March 2004 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
by Freematt357＠aol.com 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

In a message dated 3/30/04 9:54:40 PM, mv(a)cdc.gov writes: >also that Nevada case pending in the Supremes *may* mean that >you must present papers. There was also a decision >last year IIRC that said that car *passengers* had to show ID >if asked. Not drivers, passengers. If you're not the driver and you don't drive you don't have to have an ID. And you can't show what you don't have. In general this is a bad idea however, as it makes you more suspicious to the police. I'm afraid we've entered a new era of police state fascism, and it might be better to appear to be someone else than the fire breathing Sons of Liberty we imagine we are. Regards, Freematt-

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Liquid Natural Flatulence
by R. A. Hettinga 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Hettinga The Geodesic Economy Liquid Natural Flatulence Boston, Massachusetts March 27, 2004 After more than a decade of thankfully irrelevant silence, the usual mathematical-reductionist ex-nihilo nonsense is again being emetted from the "(whatever) minutes to midnight" idiots at the Chicago-based Bulletin of the Atomic "Scientists". This time it was amplified to pain-threshold decibels this morning in the echo chamber on the Boston Globe's editorial page ("Boston's Ground Zero", The Boston Globe, Sunday, March 27, 2004 <http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/editorials/article s/2004/03/27/bostons_ground_zero?mode=PF> ). Precipitated, apparently, by the amplified feedback of a distant Home-Alone-horrors double-face-slap by Dick "Hey, Sumner, where's my advance check?" Clark, in a hearing-room somewhere on Capital Hill this week. This time, though, the usual horrors and foot-stomping Hyde Park hissy-fit is about about Boston's liquid natural gas (LNG) port, over in Everett. Personally, I love their mathematical reasoning, in the same way that I love hysterical paradoxes, contradictions and tautologies of all kinds. It turns out that, go figure, there is a stupendous amount of explosive energy in a very large tank of Liquid Natural Gas. Especially, experts say -- and, what would we do without experts -- if it were released all at once. Using the same logic, of course, if every Chinaman gave me a buck, I'd be a billionaire. Gosh. As a point of my own personal reference, I used to walk by the aforementioned "Scientists'" ridiculous "minutes to midnight" clock sign every day on the way to class in Chicago during the entire M-X missile, "nuclear freeze", "nuclear winter", "Testament", Reagan's-President-and-We're-All-Gonna-Die garbage in the early to mid-1980's. Every time the Democrats won a vote in Congress, the clock would go backwards. Every time the Republicans won, it would go forwards, counting down to nuclear oblivion. Gee. What a coincidence. Isn't "science" amazing, that it could make a calculation with such mathematical precision based on how *Congress* voted... In hindsight, of course, if they'd had their way, we'd all be quoting Marx in Russian or Chinese by now, and we'd be doing it everywhere in the US, not just in Hyde Park, Cambridge or Berkeley, places where they still do it now, though in English, and only when they're sure nobody can laugh at them. At the very least, we'd be living in the same constant terror of another kind, that of the total nuclear annihilation of every living thing down to, say, a slime mold. These "Scientists" are living -- barely, by some of their ages -- proof that the only thing more comical than a physicist "psychic-investigator" is a sanctimonious physicist-cum-crypto-politician. Especially one whose every utterance is literally sanctified by a leftist press and parroted there ad nauseam, like we saw happening in the Boston Globe this morning. So, let's add a few facts to the discussion, shall we? First, a confession of extreme personal, if not exactly plutographic, interest in this matter. For more than a decade now, on Wednesday nights during the summer, I crew on a sailboat that races in Boston Harbor. We sail right *by* this place. Twice, coming and going. Yup. The very dock where they offload the LNG that has our "Scientists'" panties in such a severe bunch. Hell, before 9/11, we've even had to duck the tanker occasionally in the middle of the Inner Harbor on our way to the next mark in the racecourse. Anyway, about a decade ago, Distrigas, the company that owns the facility in question, ran several *military* -- not law-enforcement - -- anti-terrorism scenarios to see exactly what would be needed to take the place out. What I've heard, albeit second-hand, is that in order to get a useful amount of that halfway-to-absolute-zero natural gas actually *flammable*, much less explosive, someone would have to ring the whole tank with a *huge* amount of explosives themselves, requiring, I'd bet, a whole *company*, if not a *battalion* of army troops to secure it for the time allowed to rig it all up. A time probably measured more in days, rather than hours, of uncontested *military* control of a very large facility. Fat chance, even in the Clinton Administration, who would probably be more likely to "negotiate" than fight, since everyone just *knows* that terrorism is a law-enforcement, and not a military, problem. Even then, even if they blew that ring of very large charges around the circumference of a very, very, large LNG tank, dumping its contents into the Island End and Mystic Rivers, *all* they would have is a very-fast, moving, *wave* of flammable *liquid*, giving you a *fire*, and not an explosion. Roughly the same as if you dumped a bunch of gasoline into the river and lit it. A *cryogenic* liquid, mind you, meaning that you'd have to heat the stuff up a lot, and very quickly, in order to set it ablaze, much less blow it up. A liquid which is busily sublimating directly into the gas that it is at room temperature, and diluting, accordingly, with the vast amount of normal air around it in the process. More to the point, as a gas, it's about half the weight of air itself, so it *rises*, as it dissipates, straight up, again, very quickly. It doesn't hang around, flowing down hill, and pooling like, say, C02 might, with the potential to asphyxiate people in the process. A nasty event, but certainly not the End of Boston As We Know It. Certainly not even on the order of, say, the Great Chicago