June 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Low cost cruise missile
by Major Variola (ret) 29 Jun '03

29 Jun '03

At 03:55 PM 6/29/03 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: >Good grief, what a load of drivel! I'm sure Bruce will be amused to hear that >the toys he plays with in his spare time are now a threat to world security... >I wonder what his pulsejet-powered go-kart would be classed as? Its a good thing that SRL [srl.org] is concerned with art (and pissing off fire marshalls), not terrorism... The German V-2 and the US Honest John missiles were both unguided. That's 50 year old tech. ... "Terrorists are the only true avant-garde artists because they're the only ones who are still capable of really surprising people." ---Laurie Anderson

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Re: Low cost cruise missile
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 29 Jun '03

29 Jun '03

Steve Schear <schear(a)attbi.com> writes: >A New Zealand home handyman's bid to construct a cruise missile in his shed >has made global headlines, and the British media have dubbed him a threat to >world security. > >http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/05/1054700311550.html Good grief, what a load of drivel! I'm sure Bruce will be amused to hear that the toys he plays with in his spare time are now a threat to world security... I wonder what his pulsejet-powered go-kart would be classed as? The journalist obviously went to a lot of trouble phoning various agencies and people for comment, but didn't spend 10 seconds with google to see that these things are commonly available all over the world. (I think Bruce may have, to some extent, shot himself in the foot a bit by presenting it the way he has, although given his talent for self-promotion I'm sure it wasn't accidental :-). Maybe he'll get his funding now. In any case anyone can buy a standard commercially-built jet engine or build their own from one of the zillion web pages devoted to this topic and have as much of a "cruise missile" as he has. The guidance system is left as an exercise for the reader). Must have been a really slow news day... Peter.

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Low cost cruise missile
by Steve Schear 28 Jun '03

28 Jun '03

[A few years back, on this list, Lucky Green and I discussed the creation of a competition for low-cost self-guided planes. We postulated that even back then it was a practical undertaking for advanced composite general aviation kit builders and radio control hobbyists. To pass legal muster, the building and design of prototypes can be undertaken as single passenger experimental vehicles with the human payload replaced by other payloads when desired. Save the construction plan page content before its purged.]] A New Zealand home handyman's bid to construct a cruise missile in his shed has made global headlines, and the British media have dubbed him a threat to world security. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/05/1054700311550.html http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml "A Jobless Recovery is like a Breadless Sandwich." -- Steve Schear

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Attacking networks using DHCP, DNS - probably kills DNSSEC
by Bill Stewart 28 Jun '03

28 Jun '03

Somebody did an interesting attack on a cable network's customers. They cracked the cable company's DHCP server, got it to provide a "Connection-specific DNS suffic" pointing to a machine they owned, and also told it to use their DNS server. This meant that when your machine wanted to look up yahoo.com, it would look up yahoo.com.attackersdomain.com instead. This looks like it has the ability to work around DNSSEC. Somebody trying to verify that they'd correctly reached yahoo.com would instead verify that they'd correctly reached yahoo.com.attackersdomain.com, which can provide all the signatures it needs to make this convincing. So if you're depending on DNSSEC to secure your IPSEC connection, do make sure your DNS server doesn't have a suffix of echelon.nsa.gov... ------------------------------ RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Saturday 17 June 2003 Volume 22 : Issue 78 http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/22.78.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:33:15 -0400 From: Tom Van Vleck <thvv(a)multicians.org> Subject: ISP's DHCP servers infiltrated http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/19/2325235&mode=thread&tid=126… "... It turns out, Charter Communications' DHCP servers were infiltrated and were providing p5115.tdko.com as the 'Connection-specific DNS suffix', causing all non-hardened Windows (whatever that means in a Windows context) machines to get lookups from a hijacked subdomain DNS server which simply responded to every query with a set of 3 addresses (66.220.17.45, 66.220.17.46, 66.220.17.47). On these IPs were some phantom services. There were proxying Web servers (presumably collecting cookies and username/password combos), as well as an ssh server where the perpetrators were most likely hoping people would simply say 'yes' to the key differences and enter in their username/password..." Hmm, my cable ISP was down this morning. Maybe coincidence. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)metzdowd.com

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by Sarad AV 28 Jun '03

28 Jun '03

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Re: Senators from Utah being Southern
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 27 Jun '03

27 Jun '03

Tim May <timcmay(a)got.net> writes: >He was a hell of a lot more interesting than JC, that's for sure. I recommend >"The Prophecy," the wonderful movie with Christopher Walken as the angel >Gabriel. Great film, source of one of my favourite movie quotes: Have you ever noticed that in the Bible whenever God needed to punish someone, when God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Can you imagine what a creature like that must be like? Your entire existence spent praising God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to *meet* an angel?" (so much deeper than "I'll be back"). Peter.

