February 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CHAUM CHIMES IN
by cme＠ellisun.sw.stratus.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: 08 Sep 93 16:30:55 EDT >From: Sandy <72114.1712(a)CompuServe.COM> >Subject: CHAUM CHIMES IN >Message-Id: <930908203054_72114.1712_FHF95-2(a)CompuServe.COM> ..From: > SANDY SANDFORT Reply to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com [ . . . ] >Of course, the next letter to the editor calls for the adoption >of systems to track every vehicle at all times. The genius who >wrote the letter, thinks it would be a good way to prevent >nuclear, biological or chemical terrorism. Geeeeez. It was signed by Dorothy Denning, right? Actually, they should take that to its full conclusion. We need implants in every individual, broadcasting to the local surveillance agency, giving not only location but also every word spoken in the vicinity. It could also do a chemical analysis of the air in the neighborhood. It should also have a radiation counter. It should also monitor the host body, looking for signs of anger or sexual arousal? How else will we be guaranteed safe from mad bombers, rapists and child molesters? How else will our big budget LE agencies be able to protect us? I know. When it's finally adopted, worldwide, they'll call it the Ellison Plan. :-( - Carl

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Stegno and DAT and digital music...
by Peter Wayner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In this week's Sunday NYT, Hans Fantel, their music guy, writes at length about the new "dithered" CD's and how the guys have improved the sound. He says that the original CD format was limited to 16 bits of sound because of costs. But many audiophiles reacted very negatively to the tinny, metalic quality to the music. For this reason, the companies have developed 20 bit DAT recording tape and then come up with ways to "dither" this into 16 bits. I am curious if anyone knows the details of these algorithms. Also, his point suggests that flipping the least significant bit of 16 bit music may not be imperceptable to some ears. If the classical music starts to sound tinny then there might be something subversive in the least significant bits. -Peter Wayner

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Remail: errors
by HFinney＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have been out of town for the last week, so I missed some CP mail. It looks like some good things are happening with remailers, though. Kudos to Karl, Sameer, and the others for their work! I have received many messages to my remailer in the last week which came from remail(a)tamsun.tamu.edu, which were PGP-encrypted apparently in an effort to get my remailer to send them. They did not work, though, because there was no "Encrypted: PGP" header to trigger the remailer's decryption. This can be arranged by creating the message something like this: ======================================================== :: Request-Remailing-To: hfinney(a)shell.portal.com :: Encrypted: PGP - -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- <rest of message> - -----END PGP MESSAGE------ ======================================================== This would then be sent to remail(a)tamsun.tamu.edu. I don't know whether the multiplicity of such erroneous messages is just due to one person stubbornly re-trying, or whether there is an error in one of the new programs for creating chained remailer messages. Hal Finney hfinney(a)shell.portal.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBLJaNuKgTA69YIUw3AQHrNwQAowMEQwuH6YyHoj6T7AqZFLNdTf+eqJ9L LhAatHS94nmC1smkfVNq0dZmigmkvBdMNEPlBZemmxALz+KJw6OSY/ULSBmuVNEq 5rJANh3XimoJWqLISy2lZiuC5Fw2R7UvRadcdM94pncSVvev92Fyf7CqEOOtrGAK PUzRds7BVNo= =FpLa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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more than spread spectrum
by cme＠ellisun.sw.stratus.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are alternatives to spread spectrum, if we're threatened with loss of freedom to communicate. We could lay our own wires/fibers. We could set up a mesh network of infrared lasers through the air. Last time I looked, there were no laws against shining lights out your window as long as they didn't bother anyone. An infrared laser could hardly bother anyone. We could produce a line of cheap cards to plug into a PC which would do packet routing, using a variety of physical links -- our own wires, lasers, very low range radio, .... Each card would connect to three or more neighbors and become part of the global mesh. Adaptive routing with no global map would suffice for the card and would keep the whole system peer-to-peer with no need for central control and no chance for central tapping. Of course all of these solutions require a high density of users. A college campus might be the right place to start. We could then branch out to cities. I suspect that a place like Chicago or NYC with high rise apartments might be the place to start -- many options for line-of-sight communications. The benefit isn't just for Cypherpunks. It's a free network for the masses -- like the original USENET (with each user donating routing and store/forward) but with unrestricted, low-range, continuously operating physical links. I'll volunteer to do the software for the node card. Does anyone have hardware design/fab to donate to the effort? - Carl

