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Fwd: [gsc] Fwd: Save the date! Computers, Freedom, and Privacy: June 15-18, 2010
by R.A. Hettinga 27 Sep '09

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Begin forwarded message: > From: Rayservers support <support(a)rayservers.com> > Date: September 27, 2009 12:08:55 PM GMT-04:00 > To: gold-silver-crypto(a)rayservers.com > Subject: Re: [gsc] Fwd: Save the date! Computers, Freedom, and > Privacy: June 15-18, 2010 > > On 09/27/09 13:45, Rayservers support wrote: >> On 09/27/09 12:18, R.A. Hettinga wrote: >>> On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:03 AM, pintle wrote: >>> >>>> Would another Internet make a difference? If so, what would it be >>>> like? >>>> What would it take? How much more expensive would it be? >>> The "Internet" is a network protocol. >> >> lol! :D >> >> To answer the first question, the corollary to what RAH said is >> "another >> protocol". Just in case it was not obvious. >> >> If you want an analogy, here it is: First there was telnet, second >> there was >> ssh. The rest is left to the imagination of some clever geeks. > > OK, lets get started. I hereby invite clever geeks and people who > can read > English and use computers to chime in. > > The idea-domain-space of the bits that make what appears in front of > you is done > by the following magic: > > A) Manipulating bits that are "persistent" > B) Moving bits between boxes that can then choose to persist them > C) Displaying the bits in human readable form > > Now, it is clear that the set of instructions "software" that does > it, it > finally rich and complex enough to create this nice desktop with e- > mail, instant > message, voice, document editor, web browser and accounting > software. With crypto. > > That about sums it up. > > Lets talk about the telnet to ssh revolution (plaintext to > ciphertext as normal > for A&B) > > 1) telnet vs ssh: It finally became possible to say "fsck" remotely > without some > government censor getting all upset. > > 2) http vs https: The SSL boys fucked it up for the web. Same thing > is achieved > as with ssh, but I have to get "certified" at some SSL certificate > vendor* > otherwise the idiots who programmed my browser will pop up all sorts > of annoying > messages. > > * No offence to the certificate vendor who I know reads this list. > This rant is > a summary of what Iang has articulated here: http://iang.org/ssl/ > > 3) e-mail -> PGP email. Wonderful. Just a PITA exchanging keys. S/ > MIME was > broken from the start by trying to marry SSL to e-mail. > > 4) IM -> OTR. PGP on steroids. Good stuff. Why is this not a > default? And why, > when enabled it lets you blurt things out before it establishes a > session? Why > not patch this in to Thunderbird? > > 5) RTP -> SRTP -> ZRTP. The government would like you to use SRTP. > Zimmerman has > not been commercially successful with ZRTP. Why? [Rhetorical why. > Discuss]. > Twinklephone on Linux rocks, when it works. > > 6) blocks on disk -> loop-AES. Finally persisted data one can live > with. I pay > for my hard drive, know my password and its mine. > > 7) blocks on disk -> distributed storage with distributed erasure > coding [see > allmydata.org] Nice. I do not pay for my storage, except, perhaps > at some meta > level. This is a problem. > > 8) FTP -> Bitorrent. (move to distributed download): "Free" - a > problem. > > 9) HTTP -> TOR (move towards anonymity) "Free" - a problem. > 10) E-Mail -> Mixminion (move towards anonymity) "Free" - a problem. > > Finally we visit > > C) Displaying the bits. > > 1) The hyper-link revolution and its effects > (i) Makes persistent bits on a remote machine more useful than local > bits > - causes the client-server model to flourish > - low latency high performance remote bit display (X-Windows) loses > to Web browser > - low latency high DPI printed bank statement loses to online banking > - "server side" programming is chosen by anyone who wants to > centralize command > and control. Easily regulated. See e-gold. > > (ii) Remote e-mail via web instinctively preferred > - Communication history easily remembered via one password > - *Feeling* of privacy, "no one can get my email off the computer" > > (iii) Made the OS less relevant > - Recall the mad scramble on IE. > > +++++++ > Paying for all this > > 1) Cost of hardware > 2) Cost of OS and software: free. Unless you are a rocket scientist. > 3) Recurring Cost : INTERNET CONNECTION > > The next revolution will center around: > > 1) Its mine if I know the password to my encrypted bits > 2) Its mine if I paid to store my encrypted bits somewhere. > 3) I'll only pay for my bits. I won't pay for other people's bits. > 4) I'll pay to move my bits. I won't pay to move other people's bits. > > Regarding costs - The recurring cost of the internet connection paid > to your ISP > is what subsidises the "free" stuff. If I don't watch porn videos, I'm > subsidising those who do. > > Result: Lower cost. > > The revolution in persistence will be > > 1) If there are enough computers on a UPS, I do not care so much > about a hard > disk. This is a direct consequence of distributed erasure coded main > memory > storage, bitorrent etc. Consequently > - A CDROM only OS. Think: Knoppix + SSL web mail as a current > working example. > > Result: No incriminating data or even encrypted blobs > > The next revolution in crypto protocols will be: > > - Payment to move encrypted bits, Payment to store encrypted bits. > - Anonymity will become economically cheaper than "I'm to lazy and > have > nothing to hide". [Chimneys... I hear a voice saying] > - It will mean CISCO will be obsolete unless they embrace and > adopt, in which > case they will be an economic superpower. > - It will mean Microsoft will become obsolete unless they embrace > and adopt, > in which case they will be an economic superpower. > > And finally: WHAT is your payment deliverable in? > > Lawful answers: > Answer one: In peanuts, your Honour. :) > Answer two: In GB of data stored, your Honour :) > Answer three: In GB of data moved via my node, your Honour :) > > Will you trade GB of data stored for Peanuts? or BMWs? or Gas? > > *WHOSE liabilities are these, and WHAT will they deliver?* > > Cheers, > > ---Venkat. > > -- > Rayservers GmbH > http://www.rayservers.com/ > > Prime Dealer for: > The Global Settlement Foundation > http://www.global-settlement.org/ > > Panama Tel: +507 832 1846 > Swiss Tel: +41 22 53 30 82 0 > UK Tel: +44 20 30 02 74 72 > USA Toll Free: +1 888 265 5009 > USA CA Tel: +1 408 419 1978 > 9:30AM - 6PM EST (GMT -5)

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