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Re: SAVE MY LIFE PLS.
by jonathon 26 Jun '03

26 Jun '03

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, MRS. JOY GINA BELLO wrote: Asalamu alaikum, ]>Nigeria with my children. My late husband was a May the peace and blessing of Allah( Praise to his name ) be upon your husband. ]>death, his family members insisted that I am not ]>entitled to his property (Assets and money) since I am ]>a woman and my offspring's all girls as I do not have ]>a male child for my husband. Well, according to some May Allah ( Praise be to his name ) have mercy on their souls. I cry at such an outrageous violation of Marawaith. The Qur'an commands the following: 3/27 to you. 4/27 to his mother. 4/27 to his father 19/100 to each of your lovely daughters. ]>which doesn't permit a woman to inherit a man's A sad thing, when one forsakes the writings of the Prophet. ( Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him. ) ]>the furtherance of their education. According to the I weep at their flagrant violation of the commandments of Allah ( Praise to his name.) ]>providing us with your bank details and the enablement Alas Sister, banks involve Riba, which the Qur'an prohibits. I could, perhaps, be able to faciliate the transfer of your money, to a more secure location, and ensure that the Marawaith is adhered to, in the process of so doing. ]>email, your personal details including your contact ]>information for easy communication. Thanking you for My name Jonathon My fax number is +1-303-600-6312 May the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon you. -- See headers for copyright and related information. ******** Finger account for book status

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[eff-austin] Wired: DoD Logging Unverified Tips (fwd)
by Jim Choate 26 Jun '03

26 Jun '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 02:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Webb <webbcarl(a)hotmail.com> To: austinagainstwar(a)yahoogroups.com, eff-austin(a)effaustin.org, tlc-discuss(a)lists.cwrl.utexas.edu Subject: [eff-austin] Wired: DoD Logging Unverified Tips ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DoD Logging Unverified Tips http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59365,00.html By Brian McWilliams To track domestic terrorist threats against the military, the Pentagon is creating a new database that will contain "raw, non-validated" reports of "anomalous activities" within the United States. According to a Department of Defense memorandum, the system, known as Talon, will provide a mechanism to collect and rapidly share reports "by concerned citizens and military members regarding suspicious incidents." Talon was described in a May 2 memorandum to top Pentagon brass from Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. In the memo, Wolfowitz directed the heads of military departments and agencies to begin producing Talon reports immediately. A similar reporting system proposed by Attorney General John Ashcroft was shelved last year following opposition from privacy groups and others. Known as Operation TIPS, the Department of Justice system was intended to enlist civilian workers nationwide to report possible terrorist activity. The Talon antiterrorism database was first reported by Kitetoa, a French security site. An anonymous source, who said he obtained a copy of the Talon memo from a website operated by the Department of Defense, provided Wired News with access to a copy marked "official use only." Ken McLellan, a Department of Defense spokesman, said the document "certainly looked authentic," but he declined to discuss the contents of the memo or the potential intrusion into DoD's network. McLellan said the agency was investigating the matter. According to Peter S. Probst, a former Pentagon terrorism expert, the Talon program is necessary to protect DoD property and personnel. "It would be derelict not to keep track of anomalous incidents. This is just common sense," said Probst, currently a Virginia-based terrorism consultant and program director for the Institute for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence. In the memo, Wolfowitz instructs DoD personnel to report -- "in accordance with existing policy and law" -- suspicious activities, including surveillance of DoD facilities, tests of security and "elicitation" attempts that suggest intelligence gathering. The memo acknowledged that Talon reports may be "fragmented and incomplete," but that "rapid reporting" is the goal of the system, which is not designed to replace the DoD's formal intelligence reporting process. Lee Tien, staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an online rights group, said Talon raises many of the same questions as those that plagued the unsuccessful Operation TIPs. "What is the value in accelerating the speed of the rumor mill?" said Tien. "You have a wealth of really weak data that ends up percolating its way through the system. How will they ensure that there's no opportunity for people's dossiers to become tainted?" It was not clear from the memo whether Talon reports would become part of the Pentagon's controversial Terrorism Information Awareness (TIA) program, or whether the data would be shared with other government agencies, such as the Department of Homeland Security. According to the Wolfowitz memo, reports of potential threats are to be sent to the DoD's Counterintelligence Field Activity office using "automated information systems or via e-mail attachment." The CIFA will be responsible for incorporating the information into a database that will be accessed by DoD organizations, including the Defense Intelligence Agency and Joint Intelligence Task Force Combating Terrorism, according to the report. The Talon system appears to have grown out of Eagle Eyes, an antiterrorism project developed by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Launched in April 2002, Eagle Eyes is a neighborhood watch-type program that "enlists the eyes and ears of Air Force members and citizens in the war on terror," according to the OSI website. Since hijackers crashed an American Airlines jet into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, no reports have been published of terrorist attacks within the United States on military personnel or facilities. However, the DoD regularly experiences "a high volume of probes, casing, and surveillance" from potential terrorists in the United States, according to Probst.