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cryptome log downloads
by Nomen Nescio 26 Feb '03

26 Feb '03

These IPs downloaded access log from cryptome during hacked state. pcp259331pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net 212.54.205.184 host.159-142-70-179.gsa.gov c-889471d5.021-3-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 217.167.197.20 193.128.179.38 217.167.197.20 host.21.88.68.195.rev.coltfrance.com 216.155.104.95 204.249.177.229 c-889471d5.021-3-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 206.180.129.0.dial-ip.hal-pc.org mchesnik.resnet.bucknell.edu logos.relcom.ru pcp03280952pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net pool-138-88-125-69.res.east.verizon.net adsl441.estpak.ee 194.90.22.83 h219-110-056-001.catv01.itscom.jp host33-206.pool80181.interbusiness.it 213-140-14-139.fastres.net pcp03280952pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net server2.gescenter.com c-889471d5.021-3-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se user142.intonet.co.uk p50902fb5.dip.t-dialin.net 217.19.80.197 adsl441.estpak.ee bragi.fh-brandenburg.de esprx02x.nokia.com 62.92.119.47 washdc3-ar2-4-64-017-068.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net bragi.fh-brandenburg.de mail.emainc.com cf2.andrews.af.mil cachix1.tele.net stop.justice.gc.ca 218.1.37.179 212.137.60.106 m206-5.dsl.tsoft.com 195.243.47.34 host91-189.pool80181.interbusiness.it 130.94.106.228 folsom.officedepot.com 63.171.232.247 gateway1.scottish-southern.co.uk 19.203.252.64.snet.net 156.54.249.179 esprx02x.nokia.com 156.54.249.179 ip68-108-169-227.lv.lv.cox.net ip-192.landsend.com 212.54.205.184 dssback.smsu.edu adsl441.estpak.ee nycmny1-ar5-4-41-204-222.nycmny1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ip68-12-36-71.ok.ok.cox.net spock.ti.telenor.net h00e018b87996.ne.client2.attbi.com 146.7.100.197 194.102.45.134 ppp011.datacom.bg paginiaurii.rdsnet.ro 12.146.66.131 segfault.net host18-121.pool8021.interbusiness.it 212.54.205.184 server.olgastift.s.bw.schule.de adsl441.estpak.ee anancy-104-1-2-19.abo.wanadoo.fr 12-238-233-6.client.attbi.com ppp011.datacom.bg adsl-154-201-4.clt.bellsouth.net 193.1.100.103 section.eu.org adsl-65-69-105-82.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net 65.123.207.130 www-cache.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de interlock.doeal.gov 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Ethnomathematics ... or niggers in space ?
by Anonymous 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/23/magazine/23CRASH.html?ex=1047027608&ei=1&… Ethnomathematics February 23, 2003 By DIRK OLIN Mathematics is one academic subject that would seem to reside in a world of universality, protected from competing opinions by the objectivity of its laws. But the real universal law is that everything is relative, even in math. The release last month of a new math curriculum for New York City schools by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has elicited something just short of vituperation. Back-to-basics advocates denounce as ''fuzzy math'' its inclusion of so-called constructivist teaching techniques. Critics complain that those approaches encourage self-discovery and collaborative problem-solving at the expense of proved practices like memorization, repetition and mastery of algorithm. It's all the latest in a century of American math wars. The previous generation can remember the struggle over ''new math'' during the 1950's and 60's. (''Hooray for new math,/New-hoo-hoo math!'' Tom Lehrer sang. ''It won't do you a bit of good to review math./It's so simple,/So very simple./That only a child can do it!'') Battles flared even earlier in the century over ''progressive'' agendas for math education of the type pushed by John Dewey. How tame those struggles seem, however, when compared to the rising vanguard of self-described ethnomathematicians. For some, the new discipline just means studying the anthropology of various measurement methods; they merely want to supplement the accepted canon -- from Pythagoras to Euclid to Newton -- with mind-expanding explorations of mathematical ideas from other cultures. For others, however, ethnomathematics is an effort to supplant the tyranny of Western mathematical standards. The Postulates Ethnomathematics has a few parents, but most observers trace its formal birth to a speech given by the Brazilian mathematician Ubiratan D'Ambrosio in the mid-1980's. Now an emeritus professor of math at the State University of Campinas outside S-o Paulo, he explained his thinking a couple of years ago to The Chronicle of Higher Education: ''Mathematics is absolutely integrated with Western civilization, which conquered and dominated the entire world. The only possibility of building up a planetary civilization depends on restoring the dignity of the losers.'' Robert N. Proctor, who teaches the history of science at Pennsylvania State University, says he wants to counter the notion ''that the West is the be all and end all'' when it comes to mathematical studies. ''After all,'' he adds, ''all math is ethnomath -- not just African kinship numerics or Peruvian bead counting, but also the C.I.A.'s number-crunching cryptology and Reaganomics.'' To redress their pedagogical grievances, these ethnomathematicians want math curriculums that place