July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

[tahoe-dev] Resurrecting Mojo Nation
by Jack Byer 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

>> Do you think the more broader scope of Mojo Nation as a platform for >> market based allocated of computing resources is unworkable in >> principle or was it just a matter of being too ambitious for its time >> and/or poorly managed as a project? > >Level 1: Tahoe-LAFS as it currently exists. One set of storage servers >constitutes a grid. The administrator(s) authorize someone to run a >storage server by sharing the introducer furl with them. This same act >is also necessary and sufficient to authorize someone to run a storage >*client*. > >Level 2: the first results from Brian's imminent Accounting project. ... > >Hey, wait a second. Could we have this conversation on the tahoe-dev >mailing list? Just subscribe to it and post your question above. >Thanks! :-) > >Regards, > >Zooko Hello, all. My name is Jack and I am a non-coding Linux geek with an interest in economics. I was an avid Slashdot reader when the Mojo Nation project was announced and was very excited by the idea. My takeaway from the project was that it was about using market economics to allocate computing resources. Unfortunately it didn't work out but parts of it still live on, such as this project. Recently on the Bitcoin forums the idea came up to form a digital currency-based filesharing network and that thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86384.0) reminded me of MN, leading to a discussion of whether or not it would be practical to bring back the idea of a market-based computing resource allocation. This isn't the first time a combination of Bitcoin and tahoe-lafs has been suggested but I'd like to ask a different question than just whether or not is makes sense to use bitcoins to pay people for storage. Is it practical to go back to the original goal of MN instead of a limited subset if the reasons for the project's failure are addressed? From what I can tell the pricing mechanism of MN was broken because it didn't really have a market. A market needs independent decision-making agents bidding against each other to resolve conflicting goals and MN didn't have that. It's not realistic to expect users to sit in front of a screen all day and daytrade Mojo in order to achieve price discovery. Now, ten years later, automated trading algorithms are common so perhaps it would be possible for a network to use dynamic pricing to allocate hard drive space, bandwidth, and CPU power. Are there any fundamental reason why a system like Mojo Nation couldn't work now that certain capabilities are available that weren't a decade ago? Jack _______________________________________________ tahoe-dev mailing list tahoe-dev(a)tahoe-lafs.org https://tahoe-lafs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tahoe-dev ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [linux-elitists] LOCAL Mountain View, California, USA: events this week
by Seth David Schoen 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Don Marti writes: > Wednesday night: > Seth Schoen fixes TCPA, saves Freedom: > http://www.sdforum.org/p/calEvent.asp?CID=1182 Sorry that didn't happen. And I still haven't fixed TCPA. Intel has posted its Policy Statement on LaGrande Technology: ftp://download.intel.com/technology/security/downloads/LT_policy_statement_… 8.pdf LaGrande is in the interstices between TCG and NGSCB. TCG has not specified a secure I/O path or "curtained memory" as required by NGSCB. LaGrande does, so it effectively provides the complete hardware support NGSCB would need. (AMD has a similar project called SEM, which I know very little about other than that it is supposed to do similar things and at least one of the people working on it is exceptionally honest.) Anyway, Intel wants your comments on the LT policy. The thing that jumps out at me (as the author of "Trusted Computing: Promise and Risk") is that Intel thinks that opt-out or opt-in can solve the problems of attestation. This is the official view of a lot of trusted computing proponents. The defects of this view are difficult to describe and are complicated by the fact that some trusted computing critics don't believe that LT (or TCG or NGSCB) will actually provide an opt-out. (I do believe this.) The root of the difficulty is that, in the nature of attestation, you can be _punished_ for opting out (beyond the scope of simply not enjoying particular features to which what you opted out of is technically necessary). For example, if you have a feature with privacy implications like What's Related in browsers, you can opt of using What's Related and the only penalty will be that you won't see what's related to the sites you're looking at. Or if you don't like Microsoft's software updates, you can opt out of those and the only penalty will be that your software won't be patched. (This is actually a somewhat thorny issue since no other sources of patches to Microsoft software have so far arisen.) But in most other cases with which we're familiar, opting out has a relatively narrow effect, and there is fairly little leverage to punish you for having done so. At least, that's true of opt-out features in the context of technology choices; it might not be true in some off-line situations. In the nature of attestation and its effect on interoperability, though, opting out of attestation might be ruinous for your hopes of communicating with others. If they can be induced to use proprietary protocols or file formats, opting out may lead to a permanent inability to exchange data with them. Opting in, by the same token, could lead to a permanent loss of software choice (and the effective inability to reverse engineer or repair your software) at least during the particular periods of time when you want to communicate with other people or manipulate what they sent you. Opt-in can't undo the harmful network effects attestation will produce for competition and for all computer owners. Anyway, that's what I plan to tell Intel, in somewhat more detail, sometime before December 31. And remember: [T]rusted computing systems fundamentally alter trust relationships. Legitimate concerns about trusted computing are not limited to one area, such as consumer privacy or copyright issues. -- Seth David Schoen <schoen(a)loyalty.org> | Very frankly, I am opposed to people http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | being programmed by others. http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | -- Fred Rogers (1928-2003), | 464 U.S. 417, 445 (1984) _______________________________________________ linux-elitists http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: [tor-talk] "If you have access to certain tools, you can completely ignore Tor."