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THESE ARE YOUR DEAD CHILDREN, PRIMEMINISTER -- Denmark/Iraq-war/debate
by Bo Elkjaer 25 Jun '03

25 Jun '03

List It's not only in USA and UK that pressure is mounting after the war. As you may know, Denmark participated in the war against Iraq. This has lead to an increasing pressure on the danish government as the evidence of WMDs - and thus the reason to go to war - evaporates. Now there's talk of public inquiries into the war. The following articles were printed in Ekstra Bladet, the second largest daily newspaper thursday, june 19, 2003. The pictures of dead children mentioned in the articles can be found at thememoryhole.org. (http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/) Yours Bo Elkjaer, Denmark THESE ARE YOUR DEAD CHILDREN, PRIME MINISTER Shaken primeminister tries to evade weapons lies and bombed children: 'The war is justified' Ekstra Bladet does what apparantly no one else dares: We confront prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen with the direct result of his, Bushs and Blairs war on Iraq: Dead children. One of the pictures show a boy that has been horribly burned by coalition bombs. Another picture is a close up of a boy who's head has been blown to pieces. Two innocent children. Killed in a war based on a lie about weapons of mass destruction. Conservative estimates say that at leas 5.500 civilians died in the war. Others speak of up to 10.000 killed civilian iraqis. After a long, heated debate in the foreign policy select comittee, where primeminister Anders Fogh Rasmussen and foreignminister Per Stig Moeller tried to justify the reasons for danish participation in the war and talked about UN-mandate and international law, Ekstra Bladet asked the primeminister: -- What is your opinion about the picture of the boy, who's head has been blown of? 'War is terrible', said primeminister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, visibly shaken by the horror of the brutally killed iraqi boy. -- How do you feel about how the reason for war is obviously very thin, yet it ended with little children like this boy having their brains blown away? 'I think, that if your paper is going to bring pictures like these, then it should bring other pictures too, the pictures of mass graves, showing how Saddam Husseins regime murdered thousands of people. You should bring those pictures too.' -- But these are YOUR dead children? 'Yes, but now its interesting to see if you're going to show the pictures of mass graves at the same time so the readers can have a fair and balanced picture of, how horrible it is.' THE WEAPONS ARE THERE In spite of the large civilian losses, in spite of how no weapons of mass destruction has been uncovered in Iraq and in spite of how inquiries have been launched both in the US and in UK, prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen still has no doubts about the war. -- What you're discussing today is that you - both you and the foreign minister - on several occasions, both in public and in the parliament has declared with great certainty, that there were weapons of mass destruction. Have you deceived the people and the parliament? 'But listen! No! Certainly not! And I'd like to say, that it hasn't been proved that they're not there. They just haven't been found yet.' 'Everything shows that of course he had those weapons. They must be some where.' -- You have no doubts about that? 'Where in the world should they be, if he hasn't declared them?', says the danish prime minister before he ends the interview and hurriedly leaves the scene. FOREIGN MINISTER ON SLIPPERY ICE 'The evidence should be able to stand in court', the danish foreign minister Per Stig Moeller said on september 6 last year. Today his demands of legally solid evidence against Iraq is completely gone. 'At no time did we say that we with certainty knew that he had those weapons. What we said was that he had the threat of having the weapons. He has used that threat to destabilize the entire region', says foreign minister Per Stig Moeller today. -- But you said that the government was sure that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? 'Not me. I haven't said that. I'm pretty sure I have said 'alleged weapons of mass destruction'...' -- But Fogh said last september he had no doubts that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? 'Well, yes. But you should talk to primeminister Anders Fogh Rasmussen about that.' -- Are you rejecting what the prime minister said? 