December 2004 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Liberty Dollar
by Gary Jeffers 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

My fellow Cypherpunks, The Liberty Dollar My fellow Cypherpunks, I think I may have some really great news here, but you all can check it out to be sure. I found an alternative money on the Internet. It is called the Liberty Dollar. The Internet site is: http://www.norfed.org NORFED is The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code. The money is backed by silver and gold and can be redeemed widely in America. As many of you know, the $US is a corrupt, proprietary, debt issued, fait, fractional reserved,illegal, unconstituional, U. S. State enforced monopoly currency. As corrupt as it is I don't know why it hasn't already collasped and dragged us down with it! If the Liberty Dollar is honest and robust, then it may be the vehical to beat the elite bankers tyranny and give us an honest wealth produced money. Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE !!!!

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RE: Cypherpunks IQ Test
by Aimee Farr 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Mike: Are you often the victim of mercenary females? > -----Original Message----- > From: mmotyka(a)lsil.com [mailto:mmotyka@lsil.com] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:28 PM > To: aimee.farr(a)pobox.com > Subject: Cypherpunks IQ Test > > > It's an obvious setup. The woods are part of a defense installation, > apple is filled with coke, the girl is underage, the woods are full of > trigger happy fibbies. > > You hit the ground and roll into the brush, drawing on the way. You > attempt to locate opponents and identify the safest route away from the > situation. > > Mike > > > >CYPHERPUNKS IQ TEST > > > >QUESTION #1. > > > >You are walking through the woods alone. A beautiful unclothed woman > >magically appears in front of you. She holds out an apple. > > > >1. Please darken in the correct choice using a Number Two pencil: > > > >(a) you bite the apple. > >(b) you take the woman. > >(c) you run away. > >(d) a and b, but not c. > >(e) b and c only. > >(f) all of the above. > >(g) none of the above. > > > >2. Please justify your answer: > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________. > > > > > >Just curious.... > > > > -Aimee

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More on "new physics"
by Tim May 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Someone sent me a private note. I have deleted his name for this public reply. > Tim May wrote: > > >> The "new physics" stuff is quite different. It is scorned in a way >> that plate tectonics was not, and for good reason. Folks should visit >> Bearden's site. http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/index.html > > I did. Oh, dear. > > Not sure what is supposed to be denoted by "Tesla physics", but Tesla's > work with power transmission via HF is fascinating, even if there was > apparently no practical or safe use for it. No one disputes the outstanding work Tesla did on a.c. transmission. And anyone who has seen or used a Tesla coil knows how real it is. "Tesla physics" is all the cruft that has developed around some of his more obscure (and late) writings, usually mixed together with stuff Tesla could not have known about at the time of his death. To wit, the stuff about zero point energy and perpetual motion machines. And, sometimes, mixed together with the usual nutcase stuff about the Hollow Earth theory (zeta reticulans colonizing the hollow earth, Greys, underground UFO bases, secret Nazi weapons, etc.). Tesla is a hero to these "new physics" nuts, even though nothing Tesla ever worked on or built contradicts in the slightest way the predictions of Maxwell's theories. They take Tesla's very real contributions and some of his weirder theories (though none of them so weird as the Hollow Earth/antigravity/time reversal theories of modern nutters) and say that this means "They laughed at Tesla, they laugh at me!" BTW, I was/am an early ("angel") investor in a company doing work on ultrawideband transmissions. Some of the works Bearden cites, like those of Barrett, are familiar to me and others with this company. Saying that there is a role for ultrawideband pulse technology, a la spread spectrum and beyond SS, is NOT the same as saying there are confirmed "problems" with electromagnetic theory. There may be, and there are a handful of folks doing "foundational" work in E&M, but, so far, there are no indications that their foundational work is changing any engineering calculations. Quite the contrary, in my view. Electromagnetic theory basically "works"--to many decimal places of accuracy. Circuits work as expected, antennas work as expected, and there are no "unexplained observations" (as usually exist before a new theory arrives). There may be some _semantic_ issues, e.g., does a square wave or impulse "really" have components that were sent out _before_ the square wave or impulse? (A Fourier decomposition of a square wave starting at time t = 0 has "sine wave components" spread out over time and adding up in such a way as to give the square wave, or the impulse, or any other signal. Some think this means deep and mysterious things are happening, something having to do with time travel and reversing the aging process, blah blah blah. Henning Harmuth may write fairly eloquently about the "dogma of the circle" and how the Fourier decomposition of a signal into (allegedly) a near-infinite series of sine waves is "not real," but for all intents and purposes it all works. And the "new physics" people like Bearden go way beyond what Harmuth and Barrett are talking about: they bring in "curved space-time" and gravitation and antigravity and the ultra-weird notion that aging can be reversed by "pumping the conjugate time-axis of the Minkowski manifold" (OK, I made this up...don't have time to lift one of Bearden's direct quotes...and this will help train me in the jargon if I ever become a "new physicist."). Nut cases like Bearden have the patter of physics down. Very few actual physicists waste their time dissecting and refuting Bearden for obvious reasons. I urge readers of this list not to waste time on this stuff. --Tim May, Citizen-unit of of the once free United States " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "--Thomas Jefferson, 1787

