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by Torsten Ulrich 05 May '03

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Re: China (was Mike Hawash)
by Tyler Durden 05 May '03

05 May '03

Bill Stewart wrote... >From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> >To: Justin <justin(a)soze.net> >CC: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com >Subject: Re: China (was Mike Hawash) >Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 23:04:21 -0700 > >At 02:27 AM 05/02/2003 +0000, Justin wrote: >>At 2003-05-02 00:25 +0000, Bill Stewart wrote: >> > Interesting. I've recently been reading a book by a guy who spent >> > much of the mid-90s illegally tramping around the ethnic areas of >> > western China (particularly the Tibet/Burma borders with Sichuan and >> > Yunnan) trying not to get thrown out of the country too often. >> >>Is that sort of like documented immigrants (not undocumented _citizens_ >>like Mexicans who live within earshot of the border, speak no english, >>pay no taxes, and think they're part of Aztlan > >No, it's more like the US in ~1870 or 1890 - the big neighboring territory >had pretty much been conquered, though a lot of them still spoke Spanish, >and the other big neighboring territory had been reconquered, >but a lot of larger minority ethnic groups like the Navajo hadn't been >totally wiped out, though the smaller tribes were gradually getting >killed off or having their land stolen and getting forced onto smaller >reservations and having US military forts put in the middle to govern them >(which was bad) or whatever the Bureau of Indian Affairs sent out to >"help" them and "civilize" them (which was ultimately more devastating), >and there was a deliberate attempt to wipe out the local economy >(there's no real equivalent to killing off the buffalo, >but periodically "taxing" all their livestock is sort of similar.) Well, I'd say it's more complex than that. Until recently, the view in China towards minorities was that Minorities are fine and dandy as long as they don't exhibit traits that are too obviously non-Han while presenting a threat to Han-dominated areas. Now, it's more like "Hum...how can we turn a profit with these folks? Tourism? Manufacturing?" Overall, the Chinese have never seemed to have the bloodlust that western countires had...they'd always prefer to absorb another culture rather than kill it outright. And yes, while in China I tried to travel to Tibet with a Japanese buddhist monk, but Tibet was suddenly "closed" due to the 80s riots in Lhasa (and look on a map...that's a LARGE area to simply declare "closed", but it was fairly enforceable due to the few viable routes into Tibet). IN addition, in 1988 there were many cities closed to foriegners. But that's mostly all gone now, as joint foerign-market-oriented factories proliferate in more and more parts of China. Right now, you'd have to say that China was fairly "free" from an economic standpoint, and not free politically, with all other areas somewhere in between. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Zundel's Mouth Declared Weapon of Mass Destruction
by Eric Cordian 05 May '03

05 May '03

The tale of Holocaust commentator Ernst Zundel has taken another strange turn. As you may know, Zundel is seeking political asylum in Canada, after being run out of the US at gunpoint over an expired visitor's visa, at the behest of Israeli sympathizers in the US state department. Now his asylum hearing has been quashed by the Canadian government serving his with a document declaring him a "national security risk." The certificate suspends his application for asylum, and permits him to be deported after a secret hearing at the Federal Court. The apparent goal of all of this is to deport Zundel to Germany, where he may be charged under that nation's anti-free speech laws with saying things that offend Jews. Immigration Minister Denis Coderre said that Zundel was an individual whose presence promotes violence. It would seem to me that if Jews commit violence because they do not like Mr. Zundel's comments, then the solution would be to arrest the Jewish lawbreakers, as opposed to declaring Mr. Zundel a national security threat. No doubt I'll get death threats for articulating that opinion. http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030503/UZUNDN/ Speaking of death threats, that's exactly what the Santa Rosa Junior College's student newspaper, the "Oak Leaf" got after publishing a little essay by Mark McGuire titled "Is anti-Semitism ever the result of Jewish behavior?" http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/02srjc_a1.html The newspaper had to close its offices, and board up its mail slot, amid violent graphic death threats against the 19 year old student newspaper editor, who has now been offered a police escort on campus. Making death threats is supposed to be against the law, but again, different rules apparently apply if you're a protected class. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Randomness
by Ben Laurie 05 May '03

05 May '03

People might be interested in a paper I've written on randomness: http://www.apache-ssl.org/randomness.pdf. Comments, as always, are more than welcome. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff

