May 2006 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Liberty Dollar
by Gary Jeffers 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

My fellow Cypherpunks, The Liberty Dollar My fellow Cypherpunks, I think I may have some really great news here, but you all can check it out to be sure. I found an alternative money on the Internet. It is called the Liberty Dollar. The Internet site is: http://www.norfed.org NORFED is The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code. The money is backed by silver and gold and can be redeemed widely in America. As many of you know, the $US is a corrupt, proprietary, debt issued, fait, fractional reserved,illegal, unconstituional, U. S. State enforced monopoly currency. As corrupt as it is I don't know why it hasn't already collasped and dragged us down with it! If the Liberty Dollar is honest and robust, then it may be the vehical to beat the elite bankers tyranny and give us an honest wealth produced money. Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE !!!!

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RE: Cypherpunks IQ Test
by Aimee Farr 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Mike: Are you often the victim of mercenary females? > -----Original Message----- > From: mmotyka(a)lsil.com [mailto:mmotyka@lsil.com] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:28 PM > To: aimee.farr(a)pobox.com > Subject: Cypherpunks IQ Test > > > It's an obvious setup. The woods are part of a defense installation, > apple is filled with coke, the girl is underage, the woods are full of > trigger happy fibbies. > > You hit the ground and roll into the brush, drawing on the way. You > attempt to locate opponents and identify the safest route away from the > situation. > > Mike > > > >CYPHERPUNKS IQ TEST > > > >QUESTION #1. > > > >You are walking through the woods alone. A beautiful unclothed woman > >magically appears in front of you. She holds out an apple. > > > >1. Please darken in the correct choice using a Number Two pencil: > > > >(a) you bite the apple. > >(b) you take the woman. > >(c) you run away. > >(d) a and b, but not c. > >(e) b and c only. > >(f) all of the above. > >(g) none of the above. > > > >2. Please justify your answer: > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________. > > > > > >Just curious.... > > > > -Aimee

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More on "new physics"
by Tim May 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Someone sent me a private note. I have deleted his name for this public reply. > Tim May wrote: > > >> The "new physics" stuff is quite different. It is scorned in a way >> that plate tectonics was not, and for good reason. Folks should visit >> Bearden's site. http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/index.html > > I did. Oh, dear. > > Not sure what is supposed to be denoted by "Tesla physics", but Tesla's > work with power transmission via HF is fascinating, even if there was > apparently no practical or safe use for it. No one disputes the outstanding work Tesla did on a.c. transmission. And anyone who has seen or used a Tesla coil knows how real it is. "Tesla physics" is all the cruft that has developed around some of his more obscure (and late) writings, usually mixed together with stuff Tesla could not have known about at the time of his death. To wit, the stuff about zero point energy and perpetual motion machines. And, sometimes, mixed together with the usual nutcase stuff about the Hollow Earth theory (zeta reticulans colonizing the hollow earth, Greys, underground UFO bases, secret Nazi weapons, etc.). Tesla is a hero to these "new physics" nuts, even though nothing Tesla ever worked on or built contradicts in the slightest way the predictions of Maxwell's theories. They take Tesla's very real contributions and some of his weirder theories (though none of them so weird as the Hollow Earth/antigravity/time reversal theories of modern nutters) and say that this means "They laughed at Tesla, they laugh at me!" BTW, I was/am an early ("angel") investor in a company doing work on ultrawideband transmissions. Some of the works Bearden cites, like those of Barrett, are familiar to me and others with this company. Saying that there is a role for ultrawideband pulse technology, a la spread spectrum and beyond SS, is NOT the same as saying there are confirmed "problems" with electromagnetic theory. There may be, and there are a handful of folks doing "foundational" work in E&M, but, so far, there are no indications that their foundational work is changing any engineering calculations. Quite the contrary, in my view. Electromagnetic theory basically "works"--to many decimal places of accuracy. Circuits work as expected, antennas work as expected, and there are no "unexplained observations" (as usually exist before a new theory arrives). There may be some _semantic_ issues, e.g., does a square wave or impulse "really" have components that were sent out _before_ the square wave or impulse? (A Fourier decomposition of a square wave starting at time t = 0 has "sine wave components" spread out over time and adding up in such a way as to give the square wave, or the impulse, or any other signal. Some think this means deep and mysterious things are happening, something having to do with time travel and reversing the aging process, blah blah blah. Henning Harmuth may write fairly eloquently about the "dogma of the circle" and how the Fourier decomposition of a signal into (allegedly) a near-infinite series of sine waves is "not real," but for all intents and purposes it all works. And the "new physics" people like Bearden go way beyond what Harmuth and Barrett are talking about: they bring in "curved space-time" and gravitation and antigravity and the ultra-weird notion that aging can be reversed by "pumping the conjugate time-axis of the Minkowski manifold" (OK, I made this up...don't have time to lift one of Bearden's direct quotes...and this will help train me in the jargon if I ever become a "new physicist."). Nut cases like Bearden have the patter of physics down. Very few actual physicists waste their time dissecting and refuting Bearden for obvious reasons. I urge readers of this list not to waste time on this stuff. --Tim May, Citizen-unit of of the once free United States " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "--Thomas Jefferson, 1787