by Jacob Appelbaum 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

On 12/19/2011 08:59 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:02:37 -0600 > Joe Btfsplk <joebtfsplk(a)gmx.com> wrote: >> Under current US & other nations' laws, it's possible that gov'ts >> have already forced developers of any software - incl. Tor - to put >> in backdoors. And in fact, say it's illegal for the devs of any >> software to outright disclose such. > > https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#Backdoor. If we're forced > to put one in someday, we'll make it obvious and loud that it is so. > The world will be in a sad state if this comes true. A forced backdoor > in Tor will be the least of your problems. > No Backdoors. No bugdoors. No so-called "lawful interception" systems. As another person working on Tor - I'll be more direct and less ambiguous: If anyone ever even *tries* to force us to insert a backdoor, we'd tell the world. We won't every compromise the security of Tor and we will never insert a backdoor. Never. We must reject these so-called "compromises" for so-called "lawful interception" and we must fight against their deployment everywhere. They are harmful to everyone - including those that use them legitimately - just ask the Greek phone operator who was suicided after the Great Greek Vodafone Backdoor was found. >> I don't know that it has happened w/ Tor, but it certainly has in >> other cases. If you want true anonymity, don't use the internet, > > I parse this as the 'abstinence model of Internets'. It doesn't work for > sex education, addictive substances, and it's unlikely to work for > anyone in a modern society. We need a better answer than 'all or > nothing'. We're trying to make Tor one of these better answers. > Indeed. The abstinence model is a punt. That model claims that the world exists outside of the internet and for most people it does not. It's also a claim that the "non-internet" world offers "true anonymity" and it does not. All the best, Jacob _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk(a)lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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"Nuremberg Files"-type case involving Conservatives wanting
by dburt＠n2h2.com 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Leftist "Wanted List" Removed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:59 -0800 To: <mnemonic(a)well.com>, <declan(a)well.com>, <volokh(a)law.ucla.edu> I'd like to hear what the Oregon branch of the ACLU thinks about this, after they advocating closing "The Nuremberg Files": Attorney Calls on Justice Dept to Close Hate Site By Lawrence Morahan CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A prominent First Amendment lawyer called on the U.S. Justice Department to conduct an immediate investigation of an Internet site that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people who oppose homosexual activism. The web site, usqueers.com, is in violation of state and federal law for advocating the murder of specific individuals, including former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Strom Thurmond, First Amendment attorney John B. Thompson said. "This is clearly left-wing domestic terrorism which Justice [Department officials] and the FBI must move on immediately with a shut down of the site and an arrest of B. Allen Ross, who operates the site from San Diego," Thompson said in a Nov. 25 letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200111/CUL2001… Website Urges Death for 'Heterosexual Supremacists' By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A former U.S. president and a sitting U.S. senator are among the targets of a website that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people it describes as heterosexual supremacists. Former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) are among those described as "het supremacists" by usQueers.com. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200111\CUL2001… ----------------------------------- David Burt, Public Relations N2H2, Inc. E-mail:dburt@n2h2.com Web: http://www.n2h2.com Address: 900 4th Avenue, Suite 3600 Seattle, WA 98164 Office Phone: 206 892-1130 Cell Phone: 206 915-1283 Fax: 509 271-4226 ----------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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"Nuremberg Files"-type case involving Conservatives wanting
by dburt＠n2h2.com 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Leftist "Wanted List" Removed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:59 -0800 To: <mnemonic(a)well.com>, <declan(a)well.com>, <volokh(a)law.ucla.edu> I'd like to hear what the Oregon branch of the ACLU thinks about this, after they advocating closing "The Nuremberg Files": Attorney Calls on Justice Dept to Close Hate Site By Lawrence Morahan CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A prominent First Amendment lawyer called on the U.S. Justice Department to conduct an immediate investigation of an Internet site that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people who oppose homosexual activism. The web site, usqueers.com, is in violation of state and federal law for advocating the murder of specific individuals, including former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Strom Thurmond, First Amendment attorney John B. Thompson said. "This is clearly left-wing domestic terrorism which Justice [Department officials] and the FBI must move on immediately with a shut down of the site and an arrest of B. Allen Ross, who operates the site from San Diego," Thompson said in a Nov. 25 letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200111/CUL2001… Website Urges Death for 'Heterosexual Supremacists' By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A former U.S. president and a sitting U.S. senator are among the targets of a website that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people it describes as heterosexual supremacists. Former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) are among those described as "het supremacists" by usQueers.com. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200111\CUL2001… ----------------------------------- David Burt, Public Relations N2H2, Inc. E-mail:dburt@n2h2.com Web: http://www.n2h2.com Address: 900 4th Avenue, Suite 3600 Seattle, WA 98164 Office Phone: 206 892-1130 Cell Phone: 206 915-1283 Fax: 509 271-4226 ----------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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"Nuremberg Files"-type case involving Conservatives wanting