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Re: Hippies Banning Crysotile
by Tyler Durden 05 May '03

05 May '03

James Donald wrote... >Not this cypherpunk -- the evils of asbestos are ninety percent >hot air. That's about the right percentage. >In reality, if someone is >exposed to enough asbestos to be a problem, he is painfully >aware of it. Only a minuscule minority among those now >receiving stupendous awards were exposed to that level of >asbestos. Not really. This party line is equally hot air. Basically, there are two main modes of asbestos related disease: asbestosis and melothemeoma (I probably spelled that last one wrong.) The Manville miners inhaled huge quantities of Asbestos and almost all of them died of asbestosis. This can occur when exposed to any type of asbestos in large quantities. Another form of asbestos-related death is a whole different story. Melothemeoma is due to when the non-serpentine types of asbestos pierce the lung wall and push stray genetic refuse into cell nuclei, starting a really bad lung cancer. The form of asbestos most closely associated with this is crocidilyte, which is needle-like and a beautiful dark blue in color. That form of asbestos can cause cancer even in very low exposures. Forunately, its exceedingly rare. Back in the late 80s I only saw perhaps half a dozen samples of it in the course of viewing many thousands of asbestos. As for floor tiles using asbestos, I would never bother removing them...the asbestos in them probably mitigates far more fire-related danger than it causes exposure-related risk. As for hanging clumps of Asbestos down in your boiler room, close the door and don't let the kids play down there. Don't abate, as you'll probably create more exposure than if you left it alone. Summary: your odds of dying due to low levels of asbestos exposure are exceedingly low, but decidedly nonzero. -TD > --digsig > James A. Donald > 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG > 8gm9gCyQYFsIMdu+WBfQDsch65rBj3PGxaGDX58F > 4/6al9vqF/sHVMF7iikxBjrsqugs4W7kRkOUPPUFA _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: Crypto-making vs Crypto-breaking
by Patrick 05 May '03

05 May '03

(I didn't see this come back through the list, so I'm sending it again.) > > Perhaps you'd care to publish your p, g, and g^k here on the list, so we > can begin hacking them while you finish your pre-launch checkout. :) > -- > Eric Michael Cordian 0+ Lucrative mints support an arbitrary number of simultaneous series, so the crypto components will vary, but here's a set to work on. p is straight from Ben Laurie's Lucre paper (8.1). (8.2) gives us a good g as well: 4. g=4 p=ffffffffffffffffc90fdaa22168c234c4c6628b80dc1cd129024e088a67cc74020bbe a63b139b22514a08798e3404ddef9519b3cd3a431b302b0a6df25f14374fe1356d6d51c2 45e485b576625e7ec6f44c42e9a637ed6b0bff5cb6f406b7edee386bfb5a899fa5ae9f24 117c4b1fe649286651ece45b3dc2007cb8a163bf0598da48361c55d39a69163fa8fd24cf 5f83655d23dca3ad961c62f356208552bb9ed529077096966d670c354e4abc9804f1746c 08ca237327ffffffffffffffff public=1fd29bb747e2db8f3389d7be7abc1a6abb6d7f698f7eb85b49fb83d41be883cd5 de6d6afb802913c5df7621688b91ee647971742fbf8f5ec82873ea72dedfe755e95fe6eb 30d4143645ac43d8660a5d54d837aabaa56be93598a452b6bf951a1be342c4b3dd53a0a5 64bdabb6802f408472a9bdfefea909bc224af381d52bb3b4e21401888b2b053b82d422d1 ac0a6f2ae35d33da9b1b69951eeef73d09da617ad01cb18017374423de47ee3de33730ac be0a86f55c2764f9a01e377175b785d Knock yourself out! If you can identify a weakness, I would be very grateful. Patrick http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/

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[eff-austin] Biometrics ID bill hearing on Thursday (fwd)
by Jim Choate 05 May '03

05 May '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 15:59:10 -0500 From: Adina Levin <alevin(a)alevin.com> To: Leaders <leaders(a)effaustin.org>, eff-austin(a)effaustin.org, shenson(a)austin.rr.com Subject: [eff-austin] Biometrics ID bill hearing on Thursday SB945 sponsored by Ogden is being heard in the Defense Affairs and State-Federal Relations <http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/db2www/tlo/committees/legislation.d2…> Committee on Thurday. The bill enables the use of facial, thumb, fingerprints, and other biometric identifiers for *a broad range of state purposes to authenticate identity.* Several people on this list have professional experience with the reliability issues with biometric ID. ** The legislators don't understand the technology. If you have relevant information, please let legislators know. ** If you'd like to testify or communicate your expertise to the committee members, please contact Scott Henson at ACLU-TX, shenson(a)austin.rr.com, who will let you know who's most effective to talk to. Or fax a letter to committee members.