Fire, speaking of the, um, "Windy" City, and though very dangerous, only for a short while. The gas that didn't dilute into inflammability would burn off *very* quickly. And, remember again, you have to *enclose* a burning gas to make it explosive first place. For instance, it's thought that most of the people who died in the Hindenburg, died from the fall, especially jumping out, but not from what looked to the newsreel camera like a catastrophic explosion of hydrogen, but what was, in fact, a very fast fire. Very few people were even burned by hydrogen itself, because it burns so quickly. Many more people were burned by rubber coated fabrics used to hold the hydrogen than by the hydrogen itself. The same thing would be said for natural gas in the open air. Wave your hand, once -- quickly -- though a gas flame on the stove to see what I'm talking about. So, in order to instantaneously vaporize that much LNG in enough time to cook it off in a fuel-air explosion that the aforementioned "scientists" are so "concerned" about, I'd bet you'd probably need, guess what, a *nuke*. A nuke, sunk somewhere deep inside the tank itself. And, of course, if you were going to go nuclear, you might as well just put a nuke on Franklin Street, at, say, Federal, and be done with it. Put the yield where the people are, in other words, instead of 5 miles, or whatever, away, in Everett and Chelsea. You'd have to do the same thing with a tanker, of course, only you'd have to do it much faster; minutes, seconds, even, and not in hours or days. In front of the Coast Guard. Who's paying attention, these days, with 50-calibers at the ready. Because the whole harbor comes to a stop when the LNG tanker comes in now, it's not just a moving feature of the Constitution Yacht Club racecourse anymore. In short, you'd need local air superiority and a nuclear-tipped bunker-buster bomb. Not just a jumbo-jet full of properly pacified passengers, who, after 9/11, are getting very hard to come by these days, anyway. To be completely charitable here, the Boston Globe, at least, and, apparently, the Professor of Chemical Engineering at, um, Arkansas -- Go Hawgs -- cited in the "Scientists" report, didn't go *that* far. Even someone as partisan as the Globe couldn't do that without being laughed off the page. Notice, then, they only talk below about second-degree burns, the blisters you get from a a very bad sunburn, or grabbing a hot skillet and letting go, and an actual blast radius of about a quarter-mile, which, oddly enough, is *exactly* the size of the no-man's land of pipes and valves around the Distrigas facility in Everett, or, even, the distance between an LNG tanker and the human-inhabited shoreline throughout most of its trip through Boston Harbor. But, make no mistake. The intent, in the Globe this morning, to terrify their typical readership of Blame-Bush innumerate technophobes, is very clear. So, I suppose one would say, what else is new? Well, it would be funny if it weren't so infuriating. What's really hilarious about all this erst-cold-war handwringing hysteria, this apparent re-animation of a whole fossil-strata of "scientists" who apparently have read more Marx (both Karl, and, from my side-splitting laughter, Groucho) than Newton in their day, is that if their fellow co-socialists, the various NIMBY green-is-really-red tree-hugger "coalitions" (and other children's play-date groups), had let the gas industry run a *pipeline* up here to New England like they have in the *rest* of the country decades ago, not only would our heating bills be significantly lower -- and, not coincidentally, Joe Kennedy's (speaking of "charity") heating-oil-for-publicity scam be out of business -- but they wouldn't be tearing their hair and rending their Solon's robes about how scary and ee-vil all this LNG technology is. Why? Because it wouldn't *be* here. That's right. And that's what's infuriating. They're idiots because, well, they're idiots, apparently. Hell, if they'd get out of the way of running just a *gas* pipeline down from the North Slope instead of *burning* *it* *off*, like we have to do now -- much less drilling a postage-stamp piece of ANWR and sending some *oil* down this way, too (just to compound their idiocy a little further) -- the price of heat in the east, and fuel at the gas-pump everywhere in the US, would fall through the floor. Ultimately, of course, the only answer to all of this is to figure out how to wrest government's hands from the necks of markets in general, and of people like you and me in particular. Only then will the dreck spewed from every orifice by press-sanctified idiots like the Bulletin of the Atomic "Scientists" stop being quoted with a straight face in our newspapers -- those of "record", and otherwise. In the meantime, we deal with a sort of inverse of progress, where instead of the solutions of our problems causing new, if you will, better, problems, like cancer or heart disease, where we actually get to live long enough to get them, we have a situation where our ignorant refusal to solve problems at all in turn, creates problems that are, patently, worse than the ones we ignore. Because, mark my words, instead of building a gas pipeline somewhere, or piping gas and oil down from Alaska, or whatever, we're going to, in all probability, do exactly what the Globe is agitating for below. Some expensive, wasteful, boondoggle of an LNG pipeline out to Stellwagon Bank somewhere -- to a cacophony of red-is-green NIMBYs anyway -- and prices of gas and oil will *continue* to rise, or at least be much more expensive relative to the rest of the country. And, yes, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus, more people *will* freeze than would otherwise. The "poor" *will*, in fact, be poorer. For what is, for lack of a better word -- because it sure isn't *science* -- a religion: Marxist universal-statism, disguised as environmentalism, disguised as homeland security, or whatever. And, like any religion, it's full of self-referential logic, irrational syllogisms, and just plain nonsense. And, like theocracies everywhere, they have their priests. They'll call them "Scientists", of course, though they are no such thing. Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQGYRgsPxH8jf3ohaEQKzvACg7UEbrtHHYeDt/k3jaV57Cds9RF8An2aa /CHd30MfKjA6wZ/vo8eYUyA0 =5YsN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: The Gilmore Dimissal
by Major Variola (ret) 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

