December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CFV: moderate sci.cryonics -- CENSORING antispammers
by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jay Denebeim (denebeim(a)deepthot.cary.nc.us) wrote * Igor Chudov @ home <ichudov(a)algebra.com> wrote: * * > Charles, sci.cryonics may well be in need of moderation. The * > proponent may also be a great person. I also have deep respect for * > you personally. But the provision in the charter that does not * > allow postings without a replyable sender address is rather * > unfortunate. I would certainly vote yes if that particular provision * > was removed. Otherwise, I find it unacceptable for myself to vote * > YES. * * Why is that Igor? There's been very little, if any, spam generated to * rastb5m users, and that provision has been in place since before * anti-spam forgeries were in vogue. If spammers arn't mining a TV * group, they certainly wouldn't be mining a sci group. I see your point, Jay. What you are suggesting, probably not without reason, is that the spam volume is not expected to be huge. I may agree to that. The problem with this argument is that 1) No matter how much spam they get, posters have a legitimate reason to protect themselves 2) Typically, altering the reply address is done before the newsreader is even started, changing it for only one censorous newsgroup is a royal pain in the back 3) People should have freedom to post anonymously, especially on such sensitive topic as cryonics 4) Anonymity is NOT a threat to moderated newsgroups Considering all that, I do not consider the proposed charter to be acceptable. (see http://xp5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=5944883&server=db97p2x&CONTEXT=864…

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For whom the Bell tolls...
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The article on Bell was printed in this morning's Oregonian. Hoo Boy! They are accusing him of all sorts of nasty shit! "Planning to poison the Bull Run watershed with Botulism." "Planning to use a carbon thread attack on the 911 system." And more. If John Young has not printed the article by the time I get home from work, I will type the whole thing in. They are REALLY playing rough this time!

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Re: Distributing cryptographic code
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> We would like to put this code up for distribution (within the US >> of course), but don't actually know what is a 'reasonable' amount of >> protection that one need apply to prevent people from exporting >> it to the rest of the world. The current MIT PGP software distribution has apparently had some discussion with the Feds. MPJ>The technical solution that I have come up with is (1) have a web form MPJ> that asks 3 questions*, with the questions defaulting to "no" The questions that get asked can be phrased in a lot of different ways; as an anarchist I think that pgp.com's is a lot more friendly than some. A few places go to the extremes of "Are you a Subject of the US Gov't? Do you agree to be bound by every provision of the US Export laws, written or unwritten, and not even CONSIDER giving this code to anyone who might be a Furriner? Sign in blood here!", while others are more like "Have you heard that the US export laws say <blah blah blah>? Do you state that it's ok for you to have the code, and that it's Not Our Fault?" MPJ> If all 3 answers are "yes", and if the email address given is in a MPJ> domain that might be in the USA (.com, .gov, .org, .us, .mil, .net, Of course, .com, .net, and .org are non-nationally-based domains, and even email servers physically located in the US often have users located outside US territory. CompuServe is a prime example, with users all over the world. Some US-only-code-distribution sites try to keep track of which sites are in the US, at least for .net. Since the MIT code distribution site has been allowed to operate in spite of this, the attitude of the Export Cops appears to be a "Yes, we know it's bogus and unenforceable, but we need to at least maintain the pretense that we're enforcing it, so don't ask for too much technical clarification or we'll have to say No." [* Mime-Attachment: x-audio Audio-Parameter-Setting: Don-Hopkins-Imitating-Monty-Python "WHAT is your name? WHAT is your favorite color? HOW FAR can a migrating swallow fly while carrying a coconut?" "Er, is that a European swallow, or an African swallow?" # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Information Hiding Workshop
by Ross Anderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Call for Papers WORKSHOP ON INFORMATION HIDING 15 - 17 April 1998 Portland, Oregon Many researchers are interested in hiding information or in stopping other people doing this. Current research themes include copyright marking of igital objects, covert channels in computer systems, subliminal channels in cryptographic protocols, low-probability-of-intercept communications, broadcast encryption schemes, and various kinds of anonymity services ranging from steganography through location security to digital elections. These closely linked areas of study were brought together in 1996 by a workshop on information hiding held at the Isaac Newton Institute in Cambridge. This was felt to be very worthwhile by the research community, and it was decided to hold a second workshop in 1998. This second international workshop on information hiding will be held in Portland, Oregon from the 15th to the 17th April 1998. Instructions for authors: Interested parties are invited to submit papers on research and practice which are related to these areas of interest. Submissions can be made electronically (latex or postscript; preferred format is latex using llncs.sty) or in paper form; in the latter case, send eight copies suitable for blind refereeing (the authors' names should be on a separate cover sheet and there should be no obvious references). Papers should not exceed fifteen pages in length. Addresses for submission: awk(a)mailbox.jf.intel.com David Aucsmith Intel Architecture Labs 5200 N. E. Elam Young Parkway Hillsboro, OR 97124-6497 USA Deadlines: Paper submission: 31st December 1997 Notification of acceptance: 28th February 1998 Camera-ready copy for preproceedings: 31st March 1998 Camera-ready copy for final proceedings: 31st May 1998 Program committee: David Aucsmith (Intel) - chair Ross Anderson (Cambridge University) Steve Low (AT&T Bell Laboratories) Ira Moskowitz (US Naval Research Laboratory) Andreas Pfitzmann (Technical University of Dresden) Jean-Jacques Quisquater (Catholic University of Louvain) Gus Simmons (University of New Mexico) Michael Waidner (IBM, Zuerich) WWW version of cfp at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/ihws.html Details of the first (1996) information hiding workshop are at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/fapp2/steganography/bibliography/workshop.html