'No! But you're interrupting me. See, now you interrupted me.' -- But today it suddently does'nt matter to you at all, whether Saddam had those weapons of mass destruction? 'Yes, you might say that. The important thing is that he used it as a threat to the international society. And that he couldn't declare that he had destroyed it. It was Saddam who needed to prove that he didn't have it. That's what UN said all along.' WHAT THEY SAID BEFORE THE WAR Eight times in the same speach the foreign minister Per Stig Moeller on march 21 said that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is what he said: 'You have to go in with military force to remove Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass desctruction.' 'He has hidden those weapons of mass destruction.' 'You have to take the consequences and remove his weapons of mass destruction.' 'All aspects of the weapons of mass destruction programs should be laid clear and the weapons destroyed. The same thing goes for the missiles.' 'Then Saddam Hussein will sit there with his weapons of massdestruction.' 'This is a fight with Saddam Hussein because of his weapons.' 'We all want to disarm him of his weapons of mass destruction.' 'I'd like to thank for two days of long debates, where we have discussed every element in connection with participation in the fight with Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction.' September 6 the danish foreign minister Per Stig Moeller said: 'The evidence should be able to stand in court.' The same month the danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said: 'I hold no doubt at all that he has weapons of mass destruction and that he wants to produce them.' THEY DECEIVED BOTH PEOPLE AND PARLIAMENT In the middle of the long and heated debate about the Iraq war, MP Keld Albrechtsen left the meeting to relieve himself. He was so shaken that he completely forgot to go to the bathroom. 'I can't get prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen and foreign minister Per Stig Moeller to understand that they have deceived both the parliament and the people', Keld Albrechtsen told the press outside the meeting room. 'They simply don't understand. But then we'll have to work for getting a thorough inquiry which has to find out whether the government has misguided or deceived the people. Something along the lines of what's starting in the US.' 'It has to be with the possibility of interrogating civil servants so we can find out whether they knowingly deceived us and what stake the intelligence services has in this', Keld Albrechtsen of the Unity Party said before hastening in to the meeting again. MP Villy Soevndahl of the Socialist Peoples Party also wants an independent inquiry while the socialdemocratic MP Jeppe Kofod talked about a declaration from the government while keeping an eye on the revelations in USA and UK. 'Lets see what happens, then we can find out what to do about it here', Kofod said. By Bo Elkjaer and Kenan Seeberg, Ekstra Bladet, Denmark. (www.ekstrabladet.dk)

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Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process
by netkita＠earthlink.net 25 Jun '03

25 Jun '03

Just out of suriosity .. do you have any of the poems or a location for them? Sorry for the delay in answering them. Deirdre On 21 Nov 2002 at 23:17, James A. Donald wrote: > > -- > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:33:39AM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: > > > To flesh this out a little more - the judge was Stephen > > > Trott, speaking on September 18 2002 at the Commonwealth > > > Club. Trott credits the torture warrant idea to Alan > > > Dershowitz, whom he describes as a good friend and a "great > > > civil libertarian". > > On 21 Nov 2002 at 22:24, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Yes. Clearly it's okay for torture warrants to exist -- as > > long as you're a member of the political class that gets to > > approve them... > > At present, if the US wants someone terminally interrogated, > they ship him to Egypt and ask the Egyptians to do the > interrogation. > > I am mildly suprised they do not ask the Afghans to do the > interrogations, since poems have been written concerning the > remarkable effectiveness of Afghan interrogations. > > --digsig > James A. Donald > 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG > Jyf5nXEcZGYbFVFMsrtVZ973GZhAHY04PCKLDC4a > 4OpiaSbnH8yY1vYQHQAPfTAfNqbAvyyBgFMDUG6Ir

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