At 04:35 PM 3/30/04 -0600, bgt wrote: >You need ID to drive, bus, train, or fly... I guess all that's left is >walking and possibly biking. :P The police can ask for ID if you're walking and fit a description ("negro in plaid shirt" I believe was the instance); also that Nevada case pending in the Supremes *may* mean that you must present papers. There was also a decision last year IIRC that said that car *passengers* had to show ID if asked. Not drivers, passengers. And of course its illegal to lie to pigs. And not vice-versa. Not sure if biking on a road requires ID, but you are subject to traffic law; I knew a guy who got a traffic ticket for running a stop sign. Also bikes may require licenses for $ in some towns. Go for the head shot, they're wearing body armor. --G. Gordon Liddy

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The Gilmore Dimissal
by Eric Cordian 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

It's really getting to the point where judges don't even go through the motions of respecting the Constitution any more. All they have to do is recite the magic words that "Society's Overwhelming Interest" in protecting its children, police officers, kitty cats, or whatever, overrides whatever Constitutional issues there are. So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe. Similarly, society's interest in ensuring the safety of airline passengers allows ID to be demanded and searches, and anyways, your right to freely travel is not being impeded, because there's always Greyhound. Of course, they can stop the bus and search everyone on it at will too. These problems stem directly from the horrible mistake, many years ago in the early days of our Republic, of letting what the Constitution says be what the judiciary claims the Constitution says, as opposed to what the Constitution itself states, thus giving the Judicial branch of government absolute power over the Legislative and Executive branches. As George Wallace once stated, "The country is run by thugs and federal judges." -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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RE: The Gilmore Dimissal
by Tyler Durden 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

"So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something about making sure he's safe." Actually, this is particularly hilarious. The Cops in New Orleans have become astoundingly corrupt recently, with shootouts between rival factions occuring during Bank Holdups (ie, between the cops robbing the bank and a rival group arriving on scene to "uphold the law" and protecting their own stake). Apparently the payout for such activities has risen high enough that local judges are now in on the action. Next time a government official talks about "protecting the public" try to see if he winks into the camera... -TD >From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: The Gilmore Dimissal >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:22:35 -0800 (PST) > >It's really getting to the point where judges don't even go through the >motions of respecting the Constitution any more. All they have to do is >recite the magic words that "Society's Overwhelming Interest" in >protecting its children, police officers, kitty cats, or whatever, >overrides whatever Constitutional issues there are. > >So of course, society's interest in protecting police officers allows New >Orleans police to search your home or business at any time, for any >reason, or for no reason at all. As long as the cop mumbles something >about making sure he's safe. > >Similarly, society's interest in ensuring the safety of airline passengers >allows ID to be demanded and searches, and anyways, your right to freely >travel is not being impeded, because there's always Greyhound. Of course, >they can stop the bus and search everyone on it at will too. > >These problems stem directly from the horrible mistake, many years ago in >the early days of our Republic, of letting what the Constitution says be >what the judiciary claims the Constitution says, as opposed to what the >Constitution itself states, thus giving the Judicial branch of government >absolute power over the Legislative and Executive branches. > >As George Wallace once stated, "The country is run by thugs and federal >judges." > >-- >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division >"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" > _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave…

