to bottom." He declined to elaborate, or to comment further on Cryptome. Mr. Young said he receives some documents anonymously, through an encrypted submission system. Asked whether some might be fake, Mr. Young said he was "agnostic on issues of fakeness." "There's no way to tell the difference between a real one and a fake in general," Mr. Young said. "So let people decide for themselves." After WikiLeaks' weekend publication of 400,000 documents about the Iraq war, Cryptome has been busy. In an Oct. 23 item, Mr. Young posted a variety of barbs about WikiLeaks, including an accusation that it holds "dramatic, rigged, press shindigs" to announce its leaks. Cryptome isn't the only one watching the watchers. A cottage industry based on scrutinizing WikiLeaks has sprung up in recent years. Wikileak.orgsingular, no "s"opines on WikiLeaks' tactics and links to articles about WikiLeaks. Wikileads.net offered "WikiLeaks buzz, news and analysis" before petering out in 2008. Media blog Gawker also posts information about Mr. Assange and company on the site wikileakileaks.org. Mr. Young founded Cryptome in 1996 as one of the Web's first repositories of leaked documents and top-secret information, publishing documents such as lists of alleged British spies and the alleged site of former Vice President Dick Cheney's famed "undisclosed location" following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on New York and Washington. Like WikiLeaks founder Mr. Assange, Mr. Young crusades for full disclosure but is stingy with details about his own life. He grew up in Texas but won't say exactly where, and declines to give his age. Mr. Young said he generates some material for Cryptome by filing Freedom of Information requests about WikiLeaks. On Aug. 9, he posted on the site a letter he said he sent to the Central Intelligence Agency "requesting information or records on Wikileaks.org, Julian Assange and others unknown associated with Wikileaks and its affiliates." The CIA couldn't immediately confirm receipt of the FOIA request. In the mid-1990s, Mr. Young said, he became acquainted with Mr. Assange through the "cypherpunks" movement, which united programmers, hackers and others interested in Internet privacy. The movement draws its name from the word "cipher," which means, among other things, a system of writing in secret code. Mr. Young said in 2006 Mr. Assange asked him to become the public face of WikiLeaks in the U.S., where he was supposed to register the wikileaks.org domain in his name. But a few months later Mr. Young fell out with the group, alleging that its goal of raising $5 million was excessive and that such sums "could not be needed so soon except for suspect purposes." Mr. Young sent a heated farewell message to a WikiLeaks Internet mailing list: "Wikileaks is a fraud: F your cute hustle and disinformation campaign against legitimate dissent. Same old s, working for the enemy," he wrote. Then he posted the messageand a stream of WikiLeaks insider emailsto Cryptome as a leak. It was the first of dozens of WikiLeaks items he has posted, their number intensifying in recent months as WikiLeaks has attracted more attention. Write to Jeanne Whalen at jeanne.whalen(a)wsj.com # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)kein.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [P2P-F] Bitcoin donation
by Samuel Rose 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp(a)lastrega.com> wrote: > Although I have misgivings about the stability of bitcoin, I support its > use. (It's the only thing out there that is completely de-linked from > official currencies and from things like precious metals, that is workable > for more than just local exchange). > To explain my perplexity on bitcoin stability, I quote from the site > cyclonite linked: > "How much is a Bitcoin worth? > > More all the time... > > As you can see, over a 4 week period, recently... > > The value of B `8?1.00B BTC (one Bitcoin), went from B US$0.06B B to > B US$0.50B B ...within only about 4 weeks. B Yes... B That was an 833% increase > in it's value. B Wow." > (http://www.bitcoinme.com/) > For me, a currency that is to be widely used, should be stable. Stable means > it doesn't go down in value, but it also doesn't go up in value excessively. > It should be roughly keeping its value. Going up as much as bitcoin > evidently does, is a form of instability that will bring disturbance to a > marketplace using bitcoin as its means of exchange. bitcoin does seem to have stabilized after that initial jump. I think the initial jump was due to the network effect