July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the > administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House, > just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq > section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a > different HTML template. The WH only wants the "master" copy indexed > and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent > weirdness in robots.txt. > > I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it > wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for "diff" purposes > just in case. > > -Declan > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > > Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up > > > on the web? > > > > > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt > > > > All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents > > elsewhere in the directory tree; "X/text/" and "X/iraq/" are > > supposed to be copies of "X/", with images removed in the first > > case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. > > > > -- > > avva

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Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the > administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House, > just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq > section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a > different HTML template. The WH only wants the "master" copy indexed > and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent > weirdness in robots.txt. > > I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it > wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for "diff" purposes > just in case. > > -Declan > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > > Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up > > > on the web? > > > > > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt > > > > All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents > > elsewhere in the directory tree; "X/text/" and "X/iraq/" are > > supposed to be copies of "X/", with images removed in the first > > case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. > > > > -- > > avva

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Re: [p2p-hackers] darknet ~= (blacknet, f2f net)
by zooko＠zooko.com 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Ian Clarke wrote: > > I do wish you would refer to these networks as those which allow the > covert transmission of information, rather than those which are used > for the illegal transmission of information - since I am not aware of > any networks that are specifically designed for the illegal > transmission of information. I think this would help alleviate the > political problem you raise later in your email. The concept of a networking technology or a network which is specifically used for illegal information is an interesting concept, for example Tim May "blacknet" [1, 2, 3] and Biddle, et al. "darknet" [4]. If you would like to use "darknet" to mean something else then I can't stop you, but I would like to talk about that concept so I need a word for it. Regards, Zooko P.S. The most salient difference between blacknet [1] and darknet [2] in my opinion is that blacknet is a market, in which participants are motivated by economic gain, and darknet is a more general concept, in which the motivations of participants may be various -- including but not limited to friendship. [1] http://www.privacyexchange.org/iss/confpro/cfpuntraceable.html [2] http://www-personal.umich.edu/~ludlow/worries.txt [3] http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/08/msg00538.html [4] http://zgp.org/pipermail/p2p-hackers/2005-December/003245.html _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)zgp.org http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers _______________________________________________ Here is a web page listing P2P Conferences: http://www.neurogrid.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/PeerToPeerConferences ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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[liberationtech] On the Feasibility of Internet-Scale Author Identio,cation
by Steve Weis 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

There is some interesting research coming out from a team of Stanford & Berkeley researchers about large-scale de-anonymization of blog posts based on writing style, i.e. stylometry. For a given blog post, the researchers were able to positively identify an individual author from among 100,000 possibilities 20% of the time. However, their method does not work if authors deliberately obfuscate their writing style. Here's the paper draft: http://randomwalker.info/publications/author-identification-draft.pdf And a blog post about it: http://33bits.org/2012/02/20/is-writing-style-sufficient-to-deanonymize-mat… _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the > administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House, > just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq > section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a > different HTML template. The WH only wants the "master" copy indexed > and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent > weirdness in robots.txt. > > I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it > wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for "diff" purposes > just in case. > > -Declan > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > > Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up > > > on the web? > > > > > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt > > > > All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents > > elsewhere in the directory tree; "X/text/" and "X/iraq/" are > > supposed to be copies of "X/", with images removed in the first > > case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. > > > > -- > > avva

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Re: [p2p-hackers] darknet ~= (blacknet, f2f net)
by zooko＠zooko.com 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Ian Clarke wrote: > > I do wish you would refer to these networks as those which allow the > covert transmission of information, rather than those which are used > for the illegal transmission of information - since I am not aware of > any networks that are specifically designed for the illegal > transmission of information. I think this would help alleviate the > political problem you raise later in your email. The concept of a networking technology or a network which is specifically used for illegal information is an interesting concept, for example Tim May "blacknet" [1, 2, 3] and Biddle, et al. "darknet" [4]. If you would like to use "darknet" to mean something else then I can't stop you, but I would like to talk about that concept so I need a word for it. Regards, Zooko P.S. The most salient difference between blacknet [1] and darknet [2] in my opinion is that blacknet is a market, in which participants are motivated by economic gain, and darknet is a more general concept, in which the motivations of participants may be various -- including but not limited to friendship. [1] http://www.privacyexchange.org/iss/confpro/cfpuntraceable.html [2] http://www-personal.umich.edu/~ludlow/worries.txt [3] http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/08/msg00538.html [4] http://zgp.org/pipermail/p2p-hackers/2005-December/003245.html _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)zgp.org http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers _______________________________________________ Here is a web page listing P2P Conferences: http://www.neurogrid.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/PeerToPeerConferences ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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[liberationtech] On the Feasibility of Internet-Scale Author Identio,cation
by Steve Weis 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