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RE: who needs Padilla when you have govt?
by Tyler Durden 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

Just for the heck of it, it would be interesting to look at demographic data for the area.... -TD >From: "Major Variola (ret.)" <mv(a)cdc.gov> >Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >To: "cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net> >Subject: who needs Padilla when you have govt? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 >09:34:54 -0800 > >STATE OF CONNETICUT REPORTED THE DISCOVERY OF A STRONTIUM-90 SOURCE > >The item was found adjacent to a house in a wooded area in East Lyme, >CT. It was a cylinder measuring 6 inches in length and 2 inches in >diameter. The bottom of the cylinder had the following serial number: >M2477. It was a general licensed strontium-90 source. The source was >contained inside a metal box with a radioactive material symbol on the >outside. The State response personnel conducted a radiological survey. >The source read 250 millirem per hour on contact for gamma. The source >read 3.2 rem per hour on contact for beta. At 12 inches, the source >measured 5 millirem per hour. At one meter the source measured less than >1 millirem per hour. The State took the source to a secure locked >location for followup on Monday to try to determine the owner. > >* * * UPDATE 0900 ON 3/29/04 MOSS (NMSS) TO GOTT * * * > >The item was identified as a component to a helicopter In-flight Blade >Inspection System. Notified Mark Evetts at the Homeland Security >Operations Center. > >http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2004/20040… > _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/

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who needs Padilla when you have govt?
by Major Variola (ret.) 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

STATE OF CONNETICUT REPORTED THE DISCOVERY OF A STRONTIUM-90 SOURCE The item was found adjacent to a house in a wooded area in East Lyme, CT. It was a cylinder measuring 6 inches in length and 2 inches in diameter. The bottom of the cylinder had the following serial number: M2477. It was a general licensed strontium-90 source. The source was contained inside a metal box with a radioactive material symbol on the outside. The State response personnel conducted a radiological survey. The source read 250 millirem per hour on contact for gamma. The source read 3.2 rem per hour on contact for beta. At 12 inches, the source measured 5 millirem per hour. At one meter the source measured less than 1 millirem per hour. The State took the source to a secure locked location for followup on Monday to try to determine the owner. * * * UPDATE 0900 ON 3/29/04 MOSS (NMSS) TO GOTT * * * The item was identified as a component to a helicopter In-flight Blade Inspection System. Notified Mark Evetts at the Homeland Security Operations Center. http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2004/20040…

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eVoting mistakes affect race, certified anyway
by Major Variola (ret.) 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

Ballot Error Effect Cited Orange County registrar says incorrect electronic ballots may have altered a race's outcome, but says results will be certified today. By Jean O. Pasco Times Staff Writer March 30, 2004 Although some Orange County voters cast the wrong electronic ballots in the March 2 primary, potentially altering the outcome of one race for a Democratic Party post, Registrar Steve Rodermund said he will certify the results of the election today. In a report circulated late Monday to the Board of Supervisors, Rodermund acknowledged for the first time that his office's failures could have affected a race and gave ammunition to critics of electronic voting. The report said 33 voters out of 16,655 in the 69th Assembly District received the wrong ballots and were unable to vote for six open seats on the Democratic Central Committee. The candidate who finished seventh in that contest, Art Hoffman, trailed sixth-place candidate Jim Pantone in the final count by 13 votes. However, 99.7% of Orange County ballots were cast properly in the primary, Rodermund will tell supervisors today before certifying the election results to the secretary of state. <snip> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-machines30mar30,1,4776413,pr… Fuck democracy, we've got money to spend!

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[Remops] Comparison between two practical mix designs (Mixmaster vs. Reliable) (fwd from peter@palfrader.org)
by Eugen Leitl 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

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UI expert?
by R. A. Hettinga 29 Mar '04

29 Mar '04

Telegraph. Telephone. Tell Hettinga. Ben Laurie, of Apache SSL, The Bunker, and Lucre fame, among other stuff, is looking for UI help on something, and I'm passing it along. Contact him directly. Cheers, RAH Who's been Pre-killfiled already. Blacklists? Blacklists??? We don' need no *steenkin'* blacklists... ------ At 3:26 PM -0500 3/29/04, Ben Laurie <ben(a)algroup.co.uk> wrote to his Orkut friends: > >friends of friends > > > > subject: > >UI expert? > > > > > message: > >OK, since the purpose of Orkut is to send spam without getting >blacklisted, here's my bit of spam - does anyone know a really good UI >person who'd like to work on free software (no, that doesn't mean its >unpaid)? > >If so, send 'em my way... -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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