December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Disinformation in L.A. Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Does anyone here know chemistry, besides Jim Bell, who's busy? Someone > should update the Anarchist's Cookbook. Potassium nitrate is a natural byproduct of the decay of organic material. It is highly soluable in warm water, but at low temperatures (<10C) will quickly precipitate out and be displaced in solution by other salts, such as sodium chloride. Extract by evaporation of water from chilled solution. Mix seven parts potassium nitrate with three parts carbon (coal). Compact and ignite to produce explosion. This has been known for centuries. The Chinese used this mainly for pyrotechnic displays and entertainment, however the Europeans have found more political applications of the technology.

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17 Dec '03

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Cryptography Forum
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forward from Cyberia-L: Cryptography Forum May 22, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. Association of the Bar of the City of New York 22 West 44th Street, New York City Interested persons are invited to attend. No fee or reservation is required. TITLE OF PROGRAM: Guns, Ammunition and Cryptography: Is the Government's Policy on Digital Encryption Creating a Crisis? A moderated panel will discuss issues raised by the Government's policy on cryptography. MODERATOR: Charles R. Nesson, Professor, Harvard Law School PANELISTS: Jim Bidzos President and CEO, RSA Data Security, Inc. Scott Charney Computer Crime Unit, Department of Justice Kenneth W. Dam Professor, University of Chicago Law School; Chair, National Research Council Committee to Study National Cryptography Policy Dorothy E. Denning Professor, Computer Science Department, Georgetown University David J. Farber Professor, Computer and Information Science and Electrical Engineering Departments, University of Pennsylvania Marc Rotenberg Director, Electronic Privacy Information Center Sponsored by the Committees on Computer Law, Civil Rights, Science and the Law, and Symposia, of the Association of the Bar of the City of New York For additional information, e-mail jzammit(a)fulbright.com or dcohen(a)bway.net

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Does anyone here know chemistry, besides Jim Bell, who's busy? Someone > should update the Anarchist's Cookbook. Potassium nitrate is a natural byproduct of the decay of organic material. It is highly soluable in warm water, but at low temperatures (<10C) will quickly precipitate out and be displaced in solution by other salts, such as sodium chloride. Extract by evaporation of water from chilled solution. Mix seven parts potassium nitrate with three parts carbon (coal). Compact and ignite to produce explosion. This has been known for centuries. The Chinese used this mainly for pyrotechnic displays and entertainment, however the Europeans have found more political applications of the technology.

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RE: RSA, PGP IN LEGAL FLAP OVER ENCRYPTION TECHNOLOGY
by Chris DiBona 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This really came as no surprise to anyone who deals with RSA. Note I am only talking for myself when I write this, but there is a LOT of money to be made by someone (certicom?) if they can give a cross-platform rsa type solution. I mean RSA has a fairly good product,but I can name at elase two other companies who've had this exact same problem with cross-licensing. Really, does RSA expect Netscape or Microsoft to re-license every time they allow an oem to repackage thier products into or as part of a suite of programs with a third party vendor? RSA has a bunch of bullies at thier helm. They should realize that pulling this kind of crap will only make people jump ship faster when another company comes calling with a similar product and less restrictive licensing. I think that RSA should also realize that without PGP, their market would be much smaller, I think every time RSA licenses thier (now renewed) patents, they should think of Phil. I don't mean to saint the guy here or anything, but they owe him a debt that is difficult to quantify. By suing PGP they are basically saying , if I can extrapolate in a rather extreme manner, "privacy is okay, but only if we make money at it." And keep in mind , I don't begrudge RSA thier right to make money off thier intellectual property, but suing your customers except in the most extreme situations should be seen as a warning sign to the industry that to deal with RSA as a vendor is to take a risk that may be dangerous. Chris DiBona dibona(a)acm.org

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Re: Applauding Violence (was: Re: Wine Politics Again! (fwd))
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 May 1997, Tim May wrote: > >>Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right > >>thing. Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all > >>that. > I'm getting progressively more turned off by > Tim's developing survivalist/confrontationist stance. I fear that > journalists and other casual readers will mistake his positions > for common 'cypherpunk' viewpoints. If they don't know shit from shinola, then let them base their beliefs on any mistaken notion they wish. Every cypherpunk who wants to edit their posts out of fear that some dweeb will mistake them for the God of Cypherpunks raise your hand. (Looks like you're the only one, Peter.) > The type of armed, ingrained bitterness towards all aspects and > manifestations of government he displays is hazardous to himself > personally; I can envisage a simple traffic stop turning violent. It certainly did for Rodney King. > Worse, he's demonizing his opponent. This is counter-productive. > It's better to try to understand the actual underlying goals of > your opponent - it gives you a much better chance at turning > him into your ally, or avoiding a conflict if you cannot do that. > If he can be neither turned nor avoided, the minimum action to > change the status quo should be used. Precisely. The level of minimum action needed to change the status quo is increasing by leaps and bounds. If the average citizen was not complacently allowing the government to run ramshod over the rights and freedoms of the citizens, then the individuals who choose to battle this oppression would not have to take such drastic action in retaliation. > The policies of the current gang in power are bad, and may well > get worse. But terrorism is not yet an appropriate response, and > I pray that it never will be. Everyone has their own threshold of pain which they can endure before they feel compelled to take steps to counteract the actions of the source of that pain. For some that threshold is a slap, for some a punch, and for some it is a beating. Those who cause pain to others will suffer the consequences of their actions. This applies to the people who are lowest on the totem pole in the oppression of the citizens just as much as it applies to Timothy McVeigh. I didn't notice any great cries of outrage when the U.S. attack on Saddam Hussein resulted in the death of innocents. It seems that some lives are deemed more expendable than the lives of others. When U.S. forces slaughtered retreating Iraqui troops a great cheer of victory sounded throughout the nation. Had the opposite scenario been the case, the nation would have been calling for the heads of the Iraquis for their callousness. If those who participate in the unjust persecution of a plethora of the nation's citizens become so comfortable with their ability to remain insulated from the consequences of their actions that they feel free to place their children at the scene of the crime, then they face the same responsibility as someone who takes their child along on an armed robbery. The terrorism was not instituted by the citizens against their government, but the other way around. TruthMonger #2

