December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Germany to Surveil CoS
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING INDEX Friday, June 6, 1997 Briefer: Nicholas Burns [Excerpt] QUESTION: What is the State Department's reaction to the decision of the German Interior Ministers to put the Church of Scientology under nationwide observation by the anti-extremist watchdogs? MR. BURNS: Well, we understand that the German state and federal interior ministers have agreed to pursue the recommendations of an experts group which called for the collection of information on Scientologists and scientology. It is our understanding - and we have a very incomplete understanding, actually, of this decision - that the ministers directed state and federal law enforcement agencies to develop a plan to implement these recommendations. We will examine the details of this decision carefully, but since I don't believe our embassy in Bonn or our German experts here at the State Department have had sufficient time really to look at this in detail, I don't think it's appropriate for me to give you a detailed comment. I will say this. The United States obviously has to stand for freedom of religion. We have that in our own country and we stand for freedom of religion around the world. If you would just look at our annual human rights reports, I think four out of the last five years or five of the last six - I forget which - we have mentioned this issue of scientology. But I feel compelled to say something else about this issue, and that is that Germany needs to be protected, the German Government and the German leadership need to be protected from this wild charge made by the Church of Scientology in the United States that somehow the treatment of Scientologists in Germany can or should be compared to the treatment of Jews who had to live, and who ultimately perished, under Nazi rule in the 1930s. This wildly inaccurate comparison is most unfair to Chancellor Kohl and to his government and to regional governments and city governments throughout Germany. It has been made consistently by supporters of scientology here in the United States, and by Scientologists themselves. I do want to disassociate the United States Government from this campaign. We reject this campaign. It is most unfair to Germany and to Germans in general. QUESTION: Anything in this latest effort by Germany to deal with the Church of Scientology that concerns you? MR. BURNS: Well, Carol, as I said, we have a sketchy understanding, at best, of what this means. It appears to be instructions by state and federal law enforcement agencies to look at a set of recommendations and develop a plan upon recommendations. We have an alliance relationship with Germany. We have a very close relationship. I think among friends, you don't shoot first and ask questions later. What we need to do is study this issue, talk to the German Government about it, and then perhaps we will have something to say later on. But I think it would be most unfair to Germany for us to have detailed comments when we don't have a detailed understanding of what this process may or may not be. Yes. [End excerpt]

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Re: Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:00 PM 6/5/97 -6, Peter Trei wrote: >In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK >without ever getting near sounding anti-government; >in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a >conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Yup. Let me add one more I just posted to the cryptography list. When you have non-GAK strong crypto for criminals to use, they (like the rest of us) will be seduced into believing that they have privacy and will loosen their tongues. As a result, more and better intelligence will be available over that communications channel. For the proportion of cases where the person on the other side is an agent or someone turned by threat of prosecution, this intelligence falls into the hands of law enforcement. Even better, this person who is reporting to LE is remote from the real criminal(s), so he is in substantially less danger of being frisked to discover a wire. - Carl +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)cybercash.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | |CyberCash, Inc. http://www.cybercash.com/ | |207 Grindall Street PGP 2.6.2: 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | |Baltimore MD 21230-4103 T:(410) 727-4288 F:(410)727-4293 | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Privacy in Europe
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.3.89.9706061758.A25516-0100000@netcom22>, on 06/06/97 at 05:49 PM, Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> said: >The recent post by John Young about the German woman charged with linking > to Radikal caused me to investigate this issue. >You may have heard that Radikal had an article on sabotaging train >systems. The article simply stated that if you break open a certain type >of control box found next to train tracks and yank the circuit boards, >the trains will refuse to enter the given track segment. Hardly the worst >of possible sabotages and considerably less fatal than other methods >discussed on a mailing list near you. >BTW, the woman has now been slapped with a new charge. Apparently it is >illegal in Germany to publish criminal complaints. [Due to privacy >regulations?] >Since the woman has the official paperwork detailing the charges against >her on her web site, she has now been charged *again* for violating the >prohibition against publishing the official court documents. >Things are better in Europe? You must to be joking. The problem with Europe is we kicked out the Germans and left the Nazi's. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5i6no9Co1n+aLhhAQFIYAQAoK5o6kQ36FeI3B5uP2/FGZfpTDanDYnc LY0TCxv1BeJrzCw8nvWleouOw3IwzJmK3EiCp6A4K9svrZPfWGSXhZjvyW+6tJPB ujAz/gyUj2mFNdLz6/bJHp4uIirWPxyiJrGlBuEA8uJrGiu4n20zsXeBAvNNUY6u 6kiak6sbr9Y= =Tj5L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: NYT on German Net Police
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > Robert Hettinga wrote: > >> Recall a previous report that Kohl and other heads of state are > >> to meet in Denver on June 20-22 to plan a global attack > >> on "cyber-terrorism," including the spread of encryption: > >> > >> http://jya.com/denver.htm > > > >Wow. What an opportunity for street theater *that* might be... > > Excellent suggestion, Agent Provocateur (AP) Bob. > > Now, what would be the cyber-version of street theater? Meet incoming International airline flights and hand out free copies of strong crypto (electronic and/or text) to incoming foreigners. Carry passports with Public Key footprint as identifier. > For examp, the security arrangements for the trial will be broadened, > and artfully leaked to the Denver-ensconced and equipped media, to > promote and protect the priceless Derrieres of State. > > But what might cyber-terribles do to work-a-round the highly > classified meat protections? Provide delegates with bogus/forged information regarding meeting, times, security proceedures, etc. > Denver's Judge Downes sent a missive in plaintext to IRS, a > spit in the bucket another Bob said. What about a bigger oyster > hawk at the lens and mikes of the leaders of the free worlds? Forged conference media handouts with quotes from Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. FalseMonger