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[SSZ Error]
by J.A. Terranson 05 May '03

05 May '03

Hey Jim, this has been going on for weeks now - you need to fix your PTRs... May 3 19:12:12 mx2 sm-mta[97105]: h440CBD6097105: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com does not resolve May 3 19:13:57 mx2 sm-mta[97104]: h440BtD6097104: from=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, size=3267, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4] May 3 19:13:57 mx2 sm-mta[97104]: h440BtD7097104: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com does not resolve May 3 19:13:58 mx2 sm-mta[97104]: h440BtD7097104: from=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, size=7093, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4] May 3 19:14:13 mx2 sm-mta[97105]: h440CBD6097105: from=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, size=2502, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4] May 3 19:18:46 mx2 sm-mta[97134]: h440IjD6097134: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com does not resolve May 3 19:18:49 mx2 sm-mta[97135]: h440InD6097135: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com does not resolve May 3 19:18:49 mx2 sm-mta[97135]: h440InD6097135: from=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, size=11356, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4] May 3 19:18:57 mx2 sm-mta[97136]: h440IuD6097136: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com does not resolve May 3 19:19:14 mx2 sm-mta[97145]: h440JED6097145: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com>, relay=root(a)[207.200.56.4], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address owner-cypherpunks-outgoing(a)einstein.ssz.com does not resolve su-2.05b# nslookup einstein.ssz.co -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org

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Cypherpunks List Info
by cpunk＠lne.com 05 May '03

05 May '03

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Re: China (was Mike Hawash)
by Tyler Durden 04 May '03

04 May '03

Sunder wrote... "Not that I've been there, but the last I heard, China was still an almosttotalitarian communist state and free travel in China is not possible." Your information is almost staggeringly out of date. Even in the late 1980s when I lived in China it was easy to move about freely (well, easy isn't quite the right word when you couldn't book any rail tickets remotely or in advance!). Now of course, things are even more "free". As for "totalitarian communist state", there's not much communist left about it, except for the name of the ruling party. Right now, most of mainland China is about as capitalist as you can get, with the Army one of the biggest capitalist enterprises around (in the early 90s the central government informed the army they were going to have to find a way to raise money to pay a lot of their own bills!). As for the totalitarianism part,as long as you don't complain too loudly about the government, you're fine for the most part (particularly if you have lots of $$$). (Although every now and then Jong Nan Hai will decide to crack down on something and you may come under fire.) If you want to call it "totalitarian", fine. But like all western terms applied to China, its relevance only has a very limited meaning. -TD >From: Sunder <sunder(a)sunder.net> >To: Neil Johnson <njohnsn(a)njohnsn.com> >CC: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: Mike Hawash >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:58:01 -0400 (edt) > >Not that I've been there, but the last I heard, China was still an almost >totalitarian communist state and free travel in China is not possible. In >all likelyhood the hotel he stayed at is one where all westerners >stay. It's also possible that airline schedules being what they are >provided reasons for the same day arrival departure coincidences. > >As for the hotel not having a record of him, it could be they misplaced >it, or more likely misspelled his name, etc, or he didn't want to be >tracked so he used Mike Smith... > >Many things are possible, not all have to be true. > >----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- > + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ > \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ ><--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ > /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ > + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. >--------_sunder_(a)_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ > >On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Neil Johnson wrote: > > > Hawash flew to China and returned to the US on exactly the same dates as >the > > other guys. > > > > Hawash appears to have stayed in the same building as the other guys. > > His and the other guy's lodging was in the same building, but different > > hotels, and the hotel that Hawash had reservations to stay at doesn't >have a > > record of him being there. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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