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Re: Mondex
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 From: Graham-John Bullers <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> To: lucifer Anonymous Remailer <lucifer(a)dhp.com> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Mondex I think Vulis needs each of us to send ten copies of this back to him. On Sun, 11 May 1997, lucifer Anonymous Remailer wrote: > Tim C[unt] May is a pimply Graham-John Bullers sitting at a > computer chortling at his own imagined cleverness. > > ||||||||||| > \~0/ \0~/ > < (0) > > --oOO--/|||\--OOo- Tim C[unt] May > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Graham-John Bullers Modulator of alt.2600.modulated ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email : real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca : ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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The Inducement of Rapid Oxidation of Certain Materials in or Near Government Buildings
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Inducement of Rapid Oxidation of Certain Materials in or Near Government Buildings At 04:07 AM 5/11/97 +0200, M. Froomkin wrote: >[... ugly stuff about "soft targets"] > >It ill behooves participants in a democracy to either advocate or even >tolerate or even cluck sympathetically at mass murder for political ends. >This way lies Bosnia. Tim is neither a democrat nor a participant in a democracy. Note that all the parties involved in the current Balkans war are governments (or claim to be). Most of the violence in interactions between people and governments is on the government side. The U.S. government and others have been committing mass murder for years. Supporters of those governments thus support mass murder for "political ends." Governments have murdered 170 million people since 1900. My back-of-the-envelope estimate is that the civilians of the world have only murdered about 20 million people in the same period of time. Quite a disparity. The U.S. government and its subsidiaries (for example) annually kill hundreds of people in carrying out the "war" on the unlicensed retailing of pharmaceuticals. The U.S. was convicted of war crimes in the International Court of Justice in the Hague in the late 80's for dropping air-sown mines in one of Nicaragua's harbors. The U.S. practices the mass bombing of civilian populations in wartime which causes a very great loss of innocent life. Many of the other governments of the world are worse. The principle of estoppel would seem to logically preclude the world's governments from arguing that their mass murders are OK but those committed by amateurs (which kill many fewer people) aren't. Again, and in general, some of the readers of this and other recent threads on cypherpunks need some reading lessons (present company excepted). Tim May has not advocated blowing things up (though such advocacy remains legal). He has not advocated that cypherpunks blow things up. He has not advocated that Timothy McVeigh blow things up. He has not even said that blowing things up is a hip and happening way to raise the average IQ and moral level of the surviving population. He has merely said that if OTHER PEOPLE blow certain things up he understands their actions and that in the case of certain targets he would not shed a tear. He also predicted that people will be blowing things up in the future (with which prediction, even the U.S. government agrees). In any case, cypherpunks' orientation is towards the mathematics of cryptography rather than towards chemical engineering. DCF "If the Red Queen blows things up it's a virtue. If you blow thgings up it's a vice." -- The Mad Hatter. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBM3eIZoVO4r4sgSPhAQEi7gP+K0cDa/6qXtB8FPfmn9Evk2LRxV9qNiQ+ AIjCagp/MeV2WnHKkEcTrX+geZxDOAhDn8XdHopf6sozI2CZlZYxsEqPFOBb0gjx wnpN/j6zjWxFkTdBO+UGrNPK4+G9+hkm1BPjaJSbsgHT2UrLSsK0YUzu1dW4EQtH gPKh8/2baSM= =2y+Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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cyberpass.net got a problem?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hardly any traffic at all today. Is cyberpass.net ok? I sent a `who cypherpunks' to majordomo(a)cyberpass.net and got a response back instantly from sirius.infonex.com, so it's _there_. Most of the small amount of traffic that there is, seems to be from algebra.com and toad.com. I've just subscribed to algebra.com, in case I'm missing out on articles (my procmail will kill duplicates if any). How are people on algebra.com finding the traffic? (2 articles dated 12th in total as of 21:40 GMT (+0)). Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Digital signatures
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May's family tree goes straight up. All of his ancestors were siblings, to dumb to recognize each other in the dark. _ o |<)_/# Timmy May TT <T

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