by dburt＠n2h2.com 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Leftist "Wanted List" Removed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:59 -0800 To: <mnemonic(a)well.com>, <declan(a)well.com>, <volokh(a)law.ucla.edu> I'd like to hear what the Oregon branch of the ACLU thinks about this, after they advocating closing "The Nuremberg Files": Attorney Calls on Justice Dept to Close Hate Site By Lawrence Morahan CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A prominent First Amendment lawyer called on the U.S. Justice Department to conduct an immediate investigation of an Internet site that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people who oppose homosexual activism. The web site, usqueers.com, is in violation of state and federal law for advocating the murder of specific individuals, including former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Strom Thurmond, First Amendment attorney John B. Thompson said. "This is clearly left-wing domestic terrorism which Justice [Department officials] and the FBI must move on immediately with a shut down of the site and an arrest of B. Allen Ross, who operates the site from San Diego," Thompson said in a Nov. 25 letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200111/CUL2001… Website Urges Death for 'Heterosexual Supremacists' By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A former U.S. president and a sitting U.S. senator are among the targets of a website that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people it describes as heterosexual supremacists. Former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) are among those described as "het supremacists" by usQueers.com. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200111\CUL2001… ----------------------------------- David Burt, Public Relations N2H2, Inc. E-mail:dburt@n2h2.com Web: http://www.n2h2.com Address: 900 4th Avenue, Suite 3600 Seattle, WA 98164 Office Phone: 206 892-1130 Cell Phone: 206 915-1283 Fax: 509 271-4226 ----------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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"Nuremberg Files"-type case involving Conservatives wanting
by dburt＠n2h2.com 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Leftist "Wanted List" Removed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:59 -0800 To: <mnemonic(a)well.com>, <declan(a)well.com>, <volokh(a)law.ucla.edu> I'd like to hear what the Oregon branch of the ACLU thinks about this, after they advocating closing "The Nuremberg Files": Attorney Calls on Justice Dept to Close Hate Site By Lawrence Morahan CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A prominent First Amendment lawyer called on the U.S. Justice Department to conduct an immediate investigation of an Internet site that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people who oppose homosexual activism. The web site, usqueers.com, is in violation of state and federal law for advocating the murder of specific individuals, including former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Strom Thurmond, First Amendment attorney John B. Thompson said. "This is clearly left-wing domestic terrorism which Justice [Department officials] and the FBI must move on immediately with a shut down of the site and an arrest of B. Allen Ross, who operates the site from San Diego," Thompson said in a Nov. 25 letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200111/CUL2001… Website Urges Death for 'Heterosexual Supremacists' By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A former U.S. president and a sitting U.S. senator are among the targets of a website that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people it describes as heterosexual supremacists. Former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) are among those described as "het supremacists" by usQueers.com. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200111\CUL2001… ----------------------------------- David Burt, Public Relations N2H2, Inc. E-mail:dburt@n2h2.com Web: http://www.n2h2.com Address: 900 4th Avenue, Suite 3600 Seattle, WA 98164 Office Phone: 206 892-1130 Cell Phone: 206 915-1283 Fax: 509 271-4226 ----------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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"Nuremberg Files"-type case involving Conservatives wanting