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Re: A Trial Balloon to Ban Email?
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

At 09:57 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: >Yes, but how will you stop the spammer from double spending the same $0.25 >micropayment on all of his 170,000 email addresses? Depending on whether >you check that there is a payment attached or not, and also check it with >the bank before delivering it, you'd have already wasted your bandwith and >possibly have accepted a spam into your mail spool. It is true that the notions of micropayments as applied to spam (that I'm familiar with, at least) would require that the email recipient check with the bank to detect doublespending. This would introduce an additional delay before delivery from unknown senders, yes, but I fail to see how it would impose an unacceptable cost in bandwidth or CPU usage. Spammers could still try the same-micropayment-a-million-times route, just as they could try to spam without micropayments, but if their email is rejected in sufficient quantities, the cost to the spammer would outweigh the benefits. The key is achieving sufficient quantities. -Declan

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Re: AP Al Qaeda
by mattd 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

>>No, no. AP is funny because it's impracticeable. One does not find an assassin exclusively by tracing who paid him to kill. One can (and often does) find him because he makes a mistake in the act of commiting the crime. Which, if I'm >>reading my history right, is what's hampered the noisy proponents of AP up to this point already. Crime? Wot crime,guvnor? Jim and CJ were not 'noisy'.imo. Im a bit noisy cos Im pushing the 'let it all hang out' version. >The point is that Bell's theory does a really good job of sorting out the business end of assassination,...< Oh THATS funny.I get it. HAHAHA! >>Killing one person, especially a public official, pisses a whole bunch of people off. Those people have a tendency to come find their buddy's killer. Mmm,where do we start,lets get some firebrands and go up to the proffrs? Look at sites with no logs for quad anon 'predictors' who may be overseas briefly visiting cybercafes,Good luck china.(you just contradicted yrself btw.) Oh,unless you mean the torture/french village reprisal thang.Win friends and influence people. The one person killed will have had to have done a lot of evil shit to get enough pooled (presumably) to tempt a seasoned pro.Unless some professional killer turns all altruistic,stranger things have happened.The killer could be suicidal.another possibility.Lots of scenarios possible here,movie scripts,even.Pop songs,video games.DoCoMo assasinphones. Someone like a torturer,murderer,terrorist,pedophile is a logical candidate.(stephen roach?)Sometimes these happen to be public officials.Theres one here where I live named dennis Tanner.(vic.au) Those killers by remote control like arbusto might be be made more accountable. What better way than...Bell's theory, "a really good job of sorting out the business end of assassination"according to you. KILL THE PRESIDENT! "Id buy that for a dollar!" >>No kind of real or threatened assassination can weaken a government in which a majority of the governed people >believe. It can only make it seem more righteous and be more strong. Thats true,roll over and go back to sleep,if you live under that govt you have nothing to worry about. More righteous and more smug.

