July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [liberationtech] Details needed about monitoring and data retention in Syria
by Andrew Lewis 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Jacob, The people I have talked to claim to be from the tech side of intelligence agencies, and indicated a disorganized mess with competing fiefdoms. All my other poking and proding internally point to a ton of different and random equipment across different ISPs. However I have no info or access to the demarc at this point, so I'll take what your saying as the truth, I am merely indicating that my sources are not just average joes as far as I know and is based on my own investigations into the matter. Yes mobiles are terribly weak from a security PoV. And since this is where most of the Internet and communication penetration is at in these countries, it is even scarier. -Andrew Somewhat ironically, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob(a)appelbaum.net> wrote: > On 01/10/2012 01:11 PM, Jillian C. York wrote: >> No, but it's certainly useful when putting the surveillance in >> perspective. Just as many of the Egyptians who later accessed their files >> from State Security offices had never been detained or questioned, it's >> quite possible that much of Syria's surveillance is for surveillance's sake. >> > > I imagine that the Narus systems likely running in Egypt will have in > impact in a number of years. Just the same as the snort IDS at the edge > of Syria. These are databases that over time become more and more > valuable. When smart people learn about them, smart people will do much > much scarier things than the original creators of these systems. > > > I think it's really important to keep perspective about perspective. > > We're still around fifteen days away from a full year of revolution in > Egypt. I'm sure we haven't seen everything yet and I'm certain that what > we have seen, we probably don't understand very well. If the Egyptians > were using Narus or Cisco interception, would we know? I've been told > that the Cisco interception is used for arrests, so what do we make of that? > >> Which is not to say the recommendations are wrong - they're not. But the >> full picture includes both the reality of the surveillance systems and the >> reality of how authorities are using their capabilities. >> > > Sure, I think we agree on the first point. Additionally, I'd add that > different authorities use their capabilities in myriad of ways. > > We do not know the full reality, only the capabilities. By being > cautious, we're trying to mitigate many of the possibilities even in the > worst of actualities. > > The irony is that for internet chatting and web browsing, I think we've > got an ironclad solution; where as for phones, we're basically all > doomed - from billing to content. > > All the best, > Jacob > _______________________________________________ > liberationtech mailing list > liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu > > Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: > > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" > > You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. > > Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. > > Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [cryptography] Q: CBC in SSH
by Bernhard Amann 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Feb 13, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote: > Bodo Moeller <bmoeller(a)acm.org> writes: >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz>wrote: >> >>> active use of ECC suites on the public Internet is practically nonexistent >> >> That's not entirely accurate; try www.google.com. > > It was based on the last (SSL Observatory?) scans at the time which found > about five or six servers worldwide, presumably the test servers being run by > Certicom, Red Hat, Microsoft, etc. If Google supports ECC now that'd be good, > one more site to test against. We see quite a bit of ECDHE traffic at the sites that feed our notary. At the moment, the top-3 cipher suites we see (by connection count) are TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA, TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA and TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA. We also see TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (7th most popular). If http://www.imperialviolet.org/2012/03/02/ieecdhe.html is still correct, RC4+ECDHE is chosen by Chrome and Firefox. AES+ECDHE is Safari and Internet Explorer. The first non-AES/RC4 cipher suite is TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA (9th most popular) followed by TLS_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA. Bernhard _______________________________________________ cryptography mailing list cryptography(a)randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[p2p-hackers] Reminder: WPES 2009 - Call for Papers
by Sara Foresti 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

[Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message] ****Call for Papers**** ##################################################################### 8th Workshop on Privacy in the Electronic Society (WPES 2009) November 9, 2009 --- Hyatt Regency, Chicago, IL, USA http://wpes09.unibg.it ##################################################################### The need for privacy-aware policies, regulations, and techniques has been widely recognized. This workshop discusses the problems of privacy in the global interconnected societies and possible solutions. The 2009 Workshop, held as all previous editions in conjunction with the ACM CCS conference, is the eighth in a yearly forum for papers on all the different aspects of privacy in today's electronic society. The workshop seeks submissions from academia, industry, and government presenting novel research on all theoretical and practical aspects of electronic privacy, as well as experimental studies of fielded systems. We encourage submissions from other communities such as law and business that present these communities' perspectives on technological issues. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: - anonymity, pseudonymity, and unlinkability - data correlation and leakage attacks - electronic communication privacy - economics of privacy - information dissemination control - personally identifiable information - privacy in health care and public administration - privacy and confidentiality management - privacy-aware access control - privacy in the digital business - privacy enhancing technologies - privacy policies - privacy and anonymity on the Web - privacy in the electronic records - privacy and human rights - privacy threats - privacy and virtual identity - privacy policy enforcement - privacy and data mining - privacy in outsourced scenarios - privacy vs. security - public records and personal privacy - user profiling - wireless privacy *Paper submissions* Submitted papers must not substantially overlap papers that have been published or that are simultaneously submitted to a journal or a conference with proceedings. Regular submissions should be at most 10 pages in the ACM double-column format, excluding well-marked appendices, and at most 14 pages total. Committee members are not required to read the appendices, and so the paper should be intelligible without them. Submissions are not required to be anonymized. The workshop will also consider short submissions of up to 4 pages for results that are preliminary or that simply require few pages to describe. Authors of regular submitted papers will indicate at the time of submission whether they would like their paper to also be considered for publication as a short paper (4 proceedings pages). Submissions are to be made to the submission web site at http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=wpes09. Authors will be requested to upload the file of their paper (in PDF format only). Submissions not meeting these guidelines risk rejection without consideration of their merits. Papers must be received by the deadline of June 19, 2009 to be considered. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent to authors by August 8, 2009. The camera ready must be prepared by August 25, 2009 (firm). Proceedings of the workshop will be published by ACM on a CD, available to the workshop attendees. Papers will be included in the ACM Digital Library, with a specific ISBN. Each accepted paper must be presented by an author, who will have registered by the early-bird registration deadline. *Important dates* Paper Submission due: June 19, 2009, 11:59pm PDT (Extended) Acceptance notification: August 8, 2009 Final papers due: August 25, 2009 (firm) Workshop: November 9, 2009 *Program Committee* Stefano Paraboschi (Universita' degli Studi di Bergamo, Italy), Chair Rafael Accorsi (University of Freiburg, Germany) Vijay Atluri (Rutgers University, USA) Adam Barth (UC Berkeley, USA) Nikita Borisov (UI Urbana-Champaign, USA) George Danezis (Microsoft Research Cambridge, UK) Sabrina De Capitani di Vimercati (Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy) Claudia Diaz (KU Leuven, Belgium) Roger Dingledine (The Tor Project, USA) Simone Fischer-Huebner (Karlstad University, Sweden) Keith Frikken (Miami University, USA) Philippe Golle (Palo Alto Research Center, USA) Stefan Katzenbeisser (Technische Universitdt Darmstadt, Germany) Steven J. Murdoch (University of Cambridge, UK) Gregory Neven (IBM Research Zurich, Switzerland) Pierangela Samarati (Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy) Radu Sion (SUNY Stony Brook, USA) Sean W. Smith (Dartmouth College, USA) Paul Syverson (Navy Research Laboratory, USA) Jaideep S. Vaidya (Rutgers University, USA) Marianne Winslett (UI Urbana-Champaign, USA) General Chair (ACM CCS '09 General Chair) Ehab Al-Shaer (De Paul University, USA) ACM CCS '09 Workshop Chair Ting Yu (North Carolina State University, USA) Publicity Chair Sara Foresti (Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy) *Workshop Website* http://wpes09.unibg.it _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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States Link Databases to Find Tax Cheats
by brian-slashdotnews＠hyperreal.org 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/04/2021256 Posted by: michael, on 2004-04-05 01:01:00 Topic: us, 22 comments from the be-good-for-goodness'-sake dept. The IRS and state revenue agencies are increasingly [1]linking every database they can get to their tax records to find clues about your finances. [2]Click Here References 1. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&ncid=738&e=3&u=/ap/2004… 03/ap_on_hi_te/tax_data_mining 2. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=2866&alloc_id=7029&site_id=1&request_id=1987911&… =click&page=%2farticle%2epl ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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[p2p-hackers] Reminder: WPES 2009 - Call for Papers
by Sara Foresti 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

[Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message] ****Call for Papers**** ##################################################################### 8th Workshop on Privacy in the Electronic Society (WPES 2009) November 9, 2009 --- Hyatt Regency, Chicago, IL, USA http://wpes09.unibg.it ##################################################################### The need for privacy-aware policies, regulations, and techniques has been widely recognized. This workshop discusses the problems of privacy in the global interconnected societies and possible solutions. The 2009 Workshop, held as all previous editions in conjunction with the ACM CCS conference, is the eighth in a yearly forum for papers on all the different aspects of privacy in today's electronic society. The workshop seeks submissions from academia, industry, and government presenting novel research on all theoretical and practical aspects of electronic privacy, as well as experimental studies of fielded systems. We encourage submissions from other communities such as law and business that present these communities' perspectives on technological issues. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: - anonymity, pseudonymity, and unlinkability - data correlation and leakage attacks - electronic communication privacy - economics of privacy - information dissemination control - personally identifiable information - privacy in health care and public administration - privacy and confidentiality management - privacy-aware access control - privacy in the digital business - privacy enhancing technologies - privacy policies - privacy and anonymity on the Web - privacy in the electronic records - privacy and human rights - privacy threats - privacy and virtual identity - privacy policy enforcement - privacy and data mining - privacy in outsourced scenarios - privacy vs. security - public records and personal privacy - user profiling - wireless privacy *Paper submissions* Submitted papers must not substantially overlap papers that have been published or that are simultaneously submitted to a journal or a conference with proceedings. Regular submissions should be at most 10 pages in the ACM double-column format, excluding well-marked appendices, and at most 14 pages total. Committee members are not required to read the appendices, and so the paper should be intelligible without them. Submissions are not required to be anonymized. The workshop will also consider short submissions of up to 4 pages for results that are preliminary or that simply require few pages to describe. Authors of regular submitted papers will indicate at the time of submission whether they would like their paper to also be considered for publication as a short paper (4 proceedings pages). Submissions are to be made to the submission web site at http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=wpes09. Authors will be requested to upload the file of their paper (in PDF format only). Submissions not meeting these guidelines risk rejection without consideration of their merits. Papers must be received by the deadline of June 19, 2009 to be considered. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent to authors by August 8, 2009. The camera ready must be prepared by August 25, 2009 (firm). Proceedings of the workshop will be published by ACM on a CD, available to the workshop attendees. Papers will be included in the ACM Digital Library, with a specific ISBN. Each accepted paper must be presented by an author, who will have registered by the early-bird registration deadline. *Important dates* Paper Submission due: June 19, 2009, 11:59pm PDT (Extended) Acceptance notification: August 8, 2009 Final papers due: August 25, 2009 (firm) Workshop: November 9, 2009 *Program Committee* Stefano Paraboschi (Universita' degli Studi di Bergamo, Italy), Chair Rafael Accorsi (University of Freiburg, Germany) Vijay Atluri (Rutgers University, USA) Adam Barth (UC Berkeley, USA) Nikita Borisov (UI Urbana-Champaign, USA) George Danezis (Microsoft Research Cambridge, UK) Sabrina De Capitani di Vimercati (Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy) Claudia Diaz (KU Leuven, Belgium) Roger Dingledine (The Tor Project, USA) Simone Fischer-Huebner (Karlstad University, Sweden) Keith Frikken (Miami University, USA) Philippe Golle (Palo Alto Research Center, USA) Stefan Katzenbeisser (Technische Universitdt Darmstadt, Germany) Steven J. Murdoch (University of Cambridge, UK) Gregory Neven (IBM Research Zurich, Switzerland) Pierangela Samarati (Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy) Radu Sion (SUNY Stony Brook, USA) Sean W. Smith (Dartmouth College, USA) Paul Syverson (Navy Research Laboratory, USA) Jaideep S. Vaidya (Rutgers University, USA) Marianne Winslett (UI Urbana-Champaign, USA) General Chair (ACM CCS '09 General Chair) Ehab Al-Shaer (De Paul University, USA) ACM CCS '09 Workshop Chair Ting Yu (North Carolina State University, USA) Publicity Chair Sara Foresti (Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy) *Workshop Website* http://wpes09.unibg.it _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [Freedombox-discuss] A Simple Server Setup Guide
by Bjarni Rznar Einarsson 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Nick Daly <nick.m.daly(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 0: https://bitbucket.org/nickdaly/plugserver/ That's a pretty fantastic document! I am impressed. :-) > PS: I'd appreciate if anyone could offer ideas on how to make > Freedomboxes (or similar servers) reachable over the internet, through > ISPs that fight *really* hard (through their policies and standard > hardware) to prevent users from hosting or serving anything. I'm > looking for hackier solutions than "change ISPs" because, thanks to the > monopoly American ISP market, that option's mostly irrelevant. (Is > there some sort of DNS alternative out there?) I created PageKite (www.pagekite.org) to deal with exactly this problem. It's a bit like "dynamic DNS for mobile devices and people without public IPs" - it's free (AGPLv3) software, backed by a small startup company in Iceland which runs the necessary "in the cloud" public infrastructure for those who don't have servers of their own or the time to do it themselves. It does HTTP and HTTPS seamlessly, and SSH with only minor tweaks to the client config - if you have control over the client almost any TCP-based protocol can work, but the user-friendliness varies. Notable omissions compared your needs, is PageKite can't currently help with e-mail, and Jabber support hasn't been written yet (but is on the cards if you want to help test I could bump up the priority a bit). -- Bjarni R. Einarsson Founder, lead developer of PageKite. Make localhost servers visible to the world: http://pagekite.net/ _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list Freedombox-discuss(a)lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[Freedombox-discuss] Introduction