of how fast the current group of adopters jumped on board and started using bitcoin. Still, this is a of course a valid point. Although, the value increase seems to have been mostly beneficial to the early adopters. But, I could see how if the system stabilized, then a new wave of adopters jumped on board, it could suddenly become very unbalanced for the initial participants if various scenarios unfold. Although, I am not sure *if* the bitcoin system would automatically inflate in an exponential way each time a new wave of participants joins the system. One real potential problem is making sure that "honest nodes" control the majority of CPU power. So far, so good. It won't be easy for anyone to spoof this system. But, if a group of people wants to intentionally attack the system, there could be problems. Bitcoin is a good candidate for complex systems models as a means to put more foresight into stability, health, etc > This instability could and should be remedied by adjusting the target total > of bitcoin creation with an algorithm that takes into account the number of > active bitcoin users. As the number of users increases, the total target > amount of bitcoins to be created (which currently is fixed at 21,000,000) > should increase, slowly creeping up to accomodate the demand of new users > for bitcoins, in a way to keep the value of one single coin roughly stable. > I do not know whether the creators of bitcoin would be willing to do this. > For me, such an adjustment will be necessary to take bitcoin from > experimental status to widely-used alternative means of payment status. Sepp, this is a great point. One of the nice things about bitcoin is that it is F/LOSS, so it is ultimately fork-able. If bad decisions are made about the growth, the project could be forked, a different governance scheme could be implemented, etc. I don't yet know enough about bitcoin to be 100% sure, but the system at least for the time being does seem to have stabilized (it could simply mean that participation has stabilized). Bit coin claims: "Once a predetermined number of coins have entered circulation, the incentive can transition entirely to transaction fees and be completely inflation free." And yes Michel, I will post this on the blog and in wiki :) > Kind regards > Sepp > > > > > On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:44 AM, Samuel Rose wrote: > > Cyclonite, personally I am ready to work with bitcoin today, although > the rest of p2pf may not be, which I'll respect > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cyclonite <cyclonite(a)safe-mail.net> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I think there is some kind of misunderstanding here, you do not need to > manually generate any kind of public/private keys as with OpenPGP. > > You can even sign up in a website as mybitcoin.com and start making or > receiving donations. > > In my opinion the best available info for beginners is http://bitcoinme.com. > Please take a look and you will get your doubts clear. > > Best regards, > > Cyclonite. > > -- > > Secure Email contact: https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg > > Bitcoin donations jar: 16FVZweaaJLvhAy91oDugqaf84kXiDJ9PG > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> > > To: james burke <lifesized(a)gmail.com> > > Cc: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>, cyclonite(a)safe-mail.net, > p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org>, Sepp Hasslberger > <sepp(a)lastrega.com>, Georg Pleger <g.pleger(a)yahoo.de> > > Subject: Re: Bitcoin donation > > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:30:23 -0500 > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:54 AM, james burke <lifesized(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Michel, > > Yes, I do have a public key, but yet again, > > another nice idea with terrible interaction design and userbility > > - most people have no clue about public private keys, so this keeps it a > > geek thing > > I agree, although as far as I can see, the application at least takes > > care of this for the user. Still, your point is valid in that some > > people may not understand what is happening. > > > Most of the users of bitcoin now are early adopters, however. So, if > > p2pf did support donation via bitcoin, it would be joining an ecology > > of early adopters, and would likely only receive donation from those > > early adopters. > > - the actual app upon launch is unclear. Where to click, what to do,gah! > > I can't really support this even if it is a p2p solution. > > James > > > Seems