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[Lucrative-L] double spends, identity agnosticism, and Lucrative
by R. A. Hettinga 20 May '05

20 May '05

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happy newyear's eve
by A.Melon 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

Angleton, James Hugh ssdi 215-50-2639 1888-12-05 1973-04 NCR businessman, former Col., wife Carmen Mercedes Moreno, Boise, ID Angleton, James Jesus unres 1917-12-09 1987-05-11 CIA/OSS, possibly b. 1918- Col. James Hugh Angleton, Carmen Mercedes Moreno, Boise, ID Asimov, Isaac ssdi 055-24-6410 1920-01-02 1992-04-06 author, source of the laws of robotics Bissell, Richard Mervin ssdi 129-10-9645 1909-10-18 1994-02-15 CIA Boggs, Thomas Hale, Sr. missing 433-01-1763 1914-02-15 1972-10-16 congressperson Bulger, James Joseph "Whitey" missing a.k.a. Thomas Baxter; mob, Winter Hill Gang Casey, William James ssdi 130-12-7576 1913-03-13 1987-05-06 CIA Colby, William Egan ssdi 577-28-7679 1920-01-04 1996-04-27 CIA Connally, John Bowden ssdi 466-03-9768 1917-02-27 1993-06-15 TX Governor; hit during JFK assassination Cooper, John Sherman ssdi 361-09-8366 1901-08-23 1991-02-21 senator; warren commission Crick, Francis Harry Compton unres 1916-06-08 2004-07-28 co-discoverer of DNA Cunanan, Andrew Phillip unres 1969-08-31 1997-07-23 murdered Gianni Versace Deming, William Edwards ssdi 085-26-4468 1900-10-14 1993-12-20 production/management expert Dick, Philip Kindred ssdi 550-38-3080 1928-12-16 1982-03-02 writer, sci-fi Dijkstra, Edsger Wybe ssdi 459-67-5076 1930-05-11 2002-08-06 computer scientist Dirac, Paul Adrien Maurice ssdi 153-36-3061 1902-08-08 1984-10-20 founder of quantum mechanics Disney, Walter "Walt" ssdi 562-10-0296 1901-12-05 1966-12-15 inventor Donovan, William Joseph pre-ss 1883-01-01 1959-02-08 lawyer, OSS Dulles, Allen Welsh ssdi 086-28-2350 1893-04-07 1969-01-29 CIA; warren commission Eisenhower, Dwight David "Ike" ssdi 572-64-0315 1890-10-14 1969-03-28 president Feynman, Richard Phillips ssdi 098-03-1009 1918-05-11 1988-02-15 physicist Forrestal, James Vincent pre-ss 1892-02-15 1949-05-22 first Secretary of Defense, suicide Foster, Vincent Walker, Jr. ssdi 429-80-1132 1945-01-15 1993-07-20 lawyer Geisel, Theodor Seuss ssdi 552-38-5014 1904-03-02 1991-09-24 Dr. Seuss Genovese, Catherine "Kitty" unres 1935 1964-03-13 murder victim Giancana, Sam "Momo" ssdi 326-18-6902 1908-05-24 1975-06-19 mafia, possible CIA assassination (ssdi: b. 06-15) Harris, Eric ssdi 284-82-1478 1981-04-09 1999-04-20 Columbine Helms, Richard McGarrah ssdi 317-01-6292 1913-03-30 2002-10-23 CIA Herbert, Frank Patrick ssdi 549-26-9691 1920-10-08 1986-02-11 writer, sci-fi Hiss, Alger ssdi 087-32-7727 1904-11-11 1996-11-15 KGB spy Hoffa, James Riddle "Jimmy" missing 1913-02-14 1975-07-30 mafia Hoffman, Abbott "Abbie" ssdi 030-28-6194 1936-11-30 1989-04-15 radical Hoover, John Edgar ssdi 577-60-1114 1895-01-01 1972-05-15 FBI Johnson, Lyndon Baines ssdi 577-60-6128 1908-08-27 1973-01-22 president Jones, James Warren "Jim" ssdi 303-32-5942 1931-05-13 1978-11-18 cultist Katzenbach, Nicholas ssdi 335-03-1844 1901-02-26 1972-12 attorney general Kennedy, Robert Francis "Bobby" ssdi 026-24-0879 1925-11-20 1968-06-06 U.S. Attorney General King, Martin Luther, Jr. ssdi 253-36-3980 1929-01-15 1968-04-04 revolutionary Klebold, Dylan