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Steak Knife Decryption
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by message＠marketcom2.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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DCSB: IETF-TLS, Exporting Financial Cryptography, and theProspects for SET
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Win Treese Open Market, Inc. "Security Standards, Policy, and Projects: A Personal View" Tuesday, July 1, 1997 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Price, Including Luncheon: $30.00 In this talk, Win will discuss three areas of recent work related to security: 1. History, status, and future of the Transport Layer Security Working Group of the IETF. This working group has been moving SSL into an Internet Standard. 2. Experiences with gaining approval for exporting Internet commerce products with strong cryptography. 3. History, status, and future of the Secure Electronic Transactions protocol, from the point of view of a developer of Internet commerce products. Win Treese is Director of Security at Open Market, which provides products and services for Internet commerce. He has been with the company since it began operation in 1994, working primarily on the security and payment architecture across its product line. He also chairs the Transport Layer Security Working Group of of the IETF. Prior to joining Open Market, he was with the Cambridge Research Lab of Digital Equipment Corporation. He also served as Chief Systems Engineer at MIT's Project Athena. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, July 1, 1997, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $30.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We will attempt to record this meeting and put it on the web in RealAudio format at some future date We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, June 28, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $30.00. If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: August Duncan Frissell MarketEarth September Christof Paar Elliptic Curve Cryptography October Peter Cassidy Military Fiat and Digital Commerce November Carl Ellison Identity and Certification for Electronic Commerce We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com> . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM5lTPcUCGwxmWcHhAQHZ6wgAoK0oExZ15s+OA4k81Z8ibUsICWQq40Lp r+K52kvV0gALw92eIg8D1QjWXGlUnO6QcSLJhn4GcFzRDJSJ4qDZpQCN/U0Kwvom vdhGb9f3YtJ3FqR9AjTq6HwEBuAQzdSmHW6FrgoI+cCNrGH7c55EPYPLae02d1Aq NMthOBv/BsR7EcGjajnHPiTuW2BJcoMxnSuYmuvDx1XWZfYztmI00yLRd2cV/a0F hNM3HFwDGNzKGKpe05lW453BP13kXduT3VBtituUr6LSji6X2GTGR3zRVE8c43v4 fhYLFYqP0NiK2iRpcw4Mm7PkysCSKlHG+9JAAIFZc6LbkU5BHbbHPQ== =UU4C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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SSZ status (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Jun 7 13:38:49 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199706071838.NAA00222(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: SSZ status To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:38:47 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 962 Hi, The initial hardware upgrade went without a hitch. No additional downtime is expected today. We will let the system run until tomorrow afternoon before deciding on the need for further tweaking. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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UK cryptography list
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After much playing with majordomo I have decided to create a UK cryptography list, I intend the list to focus on UK cryptography research, law, activism, announcements of conferences/meetings etc... The list is being hosted on fatmans.demon.co.uk, which is served by a dial up connection, so message latency will be around 12 hours on average, but I do not see this as a problem as I imagine list traffic will not be very high. Of course, the list will be open for anyone to subscribe whether in the UK or not, and it will be totally unmoderated (with the exception of majordomos command filter which sends posts containing the string "subscribe" to the list owner instead of the list). To subscribe to the list send email to majordomo(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk with the string "subscribe crypto" in the message body. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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17 Dec '03

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