June 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

I love announcements like this
by Declan McCullagh 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

today... SURVEILLANCE MATTERS Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) (F.R. Page 35631) Closed meeting to discuss surveillance matters. Location: 1155 21st St., NW, 9th Floor Conference Room, Washington, D.C.. 11 a.m. Contact: Jean Webb, 202-418-5100 **CLOSED**

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RE: [NTLK] OT: Dictatorial Powers (fwd)
by Vincent Penquerc'h 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

> Nice (offtopic to that list) discussion over on the NewtonTalk mailing > list.... :) [...] > >> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/6007732.htm Heh, when reading > After the Sept. 11 attacks, members of the House wrestled with the > issue of their own mortality. I actually read: > After the Sept. 11 attacks, members of the House wrestled with the > issue of their own morality. :) -- Vincent Penquerc'h

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Pvt. Lynch story fabricated?
by Riad S. Wahby 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

I didn't see any reference to this in the archive, and thought some here might be interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/3028585.stm Remember Private Lynch, the clerk who was captured and then "rescued" from a hospital? No wonder it looked so good on camera---it was produced by Jerry Bruckheimer. -- Riad Wahby rsw(a)jfet.org MIT VI-2 M.Eng

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Re: Destroying computers
by Bill Stewart 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

> > > Methinks Mr Hatch is not a very bright man. > > A Southern senator. Need I say more? >Utah is Southern? I do not want directions from you. :-) I think people have been mixing up Orrin Hatch with Jesse Helms. Both are right-wingers who didn't really like the 20th century, much less the 21st, both have right-wing religious constituencies (though radically different religions), but they're really quite different.

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(Bald) Weenies at Amnesty International
by Eric Cordian 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Turns out the scumbags at Amnesty International have decided to call for the Canadian government to investigate and charge Ernst Zundel for not kowtowing to the official version of "The Holocaust(tm)" as promulgated by the ADL. Zundel has been sitting in jail in Canada after being booted out of the US at the behest of the Neocons in the state department for missing an imigration hearing that was never scheduled. Canada is trying to deport him to Germany, as a "national security threat," where he may be persecuted under German anti-free speech laws. Amnesty has also issued a statement saying that it is their policy that they will "not adopt people imprisoned for 'hate speech' as prisoners of conscience." Well, that certainly covers a lot of territory, doesn't it. Figuring out what country and what group of people try to get all criticism of their conduct labeled as "hate speech" will be left as an exercise for the reader. http://www.nationalpost.com/national/story.html?id=3F1AC4C7-2AF0-4552-99FC-… -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: Destroying computers
by privacy.at Anonymous Remailer 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:41:52 -0700, you wrote: > > At 01:07 AM 6/19/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > > Methinks Mr Hatch is not a very bright man. > > A Southern senator. Need I say more? Yes, a little more. Do you mean "southern Utah"? Hey, any stereotype in a storm, eh?

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Re: [NTLK] OT: Dictatorial Powers (fwd)
by Sunder 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Nice (offtopic to that list) discussion over on the NewtonTalk mailing list.... :) ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD. \|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! --------_sunder_(a)_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:56:52 -0500 From: Chip Matteson <chip(a)moonlightphoto.net> To: newtontalk(a)newtontalk.net Subject: Re: [NTLK] OT: Dictatorial Powers We nearly got that in Texas last month when the Republicans tried to Jerrymander out the Democrats. The Democrats actually had to go to Oklahoma to squash the quorum on redistricting. The Republican Governor, Rick Perry, sent the Texas Rangers to bring them back. Texas Rangers do not have jursdiciton in OK. It was also reported that Tom Delay, US house Republican, used the special powers granted to fight terrorism to get the Democrats out of Oklahoma. Land of the free! On 6/19/03 1:33 PM, "Johannes Spielhagen" <gottjott(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 19.06.03 um 11:33 Uhr schrieb eric engle: > >> What would you say to a constitutional amendment to give the president >> dictatorial powers? >> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/6007732.htm >> >> > This is a real cool thing. We had such a thing in Germany only a few > years ago (around 1933-1945) as well ("Notstandsverordnungen") and > after that the whole country was not in the state (pun not intended) > you would desire to find it. And funny, nobody liked us anymore. > > Johannes -- Chip Matteson Moonlight Photographics 811-R West Kings Hwy San Antonio, TX 78212 On the web: www.moonlightphoto.net/ E-mail: chip(a)moonlightphoto.net 210-733-7358 Work 210-733-9982 Fax 210-602-9192 Mobile -- This is the NewtonTalk list - http://www.newtontalk.net/ for all inquiries List FAQ/Etiquette/Terms: http://www.newtontalk.net/faq.html Official Newton FAQ: http://www.chuma.org/newton/faq/

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Re: You Don't Say
by Major Variola (ret) 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

At 10:00 AM 6/19/03 -0700, R. A. Hettinga wrote: ><http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2003/061803p.htm> >thousands of Americans, and the Times is dismayed, perplexed, angry and shocked that some of them may have been >subjected to the sort of manhandling that occurs in the hallways of middle schools throughout the nation. Manhandling the bitch Coulter tolerates, and then is surprised when the manhandled show up in trenchcoats, with guns, lots of guns, and a simple exit plan. Analogies to US policies, 9/11, etc left as an exercise to the reader. --- An RPG a day keeps the invaders away...

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[Brinworld] Car's data recorder convicts driver
by Major Variola (ret.) 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

(ok, from slashdot..) http://www.newhouse.com/archive/jensen061203.html

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Re: Destroying computers
by John Washburn 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Utah is Southern? I do not want directions from you. :-) And as an aside why is Southern=Stupid. Most of the truly dense people I have met in my life are self-righteous Yankees. Southerners, by and large, will say "Idda know" instead of spout foolishness. -----Original Message----- From: Major Variola (ret) [mailto:mv@cdc.gov] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:42 AM To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com Subject: Re: Destroying computers At 01:07 AM 6/19/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > Methinks Mr Hatch is not a very bright man. A Southern senator. Need I say more? Usual suspect wrote: >>If Orrin Hatch proposes such a thing, we can propose technologies which >>identify those from .gov or .mil or other Congress/Gov't. domains and send >>lethal viruses and suchlike back to them to destroy their machines if they >>illegally connect to our machines. Trivial to do, and legal, if they are advised and consent by clicking through. M$'s auto bug- / RAMsnooping- reporting is legal since the lUsers agreed. One man's trojan is another's remote control / file sharing program, baby. Similarly an encryption program that won't decrypt without a license. I have often considered releasing binaries with a EULA that stipulates various actions taken if found to be running on machines whose IP address reverse-lookups to an evil, (specified) TLD. No different than a demo program that won't save results without a license; if the license is granted automatically for non-evil TLDs. Similarly with M$'s auto posting of RAM. Of course, that astronomy Professor Usher would be pretty bummed when his research was toasted by an RIAA killbot, but then the Prof employs a provocatory surname, no? "Collateral damage" -hey, he could change his name, after all. Maybe to David Nelson :-) ---- If programmers are liable for security flaws in code, are legislators liable for unconstitutional laws they pass?

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