ssdi 524-45-5481 1981-09-11 1999-04-20 Columbine Korzybski, Alfred Habdank Skarbek pre-ss 1879-07-03 1950-03-01 founder of General Semantics Lansky, Meyer ssdi 109-03-8534 1902-07-04 1983-01-15 mafia Leary, Timothy Francis ssdi 032-07-5410 1920-10-22 1996-05-31 LSD Lee, Brandon unres 1965-02-01 1993-03-31 The Crow Lee, Bruce ssdi 564-58-5856 1940-11-27 1973-07-20 martial artist (ssdi: b. 11-24) McCloy, John Jay ssdi 578-32-5244 1895-03-31 1989-03-11 World Bank president; warren commission McCone, John Alex ssdi 562-09-7959 1902-01-04 1991-02-14 CIA McVeigh, Timothy James ssdi 129-58-4709 1968-04-23 2001-06-11 executed for the OKC bombing Miler, Newton B. ssdi 481-03-5505 1900-10-28 1992-01-25 CIA, in the CIA SIG Mortensen, Norma Jeane pre-ss 1926-06-01 1962-08-05 Marilyn Monroe; playboy, suicide Nixon, Richard Milhous ssdi 567-68-0515 1913-01-09 1994-04-22 president Offie, Carmel ssdi 578-44-7515 1909-09-22 1972-06 CIA, don juan Orlov, Igor "Sasha" ssdi 578-54-4451 1922-01-01 1982-05 CIA, KGB mole; aka Alexander Koptatzky Oswald, Lee Harvey unres 433-54-3937 1939-10-18 1963-11-24 alleged JFK assassin Pauling, Linus Carl ssdi 545-44-4297 1901-02-28 1994-08-19 chemist Pearl, Daniel ssdi 547-35-3986 1963-10-10 2002-01-31 journalist Elvis Presley ssdi 409-52-2002 1935-01-08 1977-08-16 singer Rand, Ayn ssdi 571-32-9405 1905-02-02 1982-03-06 writer; born Alissa Zinovievna Rosenbaum Ray, James Earl ssdi 728-09-4027 1928-03-10 1998-04-23 assassin (MLK) Reagan, Ronald Wilson unres 1911-02-06 2004-06-05 U.S. president Richardson, Elliot Lee ssdi 028-18-8016 1920-07-20 1999-12-31 lawyer, politician, Nixon-related (ssdi: d. 12-15) Rocca, Raymond G. ssdi 227-60-1579 1917-02-22 1993-11-11 CIA/OSS, Angleton Rocca, George Raymond ssdi 378-92-8331 1925-01-27 2000-09-21 CIA/OSS, alternate possibility Rockefeller, Nelson ssdi 056-09-0954 1908-07-08 1979-01-26 vice president 41, NY governor Ruby, Jack Leon unres 359-10-5891 1911 1967-01-03 JFK-related, killed LHO; b. Jacob Leon Rubenstein Russell, Richard, Jr. ssdi 256-70-0796 1897-11-02 1971-01-21 senator; warren commission Ryan, Thelma "Patricia" Catherine ssdi 568-09-8510 1912-03-16 1993-06 first lady (Nixon) Sagan, Carl Edward ssdi 338-30-6096 1934-11-09 1996-12-20 astronomer Salk, Jonas ssdi 578-38-3944 1914-10-28 1995-06-23 biologist Shannon, Claude Elwood ssdi 096-16-3629 1916-04-30 2001-02-24 mathematician Simpson, Nicole Brown ssdi 573-72-9948 1959-05-19 1994-06-13 ex-wife of O.J. Simpson Spann, Johnny Micheal ssdi 416-21-6382 1969-03-01 2001-11-25 CIA Teller, Edward ssdi 348-28-0765 1908-01-15 2003-09-09 physicist Thurmond, James Strom ssdi 250-64-5145 1902-12-05 2003-06-26 senator Tolson, Clyde Anderson ssdi 577-60-2204 1900-05-22 1975-04-15 FBI assoc. director under Hoover Tordella, Louis William ssdi 579-44-0892 1911-05-01 1996-01-10 NSA Trafficante, Santo, Jr. ssdi 265-50-2785 1914-11-15 1987-03-17 mob Truman, Harry ssdi 488-40-6969 1884-05-08 1972-12-26 president Warren, Earl ssdi 563-66-5198 1891-03-19 1974-07-09 supreme court justice; warren commission White, Harry Dexter pre-ss 1892-10 1948-08-16 worldbank, IMF, communist spy, SecTreas Whitman, Charles Joseph unres 1941-06-23 1966-08-01 murderer Zelazny, Roger Joseph ssdi 289-32-9071 1937-05-13 1995-06-14 sci-fi writer Zorn, Max August ssdi 307-40-0356 1906-06-06 1993-03-09 mathematician