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Re: A Trial Balloon to Ban Email?
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

At 09:57 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: >Yes, but how will you stop the spammer from double spending the same $0.25 >micropayment on all of his 170,000 email addresses? Depending on whether >you check that there is a payment attached or not, and also check it with >the bank before delivering it, you'd have already wasted your bandwith and >possibly have accepted a spam into your mail spool. It is true that the notions of micropayments as applied to spam (that I'm familiar with, at least) would require that the email recipient check with the bank to detect doublespending. This would introduce an additional delay before delivery from unknown senders, yes, but I fail to see how it would impose an unacceptable cost in bandwidth or CPU usage. Spammers could still try the same-micropayment-a-million-times route, just as they could try to spam without micropayments, but if their email is rejected in sufficient quantities, the cost to the spammer would outweigh the benefits. The key is achieving sufficient quantities. -Declan

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Re: AP Al Qaeda
by mattd 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

>>No, no. AP is funny because it's impracticeable. One does not find an assassin exclusively by tracing who paid him to kill. One can (and often does) find him because he makes a mistake in the act of commiting the crime. Which, if I'm >>reading my history right, is what's hampered the noisy proponents of AP up to this point already. Crime? Wot crime,guvnor? Jim and CJ were not 'noisy'.imo. Im a bit noisy cos Im pushing the 'let it all hang out' version. >The point is that Bell's theory does a really good job of sorting out the business end of assassination,...< Oh THATS funny.I get it. HAHAHA! >>Killing one person, especially a public official, pisses a whole bunch of people off. Those people have a tendency to come find their buddy's killer. Mmm,where do we start,lets get some firebrands and go up to the proffrs? Look at sites with no logs for quad anon 'predictors' who may be overseas briefly visiting cybercafes,Good luck china.(you just contradicted yrself btw.) Oh,unless you mean the torture/french village reprisal thang.Win friends and influence people. The one person killed will have had to have done a lot of evil shit to get enough pooled (presumably) to tempt a seasoned pro.Unless some professional killer turns all altruistic,stranger things have happened.The killer could be suicidal.another possibility.Lots of scenarios possible here,movie scripts,even.Pop songs,video games.DoCoMo assasinphones. Someone like a torturer,murderer,terrorist,pedophile is a logical candidate.(stephen roach?)Sometimes these happen to be public officials.Theres one here where I live named dennis Tanner.(vic.au) Those killers by remote control like arbusto might be be made more accountable. What better way than...Bell's theory, "a really good job of sorting out the business end of assassination"according to you. KILL THE PRESIDENT! "Id buy that for a dollar!" >>No kind of real or threatened assassination can weaken a government in which a majority of the governed people >believe. It can only make it seem more righteous and be more strong. Thats true,roll over and go back to sleep,if you live under that govt you have nothing to worry about. More righteous and more smug.

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Re: wars of attrition & reverse rubber hose & the ineffectiveness of direct lethal violence against the state
by coderman 02 Jan '07

02 Jan '07

On 3/8/06, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > ... > ON THE OTHER HAND, one does't need huge numbers of people wielding baseball > bats... i like to think you don't need any bats at all; waging direct lethal violence against the largest and best equipped military in the world (esp. adding up police, swat, n.guard, military, etc) fuels their propaganda machine and gets you crushed like an ant under foot. bomb throwers and assassins get no sympathy from the public no matter justified your perceived grievances. cutting at the heart of this nation-scale responsibility diffusion machine requires taxing communication and commerce engines which make its very existence possible. this tax is applied in the form of continued and targeted infrastructure disruption against those entities which are refusing and deflecting oversight and accountability for their actions, and all those who serve them directly or indirectly. punks with portable saws and thermic lances slicing fiber and junking equipment is much more palatable to the public when used against entities already perceived unpopular and abusive to fundamental rights. we've already talked about data mining and critical infrastructure analysis to direct such attacks in the most effective manner possible. although somehow i think this will get you a more severe response than killing random yes men (despite the fact this is limited to property damage alone). hmmm, the information required to organize such efforts would be a good fit for the blacknet.