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Re: Jim Bell goes to Jail!
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:17 AM 5/19/97 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: >At 12:08 AM 5/19/97 -0700, Lucky Green wrote: > >>There are two reasons I can think of immediately why the feds would keep >>the warrant sealed. The first is that they don't want to reveal just how >>little evidence they have. The second reason is that the warrant might give >>some clue as to future actions/other suspects. Remember that the IRS agent >>found the AP essay by means of an Internet search engine. That almost >>certainly means he is following the discussions about Jim Bell on the Net. >>Such as the discussion on Cypherpunks. > >Actually the agent claimed to have found it among some papers in Jim's car >when the seized it for back taxes. I stand corrected. The essay was found in the car. However, after the essay was found the agent searched the Internet for copies of the essay and posts by Jim Bell discussing it. The agent's original affidavit states the number of AP related post by Jim the fed could find via a search engine. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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RE: Jim Bell goes to Jail--We should avoid raidable, physical meeting
by Chris DiBona 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<RANT> I couldn't disagree with you more Tim. If the FBI wants to come raid a Cypherpunk meeting and arrest me, they should be ready for a law suit that will make thier heads spin. I mean can you think of anything more protected by the first amendment than a bunch of hobbiest getting together to discuss math, for christs sakes? I know a couple of lawyers who would drool at the chance to defend someone who is lily white and is arrested for meeting and discussing prime numbers. To suggest the cessation of meetings (no matter how worthless Dimitri) really seems to me to be counter to everything this group is about. </RANT> Chris DiBona -----Original Message----- From: Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM [SMTP:dlv@bwalk.dm.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 4:30 AM To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Jim Bell goes to Jail--We should avoid raidable, physical meeting Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > (Also, I suggest _physical_ Cypherpunks meetings not be held for the > foreseeable future. I know I plan to skip them all. A gathering of "reputed > information terrorists, who have openly discussed assassination markets, C4 > explosives, and the destabilization of democratic governments" would be too > ripe a target for clowns like Reno, Freeh, and Kallstrom.) The physical meetings I've been to were not worth the trip. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: In my opinion .... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Fount this interesting for traffic on a RPG ML... Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:29:50 +1000 (EST) > From: Michael Solomani Mifsud <solomani(a)electric-rain.net> > To: "traveller(a)MPGN.COM" <traveller(a)MPGN.COM> > Subject: Re: In my opinion .... > On Tue, 20 May 1997, Steve Brengard wrote: > > > In my opinion I see 'offended' personalities as a sign the direction the World Community is headed, and it's a damn shame. I believe that most members of the list live and work within the national boundaries of the United States. Last time I checked, the constitution still protected the right of free speech. Every US citizen is entitled to free speech. If someone chooses to express there option, no matter if with taste or without, so be it. It is this same right that allows all of us to respond to such opinions. If you do not like a post or opinion, that great! If you like and support an opinion or post, that's great too! > > No all are from the USA, I am from Australia, free speech is a privelage > not a right and it can be revoked. > > Anyway as free speech pertains to this list, what you said means > jack. > > The list runs on a *private* server, therefore when you post to the > server your using someone elses property with permission. If that > permission is withdrawn by the owner then you have no recourse. Free > speech is not pertinent unless the *owner* promotes it. The owner can be > as arbitary as s/he wishs with the rules of *his* list on *his* server. > > God bless capatalism > > > > > > But lets be adults about it all. This liberalist path the US has > taken UPSETS me. That's right, its getting so bad that no one can say > anything without offending someone. Get over it. We all live in a world > of differing opinions. You MUST accept that other have differing opinions > then yours, and you MUST accept that they are entitled to their opinions. You may not agree with those opinions, but that simply does not invalidate them. > > > > This I agree with whole heartedly - down with political correctness!

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17 Dec '03

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Forgery detection
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C. May is just another garden variety Intel pansy that has been misusing its `manhole' so badly that the overstretched sphincter cannot hold back the shit that all Intellers are full of and it spills out onto this mailing list. /\_/\ ( x x ) -oo0-(o o)-0oo- Tim C. May

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Availability of Pini's CryptoCD
by Bill Campbell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been trying to get a copy of the Crypto CD using the ISBN number he used to have listed on his web page. However, every bookstore I've checked with can find no reference to it. Has anyone on the list gotten it via this method? I looked for Pini's web page but it appears to be gone. Anyone know about sources for the CD? Thanks =Bill=

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