reasonable. If p2pf changes it's mind, I'm willing to > > participate in any experiments with bitcoin > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > James, > > do you have a public key? > > Michel > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > This is a p2p application, so we would need to post your's or James's > > public key, and people who want to donate bitcoins would need then > > send you the bitcoins by downloading the bitcoin application and > > sending it to you > > quote: > > "Bitcoin utilizes public/private key digital signatures (ECDSA). A > > coin has its owner's public key on it. When a coin is transferred from > > user A to user B, A adds Bbs public key to the coin and signs it with > > his own private key. Now B owns the coin and can transfer it further. > > To prevent A from transferring the already used coin to another user > > C, a public list of all the previous transactions is collectively > > maintained by the network of Bitcoin nodes, and before each > > transaction the coinbs unusedness will be checked." > > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens > > <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Sam, can you help us install it on the wiki and blog? > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > I've downloaded and installed and am game to try with p2pf network > > folks. > > This could actually be really useful for lots of local economy efforts > > too. > > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Michel Bauwens > > <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Dear, > > thanks a lot for this email, > > it seems that it is worthwhile for us to experiment with this, but I > > will > > forward this to James Burke for possible implementation > > James, I think we should do this, what doB you think? > > Michel > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <cyclonite(a)safe-mail.net> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear friends, > > I have been looking in your site for any reference to Bitcoin for > > making a > > small donation. > > As B you B probably B know, B Bitcoin B (bitcoin.org) B is B a B new kind > > of a > > P2P > > crypto-currency in which the general public can B make donations, > > macro > > B or > > micropayments B in B a B secure B and B anonymous B way B usually > > B without > > B any > > transaction fee involved. > > You can change Bitcoins for real money (eg: https://mtgox.com) or > > purchase > > services or goods in an increasing number of sites. > > In B order to B receive B donations you B only have B to B publish B one > > B of > > your > > accounts B as generated B by the B bitcoin client B or any specialized > > bitcoin > > trader (eg: mybitcoin.com) > > Currently B some B projects B as B www.i2p2.de, > > B www.torrentservers.net > > and > > organizations like the EFF are accepting donations. > > In B my B opinion B this B kind B of decentralized solution without the > > need > > to > > trust B any B middlemen B is much better than B Paypal, Visa or > > Mastercard > > for > > security-minded people as most of your donors are. > > If B you B are B interested in B pushing B Bitcoin forward, B do not > > hesitate > > to > > contact me if you have any doubt. > > Yours, > > Cyclonite > > -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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FC: Frank Sudia's proposal: Let's revive encryption key escrow
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Frank Sudia's bio says that he is a programmer, a lawyer, a public policy analyst, and a co-founder of the CertCo encryption company, formerly part of Bankers Trust. He is also the creator of the "Bankers Trust Corporate Key Escrow System." His paper (see the link below) is a suggestion for a route for Congress to take if they "decided to require all encryption systems to be readable by authorized legal authorities." -Declan ********** From: "Frank Sudia" <fsudia(a)home.com> Saturday: September 15, 2001 02:14 AM To: <info(a)security-policy.org> <mailbox(a)gregg.senate.gov> "Dorothy Denning" <denning(a)cs.cosc.georgetown.edu> "Stewart Baker" <SBaker(a)steptoe.com> Subject: Encryption and the Restoration of National Sovereignty Dear Policy Professional, In response to the Attack on America, I have drawn upon my extensive work in secure banking systems, key escrow systems, and patent licensing to bring you the following white paper (about 10 pages of text). Frank W. Sudia, JD, "Encryption and the Restoration of National Sovereignty: Proposal for an Escrow Patent Pool Corporation," September 