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Fwd: Some legal trouble with TOR in France
by coderman 21 Jun '06

21 Jun '06

ah, reputation and trust. my favorite crux ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: france-info(a)safe-mail.net <france-info(a)safe-mail.net> Date: May 14, 2006 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Some legal trouble with TOR in France To: or-talk(a)freehaven.net I am living in France and working for some French security agency. Please understand that I may not identify myself. Working for a security agency does not mean that I approve all their actions, even those that I MUST do. Since about 5 years, French services are trying to control the "anonymous" French based services. It includes TOR, and some remailers. About 4 years ago (I don't remember exactly, and I am at home now, I haven't my documents with me), we visited the operator of the remailers FROG and AZERTY. We suspected him to be also the webmaster of the website CAMELEON, but it is another story. We seized his computers, disks of course, etc, and arrested the man. Then we told him "You have a choice between 2 options: You accept to work for us, it means concretely to give us your remailers' keys and to forward the remailer emails to us, or you will go to prison for threat against the national security. Just a few months, the time we check all your computers, make an audit on your disks, etc". After 30 minutes, the guy gave us his remailers' keys, and accepted our offer. He then re-installed his remailers, and all the traffic was sent to us too. I remember that we asked him to NOT send us the garbage that the remailers automatically send! Then our computers processed the messages, using the remailers' keys. Of course we could not decypher all, if Frog/Azerty was :"in the middle" we couldn't do anything. But when these remailers where the first or the last one, it was very very interesting... I don't know now if these remailers are still operated, I am working in another service. About TOR now: I MAY not say all what I know, as the case is currently investigated by our services and I don't want to get into trouble! Just know that France's policy is to NOT allow ANY remailer or anonymous service run from France, UNLESS the French special services can control it. This is a NO exception rule. The only recommendations that I can do to the TOR users, is to NOT use any French-based TOR servers in entry ou exit. People here and there are generally against the US gov and say that he "violates their rights". I don't know a lot about the US gov. But what I know about the French gov, and the instructions our services receive a few times by week, make me sure that the French citizens' rights are perpetually violated, about phone tapping and internet.

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by Noe Skinner 31 May '06

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[Clips] Airlines in a Panic: Deal on Fliers' Data Is Ruled Illegal
by R.A. Hettinga 31 May '06

31 May '06

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: rah(a)shipwright.com Delivered-To: clips(a)philodox.com Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:21:30 -0400 To: Philodox Clips List <clips(a)philodox.com> From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: [Clips] Airlines in a Panic: Deal on Fliers' Data Is Ruled Illegal Reply-To: rah(a)philodox.com Sender: clips-bounces(a)philodox.com <http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB114897794980266136.html> The Wall Street Journal Deal on Fliers' Data Is Ruled Illegal Top Court's Decision On EU-U.S. Pact Has Airlines in a Panic By WILLIAM ECHIKSON May 31, 2006; Page A4 BRUSSELS -- Europe's top court ruled illegal a deal with the U.S. for sharing air-passenger data to fight terrorism, forcing officials to scramble in order to keep planes flying across the Atlantic this fall. The European Commission and the U.S. agreed in 2004 that airlines would turn over 34 pieces of information about each passenger flying from Europe to the U.S. -- including name, address and credit-card details -- within 15 minutes of departure. The agreement was controversial because of strict European privacy rules, and the European Parliament challenged it. But Washington threatened to fine airlines and even strip them of landing rights if they didn't comply. The European Court of Justice ruled yesterday that European Union privacy rules exclude the use of such commercial data for crime-fighting purposes. Data can be collected for commercial purposes, but the court said the commission -- the bloc's executive arm -- violated the law by handing the material over to law-enforcement authorities. The court allowed the data to keep flowing until Sept. 30 to give officials some time to negotiate a new deal. U.S. and European airlines have been complying with the agreed-upon rules. They fear being put in the position of violating European law if they submit to Washington's requirements or violating U.S. law if they don't. "We don't want to think about what will happen if this is not settled by the end of September," said David Henderson, spokesman for the Association of European Airlines. "It is so extreme that it could cause some very great disturbances to the industry," he added. "We anticipate that the U.S. government and European authorities will resolve this matter without subjecting airlines to conflicting demands," said James C. May, president and chief executive of the Air Transport Association, a trade group representing U.S. carriers. "ATA and its members will continue to work closely with governmental authorities to find a practical solution to this issue," he said. European and U.S. officials said the ruling is narrow enough to allow them to revise the existing agreement. They said the court didn't address whether the type of data turned over is too extensive under EU law. Instead, they said the judges only decided that the way the accord was adopted was illegal: Instead of basing the rules on commercial law, the EU must rely on laws that apply to police and security cooperation. "It's unimaginable that the data will cease to flow and the planes will cease to fly," said Stewart Baker, U.S. assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security, who was in Brussels for a debate about security cooperation. "I am confident we can find a solution." EU Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini said he would try to rework the agreement "under a different legal basis, but with similar content." He, too, said he is confident a deal can be struck before most EU officials go on holiday for August. But without one, he added, "we could face really huge problems." In private, an EU official cautioned that it will be hard to renegotiate a deal that will satisfy both the European Parliament and the U.S. government. Some members of the Parliament vowed to take a tough line on any new agreement. "Our victory in this case demonstrates the refusal...to buckle in the face of trans-Atlantic bullying," said Sarah Ludford, a Liberal Democrat from Britain. The EU won some concessions from the U.S. The length of time the data can be stored was shortened to 312 years from a proposed 50, and some information was deleted such as meal preference. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _______________________________________________ Clips mailing list Clips(a)philodox.com http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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