greater emphasis on the systems of previous civilizations and certain traditional cultures. Studies of state civilizations might focus on Chinese or Arabic math concepts. One study, for example, has shown how the Chinese Chu Shih-chieh triangle anticipated by more than three centuries the highly similar arrangement of numerals by Pascal that holds sway in many Western teachings of probability theory. In her seminal books ''Ethnomathematics'' and ''Mathematics Elsewhere,'' Marcia Ascher, emerita professor of mathematics at Ithaca College, chronicles the astonishingly complex data-storage systems embedded in quipu, bundles of cotton cord knotted by Incans according to a sophisticated base-10 numeration system. At a more quotidian level, Ron Eglash of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute has written and taught extensively about the nuances of fractals, or repeating patterns, that can be found in certain African craft work. (Eglash stresses a distinction between simple-minded multicultural math -- ''which merely replaces Dick and Jane counting marbles with Tatuk and Esteban counting coconuts'' -- and what he calls the ''deep design themes'' that represent mature, developed mathematical systems too often ignored in the study of many societies.) What Its Critics Fear Some of this is just fine, says David Klein, a professor of mathematics with California State University at Northridge. Klein (a self-described liberal who insists on separating his academic critique from any connection to a conservative political agenda) says the danger lies in allowing such precepts to crowd out fundaments on which modernity is based. He argues that the statistically lower achievements of some female and minority math students have resulted in an overreaction that doesn't serve their interests. ''The practical effect,'' Klein says, ''has been watered-down math books that overemphasize inductive reasoning (like continuing visual patterns), because this is supposed to be good for women and minorities, and de-emphasizing deductive reasoning and mathematical proofs, which is the heart of mathematics, because that supposedly favors white males. ''But mathematics is a worldwide monoculture. Look at the chalkboards in math departments at universities all around the world -- in Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin America. You will see the same symbols everywhere you go on this planet, except perhaps in colleges of education where fads reign supreme.'' Klein says he does spend some class time discussing the math of Mayans, Egyptians and other early civilizations. ''But ancient techniques and early discoveries in math will not take students very far who want to do something in the modern world with mathematics,'' he says. Will It Pass? Some proponents argue that whatever the freestanding authenticity of the cross-discipline, it is useful as a carrot to attract indifferent students. Philip Straffin, who has been teaching the popular ''Cultural Approaches to Mathematics'' at Beloit College for about 10 years, says that the lectures lure a mix of teachers in training and art students: ''Every time we give this course, there are twice as many students who want to take it as we have room for.'' As long as such developments complement and enhance rather than take time from and substitute for other mathematics learning, Judith Grabiner, who teaches at Pitzer College, says they are a plus. ''I don't want people teaching students that Mohammed ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi gave a systematic treatment of quadratic equations in the 10th century instead of learning how to solve quadratic equations,'' she says. ''But that's a false choice. Putting the math in its cultural context helps teach the mathematics and makes it more meaningful to students, since it has a human context.'' Indeed, those who think this threatens to spawn a brave new world of mathematical correctness might search their memories to recall if they didn't have a fourth- or fifth-grade teacher who brought an abacus to class. Calculating Cultural Impact >From 'Ethnomathematics: A Multicultural View of Mathematical Ideas,' by Marcia Ascher For mathematics, however, there has been a long philosophical debate on the reality of the objects it studies. Is a square something that has external reality or is it something only in our minds? . . . The relationship between the length of the hypotenuse and lengths of the sides of a right triangle is an eternal truth, but that does not mean that any other culture need share the categories triangle, right triangle, hypotenuse. . . . A critical issue is that, as it stands, much of mathematics education depends upon assumptions of Western culture and carries with it Western values. Those with other traditions are, as a result, often turned away by the subject or unsuccessful in learning it. And, for them, the process of learning mathematics, particularly when unsuccessful -- but even when successful -- can be personally debilitating as it detracts from and conflicts with their own cultural traditions. . . . [In] the United States, the concern has been stimulated by the realization that our educational approaches have yet to come to grips with the fact that we ourselves are a multicultural society.'' Dirk Olin is national editor at The American Lawyer.