by Jim Tarvid 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Finding my path shares much with FreedomBox. At home in the mountains, I live on a HughesNet satellite connection and hanging a server on that connection is impractical. Recently set up another connection at my home in Fairfax, VA and could not get my Buffalo router off of port 80. I had a spare Dell Dimension 2400 so I undertook to make it a server gateway. For good or evil, I live on Ubuntu and I wrote the simplest instructions I could. http://ls.net/category/topics/linux-server-class. About a dozen people have managed to replicate the experiment. Sinne tasksel does most of the heavy lifting, the process on Debian should be similar. I'd like to do this on a "green" box. I felt deterred by the marginal cost of dual nic motherboards but USB Ethernet adapters probably make that irrelevant. The price of laptops is still dropping and the issue may be moot. Still struggling with a reliable DDNS solution. BIND/nsupdate seems to be doing its job but I am noit getting proper name resolution. To me the central issue is capacity building. People with their hands on a server have a better chance of developing understanding than those who delegate that task to others. Jim -- Kindness Works! Rev. Jim Tarvid, PCA 12897A Grays Pointe Road, Fairfax, Va 22033 38.8778239, -77.392696 http://ls.net _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list Freedombox-discuss(a)lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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States Link Databases to Find Tax Cheats
by brian-slashdotnews＠hyperreal.org 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/04/2021256 Posted by: michael, on 2004-04-05 01:01:00 Topic: us, 22 comments from the be-good-for-goodness'-sake dept. The IRS and state revenue agencies are increasingly [1]linking every database they can get to their tax records to find clues about your finances. [2]Click Here References 1. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&ncid=738&e=3&u=/ap/2004… 03/ap_on_hi_te/tax_data_mining 2. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=2866&alloc_id=7029&site_id=1&request_id=1987911&… =click&page=%2farticle%2epl ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: [Freedombox-discuss] A Simple Server Setup Guide
by Bjarni Rznar Einarsson 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Nick Daly <nick.m.daly(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 0: https://bitbucket.org/nickdaly/plugserver/ That's a pretty fantastic document! I am impressed. :-) > PS: I'd appreciate if anyone could offer ideas on how to make > Freedomboxes (or similar servers) reachable over the internet, through > ISPs that fight *really* hard (through their policies and standard > hardware) to prevent users from hosting or serving anything. I'm > looking for hackier solutions than "change ISPs" because, thanks to the > monopoly American ISP market, that option's mostly irrelevant. (Is > there some sort of DNS alternative out there?) I created PageKite (www.pagekite.org) to deal with exactly this problem. It's a bit like "dynamic DNS for mobile devices and people without public IPs" - it's free (AGPLv3) software, backed by a small startup company in Iceland which runs the necessary "in the cloud" public infrastructure for those who don't have servers of their own or the time to do it themselves. It does HTTP and HTTPS seamlessly, and SSH with only minor tweaks to the client config - if you have control over the client almost any TCP-based protocol can work, but the user-friendliness varies. Notable omissions compared your needs, is PageKite can't currently help with e-mail, and Jabber support hasn't been written yet (but is on the cards if you want to help test I could bump up the priority a bit). -- Bjarni R. Einarsson Founder, lead developer of PageKite. Make localhost servers visible to the world: http://pagekite.net/ _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list Freedombox-discuss(a)lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[Freedombox-discuss] Introduction
by Jim Tarvid 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Finding my path shares much with FreedomBox. At home in the mountains, I live on a HughesNet satellite connection and hanging a server on that connection is impractical. Recently set up another connection at my home in Fairfax, VA and could not get my Buffalo router off of port 80. I had a spare Dell Dimension 2400 so I undertook to make it a server gateway. For good or evil, I live on Ubuntu and I wrote the simplest instructions I could. http://ls.net/category/topics/linux-server-class. About a dozen people have managed to replicate the experiment. Sinne tasksel does most of the heavy lifting, the process on Debian should be similar. I'd like to do this on a "green" box. I felt deterred by the marginal cost of dual nic motherboards but USB Ethernet adapters probably make that irrelevant. The price of laptops is still dropping and the issue may be moot. Still struggling with a reliable DDNS solution. BIND/nsupdate seems to be doing its job but I am noit getting proper name resolution. To me the central issue is capacity building. People with their hands on a server have a better chance of developing understanding than those who delegate that task to others. Jim -- Kindness Works! Rev. Jim Tarvid, PCA 12897A Grays Pointe Road, Fairfax, Va 22033 38.8778239, -77.392696 http://ls.net _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list Freedombox-discuss(a)lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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