14, 2001. http://www.sudialab.com/sov-eppc.htm. While at Bankers Trust (1991-98) I designed one of the largest encryption systems in the world, the Global Trust Organization. Chartered in 1999 as Identrus LLC (www.identrus.com) it now includes 50 of the world's largest banks. In my view, encryption policy options are poorly understood. The power of government to protect the nation should not be in doubt, yet the debate has been skewed by the claims of opponents that such systems will not or cannot work. In reality, it would be straightforward to build a system that is much more secure than the current banking system. However, this has not been done, and cannot be done, because complex patent problems must be resolved. Before anything serious and believable can ever be built, even on a test basis, we must aggregate the required patents into product pools, using government money and eminent domain powers, if necessary. And we must fund the development of prototypes. Only after viability has been established can the commercial sector move forward with products that are highly secure and credible. For further information, please do not hesitate to contact me. If you are a contact or friend of mine, I would appreciate comments, which will be acknowledged in any future version. Regards, Frank Sudia www.SudiaLab.com 415-648-7415 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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Lucrative update
by Patrick 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Lucrative release 4 is out. I know many people are used to seeing releases numbered like "0.000001", "0.000002", "2.0.3.0.14.657" etc. but release numbering systems are essentially arbitrary in nature so don't get excited as Lucrative goes toward version 50+. This release is a fairly minor one, but included some changes such as the client name that I wanted to get out as soon as possible. There is also a new development weblog at http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/weblog/. I went through an install with someone over IRC last night and made a blog entry summarizing the install notes. I recommend reading the notes before attempting an install. I am glad to help with an install, drop me a note at patrick(a)lfcgate.com if you have trouble. Some documentation on the various entities in the Lucrative system is now available on the website, http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/documentation.php but more is needed and coming. If Lucrative is interesting to you, please consider helping in any way you can: Feedback Installation reports Suggestions Comments Criticism Feature requests Source code patches Donations Are all very much welcomed. And criticism is more useful to me than praise. My sincere thanks to everyone who has participated so far by installing, testing, providing feedback, spreading the word, and donating. And finally I just received word from SourceForge that the project registration for Lucrative has been approved. Regards, Patrick -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBD5ECKcRBADUvjXHwLtxIyS4AyjBs/dFtN6rdeP18Fhzh1hD5fJwkFevqY9Z I1ASROTh6eXYF7pU5sEvbcPshHyTB41ZtTqZvQvpwWN0fUzOuutuI0mtC5UPp9Rz j47SdWLdEXNHjwnHDCYSyqtqZu8GujGRQybR0eP3NIh/NwbSDUKdgz7IjwCg//Jo UtjP3zUFobm/0UYA+CJ5krED/091x9Js0gwNwvjbzM8DqO+r8qNz0kXI13FkrPRk QNd37lxt6m2m8HZD1WYM2wKwtMzHSwJcWzaDZ/tNc+ppYjzpw0EQCh9FqjGs8Vau guF6PA1M8lJTCcLKaL4e7ynic+PAw5Xa/tdOYgFCG+eLMU5RLvzRCYoOLIjgMJLJ yG98BACAMlDmFVYgC/UKvzZmHfZ5CtCKd8sPfCXrYLu5NeFRE0LR6D6zjzmhi1xX okfreR5o3T/y78VBM98js+m2/+7Z0AElqydeW/RnV1zqwDGjDr9z2MgARf3yLAbs n3BU8Fz61RwvHy6cRkT+2dR2f69QQUSpkupvLwZIGX/iwm4uKLQdUGF0cmljayA8 cGF0cmlja0BsZmNnYXRlLmNvbT6JAE4EEBECAA4FAj5ECKcECwMCAQIZAQAKCRBb mvb9yuOVfaA2AKDAu5tDj9F2KI8cJMrKKkQRAcUyxACg6/bei7lUJH+E5igJqGRx SjKrRA65BA0EPkQIpxAQAPkYoH5aBmF6Q5CV3AVsh4bsYezNRR8O2OCjecbJ3HoL rOQ/40aUtjBKU9d8AhZIgLUV5SmZqZ8HdNP/46HFliBOmGW42A3uEF2rthccUdhQ yiJXQym+lehWKzh4XAvb+ExN1eOqRsz7zhfoKp0UYeOEqU/Rg4Soebbvj6dDRgjG zB13VyQ4SuLE8OiOE2eXTpITYfbb6yUOF/32mPfIfHmwch04dfv2wXPEgxEmK0Ng w+Po1gr9oSgmC66prrNlD6IAUwGgfNaroxIe+g8qzh90hE/K8xfzpEDp19J3tkIt AjbBJstoXp18mAkKjX4t7eRdefXUkk+bGI78KqdLfDL2Qle3CH8IF3KiutapQvMF 6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz0AfGy0OplK33TGSGSfgMg71l6RfUodNQ +PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRPxfx2vIPFRzBhznzJZv8V+bv9kV7HAarT W56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvNILSd5JEHNmszbDgNRR0PfIizHHxbLY72 88kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dDox0YbN4zISy1Kv884bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy 1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMIPWakXUGfnHy9iUsiGSa6q6Jew1XrPdYX AAICD/wKwtF7Y4NKBe8PQ6jDbjWziiTv9Ac/EnRTJDQEoqgLa2LyE+6Ahw/VPGvp mfxkD2MKxC9E7kYVmasn6sHnSpvAv3e7O1Bqbo/qLzzCcJQ5VCurZ+elRM1GZ4Oc fM19FPKutb0/JFEv0nrqS4BGkF7WFBbu5dKYl/GIO7Co1mAerFIb719dOwMPVEIz OT08u8uB9jyR8gEElf+CVuNfOUkrUGg4HS4SbmTTrCSz3/8n5PkquSuAyjCB/dwM ZsZwA0/TTR8sDYlmlf9xPj5PGpGnV9OUwfig6eE0eWtRFeasmz0uiX+yp45ABtNh 6EXP/PFaBgXi9omXXjeeFYfpDvmfA6izvTIQfXTV6V9ZWrBfXarM+GQ+6guXWVbd 9fXvmCr982LkzuKQrK1OpRXBMUapXL+tOy/LYzz91InqKKhgPNGa12fvotZ4LzlM iqoM+Hpz5L9B5We1Ph0lD6RBVXDCqd+P8extnY/7AaDy7tC0UghaAaUuEZXJQPIc oQ3QGbpjM0nGe/VZN5EZhljau0NNENFaU56cOpvOhcO04gLGNNc2NS+rIpTMsaHh o1CG90c5zZZJuUbyx0mIHriNQXDgEwunSZPQorKK9KSppyyjeuOyi5F/mBBPXeyT weLhLqLvAr9se/+Z3aQvMADJi8zUZtGggLTw+N9R5XSwtSh2R4kARgQYEQIABgUC PkQIpwAKCRBbmvb9yuOVfWayAKC+mBhHdn1XZ5uH0RocAyJ32hx2kgCePyhB+IqM TjWLDLarQxcPYhbkFi4= =nx1M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Entertainingly dangerous spam - Access and use your PC from anywhere
by None 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> I received the following entertaining spam message. > Their product > "allows you to securely access and use your office computer > from any Web browser anytime, anywhere." > I wonder who else it allows to access from any web browser, anywhere :-) > [..] > GoToMyPC allows you to securely access and use your office computer from > any Web browser anytime, anywhere. > > TELEWORKERS: Work on your office computer from home, easily and securely, > with just an Internet connection. > TRAVELERS: Access and use your computer and files from hotels, airports, > Internet cafes anywhere with Web access. > AFTER-HOURS ACCESS: Access and use your office desktop, email and other > corporate resources after hours from any location connected to the Internet. > DEMONSTRATIONS: Invite your prospective buyers to remotely view your > computer screen for on-the-fly demos. > > Download The Free Trial Now! [..] Doesn't M$ XPlode offer this 'funtionality', ostensibly so your friends can remotely show you how to perform certain tasks with the OS?

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Re: Entertainingly dangerous spam - Access and use your PC from anywhere
by None 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> I received the following entertaining spam message. > Their product > "allows you to securely access and use your office computer > from any Web browser anytime, anywhere." > I wonder who else it allows to access from any web browser, anywhere :-) > [..] > GoToMyPC allows you to securely access and use your office computer from > any Web browser anytime, anywhere. > > TELEWORKERS: Work on your office computer from home, easily and securely, > with just an Internet connection. > TRAVELERS: Access and use your computer and files from hotels, airports, > Internet cafes anywhere with Web access. > AFTER-HOURS ACCESS: Access and use your office desktop, email and other > corporate resources after hours from any location connected to the Internet. > DEMONSTRATIONS: Invite your prospective buyers to remotely view your > computer screen for on-the-fly demos. > > Download The Free Trial Now! [..] Doesn't M$ XPlode offer this 'funtionality', ostensibly so your friends can remotely show you how to perform certain tasks with the OS?

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Re: Entertainingly dangerous spam - Access and use your PC from anywhere
by None 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> I received the following entertaining spam message. > Their product > "allows you to securely access and use your office computer > from any Web browser anytime, anywhere." > I wonder who else it allows to access from any web browser, anywhere :-) > [..] > GoToMyPC allows you to securely access and use your office computer from > any Web browser anytime, anywhere. > > TELEWORKERS: Work on your office computer from home, easily and securely, > with just an Internet connection. > TRAVELERS: Access and use your computer and files from hotels, airports, > Internet cafes anywhere with Web access. > AFTER-HOURS ACCESS: Access and use your office desktop, email and other > corporate resources after hours from any location connected to the Internet. > DEMONSTRATIONS: Invite your prospective buyers to remotely view your > computer screen for on-the-fly demos. > > Download The Free Trial Now! [..] Doesn't M$ XPlode offer this 'funtionality', ostensibly so your friends can remotely show you how to perform certain tasks with the OS?

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