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[IP] more on The Shadow Internet (fwd from dave@farber.net)
by Eugen Leitl 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> -----

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[ISN] Online Banks Will Be Liable for 'Hacking' Damages in 2006
by InfoSec News 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200412/200412300030.html Park Jong-se Dec. 30, 2004 Starting from 2006, financial institutions will be held responsible for any damage consumers may suffer at the hands of hackers or from malfunctioning computer systems while engaging in financial transactions on the Internet. The government adopted a financial e-transaction bill during a vice ministerial meeting Thursday. The bill will be discussed at a Cabinet meeting scheduled for Jan. 4 before being submitted to the National Assembly. According to the bill, if consumers incur damages or loss while engaging in e-banking because of an incident caused by a third factor, such as a case of hacking or computer system meltdowns, financial institutions or e-banking service providers will be liable. An exception that grants financial institutions immunity is also included in the bill. If consumers cause a problem deliberately or by their own mistakes, they will be held accountable. The bill states that consumers' identification number, secret code and certified document, all of which are essential prerequisites for e-banking, should be issued only when consumers apply for them and after their identity has been confirmed. It also mandates that transaction records should be kept. _________________________________________ Open Source Vulnerability Database (OSVDB) Everything is Vulnerable - http://www.osvdb.org/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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[ISN] Online Banks Will Be Liable for 'Hacking' Damages in 2006
by InfoSec News 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200412/200412300030.html Park Jong-se Dec. 30, 2004 Starting from 2006, financial institutions will be held responsible for any damage consumers may suffer at the hands of hackers or from malfunctioning computer systems while engaging in financial transactions on the Internet. The government adopted a financial e-transaction bill during a vice ministerial meeting Thursday. The bill will be discussed at a Cabinet meeting scheduled for Jan. 4 before being submitted to the National Assembly. According to the bill, if consumers incur damages or loss while engaging in e-banking because of an incident caused by a third factor, such as a case of hacking or computer system meltdowns, financial institutions or e-banking service providers will be liable. An exception that grants financial institutions immunity is also included in the bill. If consumers cause a problem deliberately or by their own mistakes, they will be held accountable. The bill states that consumers' identification number, secret code and certified document, all of which are essential prerequisites for e-banking, should be issued only when consumers apply for them and after their identity has been confirmed. It also mandates that transaction records should be kept. _________________________________________ Open Source Vulnerability Database (OSVDB) Everything is Vulnerable - http://www.osvdb.org/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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