by dburt＠n2h2.com 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Leftist "Wanted List" Removed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:59 -0800 To: <mnemonic(a)well.com>, <declan(a)well.com>, <volokh(a)law.ucla.edu> I'd like to hear what the Oregon branch of the ACLU thinks about this, after they advocating closing "The Nuremberg Files": Attorney Calls on Justice Dept to Close Hate Site By Lawrence Morahan CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A prominent First Amendment lawyer called on the U.S. Justice Department to conduct an immediate investigation of an Internet site that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people who oppose homosexual activism. The web site, usqueers.com, is in violation of state and federal law for advocating the murder of specific individuals, including former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Strom Thurmond, First Amendment attorney John B. Thompson said. "This is clearly left-wing domestic terrorism which Justice [Department officials] and the FBI must move on immediately with a shut down of the site and an arrest of B. Allen Ross, who operates the site from San Diego," Thompson said in a Nov. 25 letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200111/CUL2001… Website Urges Death for 'Heterosexual Supremacists' By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A former U.S. president and a sitting U.S. senator are among the targets of a website that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people it describes as heterosexual supremacists. Former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) are among those described as "het supremacists" by usQueers.com. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200111\CUL2001… ----------------------------------- David Burt, Public Relations N2H2, Inc. E-mail:dburt@n2h2.com Web: http://www.n2h2.com Address: 900 4th Avenue, Suite 3600 Seattle, WA 98164 Office Phone: 206 892-1130 Cell Phone: 206 915-1283 Fax: 509 271-4226 ----------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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"Nuremberg Files"-type case involving Conservatives wanting
by dburt＠n2h2.com 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Leftist "Wanted List" Removed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:59 -0800 To: <mnemonic(a)well.com>, <declan(a)well.com>, <volokh(a)law.ucla.edu> I'd like to hear what the Oregon branch of the ACLU thinks about this, after they advocating closing "The Nuremberg Files": Attorney Calls on Justice Dept to Close Hate Site By Lawrence Morahan CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A prominent First Amendment lawyer called on the U.S. Justice Department to conduct an immediate investigation of an Internet site that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people who oppose homosexual activism. The web site, usqueers.com, is in violation of state and federal law for advocating the murder of specific individuals, including former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Strom Thurmond, First Amendment attorney John B. Thompson said. "This is clearly left-wing domestic terrorism which Justice [Department officials] and the FBI must move on immediately with a shut down of the site and an arrest of B. Allen Ross, who operates the site from San Diego," Thompson said in a Nov. 25 letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200111/CUL2001… Website Urges Death for 'Heterosexual Supremacists' By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A former U.S. president and a sitting U.S. senator are among the targets of a website that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people it describes as heterosexual supremacists. Former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) are among those described as "het supremacists" by usQueers.com. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200111\CUL2001… ----------------------------------- David Burt, Public Relations N2H2, Inc. E-mail:dburt@n2h2.com Web: http://www.n2h2.com Address: 900 4th Avenue, Suite 3600 Seattle, WA 98164 Office Phone: 206 892-1130 Cell Phone: 206 915-1283 Fax: 509 271-4226 ----------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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"Nuremberg Files"-type case involving Conservatives wanting
by dburt＠n2h2.com 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Leftist "Wanted List" Removed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:59 -0800 To: <mnemonic(a)well.com>, <declan(a)well.com>, <volokh(a)law.ucla.edu> I'd like to hear what the Oregon branch of the ACLU thinks about this, after they advocating closing "The Nuremberg Files": Attorney Calls on Justice Dept to Close Hate Site By Lawrence Morahan CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A prominent First Amendment lawyer called on the U.S. Justice Department to conduct an immediate investigation of an Internet site that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people who oppose homosexual activism. The web site, usqueers.com, is in violation of state and federal law for advocating the murder of specific individuals, including former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Strom Thurmond, First Amendment attorney John B. Thompson said. "This is clearly left-wing domestic terrorism which Justice [Department officials] and the FBI must move on immediately with a shut down of the site and an arrest of B. Allen Ross, who operates the site from San Diego," Thompson said in a Nov. 25 letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200111/CUL2001… Website Urges Death for 'Heterosexual Supremacists' By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor November 26, 2001 (CNSNews.com) - A former U.S. president and a sitting U.S. senator are among the targets of a website that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people it describes as heterosexual supremacists. Former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) are among those described as "het supremacists" by usQueers.com. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200111\CUL2001… ----------------------------------- David Burt, Public Relations N2H2, Inc. E-mail:dburt@n2h2.com Web: http://www.n2h2.com Address: 900 4th Avenue, Suite 3600 Seattle, WA 98164 Office Phone: 206 892-1130 Cell Phone: 206 915-1283 Fax: 509 271-4226 ----------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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