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The next time you see someone on TV in a "newsroom"
by Declan McCullagh 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

Remember this... http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-32/new-york-times-dc-bureau.html :) -Declan

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RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minoritie s"
by John Kelsey 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

At 10:31 AM 2/24/03 +0000, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: ... >Now, I may have left my clue home, so feel free to explain *why* >100% capitalism (eg no state left, no other power) could never end up >with power aggregation. I don't think you can *ever* prove a claim like that, since you're dealing with humans, who can be only very imperfectly modeled. There's no system that couldn't possibly fall into some horrible state, whether that's tyranny or chaos or lemming-like rush to an unwinnable war or ostrich-like refusal to prepare for clearly oncoming war. Systems of human decision makers are driven by the decisions made by those humans, and sometimes, they're a bunch of idiots. More centralized decision-making has the ugly property that a smaller set of decision-makers have to be idiots to run the whole society into a ditch. On the other hand, more centralized decision-making makes larger projects possible sometimes, especially ones involving big, long wars. >-- >Vincent Penquerc'h --John Kelsey, kelsey.j(a)ix.netcom.com

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Re: Hard assets in case we hit have a major economic depression?
by R. A. Hettinga 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

...Answering my own context question. Cypherpunk, google thyself... Cheers, RAH http://groups.google.com/groups?q=http://images.ogrish.com/2003/2212003/dec… Groups Advanced Groups Search Preferences Groups Help "com" is a very common word and was not included in your search. [ details ] Groups search result 1 for http://images.ogrish.com/2003/2212003/decap3.jpg Patriot Act Compliance * FastWatch provides compliance for Sec. 326 of the Patriot Act * Penley Sponsored Links Attn: Corporate Counsel * USA Patriot Act analysis available online from major US law firms * www.lawperiscope.com Search Result 1 From: Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net ) Subject: Re: Hard assets in case we hit have a major economic depression? View: Complete Thread (60 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living ,misc.survivalism Date: 2003-02-22 19:09:31 PST In article <dndg5v4l5ot6h6ih87vup1po5oves8btma(a)4ax.com>, Vance Rogers <Vance_Rogers(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Yes we are. But of course, no one wants to be the messenger. > > How many a major corporations have to file Chapter 13? How > big does the Deficit have to get? The National Debt beyond > its statuatory limit (it his that limit in February), the unemployment > rate in certain parts of the country, in certain industries is MUCH > higher than being reported, because when someone's enemployment > runs out, they are no longer counted as part of the unemployment > statistics, and after a year of not working, are considered "drop > outs" from the market. > > The problems are larger than they were in the 30's, it just hasn't > been reported honestly to the American people. But reporting on this is considered "economic treason" under the Homeland Security Act, PATRIOT Act, Protection of the Reich Act, etc. Also, it's in our best interest to let this train wreck keep developing. When the collapse comes, the burnoff of 40 million useless eaters will be glorious to behold! Fuck the inner city welfare mutant thieves. Put their heads on pikes, just as in: http://images.ogrish.com/2003/2212003/decap3.jpg Fuck them dead. And gas their litters of little brown welfare eaters. --Tim May Post a follow-up to this message Google Home -Advertise with Us -Search Solutions -Services & Tools -Jobs, Press, & Help )2003 Google -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Why Spammers Should Be SLOWLY Tortured to Death
by Eric Cordian 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

It seems some spammer has decided to use my email address as his return address, and I am now getting his bounce messages.

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