There is some interesting research coming out from a team of Stanford & Berkeley researchers about large-scale de-anonymization of blog posts based on writing style, i.e. stylometry. For a given blog post, the researchers were able to positively identify an individual author from among 100,000 possibilities 20% of the time. However, their method does not work if authors deliberately obfuscate their writing style. Here's the paper draft: http://randomwalker.info/publications/author-identification-draft.pdf And a blog post about it: http://33bits.org/2012/02/20/is-writing-style-sufficient-to-deanonymize-mat… _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Software for pop-ups and anti-virus
by Peter A Steeves 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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Are forms possible in a cookie cutter website?
by MDegaston＠aol.com 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I have a website made with cookie cutters. I would like to add a place where people see little windows where they have to fill in their name, email address and possibly phone and a comment box. How does one create that or is it not possible on a cookie cutter website? Is there a programming text (gif?) I can put in as is done with banners? I am really a rank amateur and know very little so unless it is very very simple to do, I probably can't do it, mind you. Appreciate your help. Margie Only One Career Woman in 1,000 Finds the Job She Deserves. Be Your Own Boss. We Help You Make Your Own Money. http://prosperouswomen.bizland.com/masterminding ANSWERS:

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Places to look for web forms
by "Lana Vickery - wealth"＠znet.net.au 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

>From: Exim Wawasan - spc(a)pl.jaring.my >Subject: html code for simple application/join form? (Issue #432) > >I have been trying to build my own webpage with a simple >application form with inputs of First Name, Last Name Email >Address and a click "submit" button. The application form is >to be submitted either to my mail box on the same website or >to my own email box. How to write and create the html codes >for this simple application form? Ng Lye Fong, I know you've had a couple of long replies to this query re simple html form, but if you have a look at site http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/VICK2163 you'll see a VERY easy way of getting the info you want, and it is a simple cut & paste html code. Let me know if you want it and I'll get the code to you. You can email me from the site, using the facility I'm talking about. There might also be something of interest for you at: http://www.formsite.com . Just a thought. Many thanks. 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I would like to add a place where people see little windows where they have to fill in their name, email address and possibly phone and a comment box. How does one create that or is it not possible on a cookie cutter website?  Is there a programming text (gif?) I can put in as is done with banners? I am really a rank amateur and know very little so unless it is very very simple to do, I probably can't do it, mind you. Appreciate your help. Margie Only One Career Woman in 1,000 Finds the Job She Deserves. Be Your Own Boss. We Help You Make Your Own Money. <a href="http://prosperouswomen.bizland.com/masterminding">http://prosperouswomen.bizland.com/masterminding</a>     ANSWERS: From:  Lana Vickery   - wealth(a)znet.net.au Subject:  Places to look for web forms >From:  Exim Wawasan   - spc(a)pl.jaring.my >Subject:  html code for simple application/join form? 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The light blue text on the dark blue background can be tricky to read though. Also, even with your philosophy written out, I could not grasp what the purpose of your site was. I never was quite sure what you were trying to accomplish.  By adding explanations on the 'Our Team' and 'Site Index' page, maybe an introduction on the 'Home' page, I and I would think your other visitors would be better able to tell how you can help them. It sounds like you know what you are talking about, but I would take a guess your audience doesn't. ~~~~ First impression: Duuhhh.  The flash part never went into operation although I went to get some water, messed with the dogs, still no action. Something needs fixn'. I bypassed that portion then and  the next page looks very pleasing, but that is if you like to just relax. If you want to get your visitors attention, there has to be more to catch the interest.. Unfortunately today's visitor does not take the time to squint at pale text on a dark background no matter how relaxing it might feel.  The page gives a certain IMAGE of refinement and that is possibly what you like to convey, but will it sell anything unless your cliental is already sold? Just my thoughts on the matter. ~~~~ This was a fast loading site with minimal graphics (apart from the Our Team page which I was disappointed to find were just animations and not photos of the team!) and I liked the option to view without the Flash.  The Inclick graphic is missing on all the pages and just needs to be uploaded.   Although I read through the info quite carefully, I'm still puzzled as to what this website sells!  The home page tells us that the website purpose is to communicate but I'm sorry it failed to communicate to me just what services were provided. ~~~~ I assume Len Seider is an individual, so was disappointed there wasn't information about him, his background, a picture, or why I should trust him. 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