December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner Move the corporate ladder to your back yard. Because you can. VAIO/Sony rule JUDGE THROWS OUT RUBY RIDGE CHARGES Randy Weaver's house October 2, 1997 Web posted at: 8:36 p.m. EDT (0036 GMT) Latest developments: * Judge invokes double-jeopardy law * Harris accused of killing U.S. marshal * Charges against FBI agent unaffected BONNERS FERRY, Idaho (CNN) -- An Idaho judge dismissed a state murder charge against a man accused of killing a federal agent in the Ruby Ridge shootout, saying he can't be tried again after his acquittal of murder in federal court. Idaho Magistrate Judge Quentin Harden ruled Thursday that the charge against Kevin Harris violate a state law barring prosecution of someone who faced the same charges in another "state, territory or country." Prosecutor Denise Woodbury, who charged Harris and FBI marksman Lon Horiuchi in state court in August, had argued that the state double-jeopardy law was meant to cover prosecutions in other countries, not the United States. "I find that (Idaho law) bars further prosecution of Kevin Harris for the acts set forth ... in the complaint in this case," Harden said. "To rule that the courts of the United States of America do not come under 'another state, territory, or country' would be an anomalous result -- giving more credence to the courts of another country than to the courts of our own nation," Harden wrote. Harris accused of killing U.S. marshal Standoff scene Harris, 29, of Republic, Washington, was accused in the shooting death of deputy U.S. Marshal William Degan and of shooting at another agent in the August 21, 1992, shootout that precipitated an 11-day siege at the cabin of white separatist Randy Weaver. A friend of Weaver's, Harris was staying at the cabin during the shootout and was wounded by an FBI sniper's bullet. Weaver's 14-year-old son, Sam, was killed in the gunfight. His wife, Vicki Weaver, was later shot and killed during the siege by the FBI's Horiuchi. The shootout has become a rallying point for some groups who believe federal law enforcement has encroached too much on citizens' rights. Weaver and Harris were tried and acquitted of federal charges in 1993. But in August, Woodbury charged Harris with first-degree murder in Degan's death and assault with a deadly weapon against Arthur Roderick, another law enforcement officer. Harden also dismissed the assault charge. Woodbury also charged Horiuchi with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Vicki Weaver. Charges against FBI agent unaffected Harden's ruling doesn't affect the charge against Horiuchi, who has never been tried in any court. His lawyers have indicated they will try to move his case to a federal court. Harris was at his job as a welder when he received the news that the murder charge against him had been dismissed, said Diane Peters, his business partner at Eagle Industries. "We were hoping what was fair and just would turn out," Peters said. Harris himself did not return a phone call, and Woodbury declined to comment on Harden's ruling. Reuters contributed to this report. rule Related stories: * Both sides decry new Ruby Ridge charges - August 21, 1997 * FBI senior officials won't be charged in Ruby Ridge siege - August 15, 1997 * Former FBI section chief pleads guilty, admits destroying Ruby Ridge report - October 30, 1996 * FBI official charged with obstruction after concealing Ruby Ridge report - October 22, 1996 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * United States Department of Justice Home Page * Federal Bureau of Investigation External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Move the corporate ladder to your back yard. Because you can. VAIO/Sony rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: http:--www.cnn.com-US-9710-01-shooting.update-
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Crypto relevance? Naturally: this wouldn't have happened if strong crypto were outlawed! At 09:51 PM 10/1/97 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > CNN logo > Navigation > > Infoseek/Big Yellow > > TEEN KILLS 2 AT SCHOOL; MOTHER FOUND DEAD AT HOME > > Woodham October 1, 1997 > Web posted at: 3:38 p.m. EDT (1938 GMT) > > PEARL, Mississippi (CNN) -- A Mississippi teen-ager slashed his > mother's throat Wednesday morning before going on a shooting rampage > at his high school that left two students dead and at least six > wounded, authorities said. > > The high school junior, Luke Woodham, was arrested and charged with > three counts of murder shortly after the shooting at Pearl High > School, about three miles east of the state capital, Jackson. > > Police Chief Bill Slade choked back tears as he told reporters, > "This was a disgruntled girlfriend-boyfriend thing... We talked to > the youth. He gave us a statement and his manifesto was that he felt > he had been wronged." > etc,..,. obligatory pgp key: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 4.5 mQENAjMPX3sAAAEIAL8U6IqpMkqM3TcIqU/q7iot8pYk4ifVNaNlIYwwoYmPXH/T dabDzgkQg7h1QsEJU71Ze8EdHmKksfeBEVppJV6X9SyzpFOCgrI/Qr7hMbxnecci SVk2/B2lf4tUPuqm/DGRfAUcd4iG7Gjhw5GRh9Us/jrEtkqr3iIES+9pSNvrEsgB xYYR39eaYwe0gheExaO7vtvDDPUM7C3spbcnwOyLCpURpLCAMHUO8DQc2FO/fN4z TqqIFOect2ea4LYHr0o29RrtY9J85lQj3df8LQvIJWjwzAFfBqOU1KUdXqTayzUj rvY4ZL/1vhTJ5QmlBJ6ognqwk7PVN0SesspU2okABRG0IGdyZWdnIHBlcnNvbmFs IDxnZWVtYW5AYmVzdC5jb20+ =H0bC -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: http:--www.cnn.com-US-9710-01-shooting.update- (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: geeman(a)best.com > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:47:35 -0700 > Subject: Re: http:--www.cnn.com-US-9710-01-shooting.update- > Crypto relevance? Naturally: this wouldn't have happened if strong crypto > were outlawed! > > TEEN KILLS 2 AT SCHOOL; MOTHER FOUND DEAD AT HOME > > > > Woodham October 1, 1997 > > Web posted at: 3:38 p.m. EDT (1938 GMT) > > > > PEARL, Mississippi (CNN) -- A Mississippi teen-ager slashed his > > mother's throat Wednesday morning before going on a shooting rampage > > at his high school that left two students dead and at least six > > wounded, authorities said. This list is involved with much more than just crypto. These were submitted as further datum in the ongoing guns discussion. You might try using procmail filtering on 'gun' to eliminate such traffic. The Cypherpunks Creedo: Empower yourself and quit bothering me. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous wrote: >> > - Everyone a remailer. Remailers only accept messages from other >> > remailers. To use remailers you must run a remailer. >> >> I don't grow my own wheat, grind it up, and then make my own bread. I >> also prefer not to run a remailer. > >You don't have to. You pay someone to bake your bread for you, and >you can pay someone to run your remailer for you. > >This idea has been around since remailers began. The basic premise >is that a group of remailers are set up which only accept mail from >other remailers. A pinging system can be set up to verify that all >the remailers are operating correctly. > >The catch is that in practice each remailer is only required to >accept mail from other remailers, but can actually accept mail from >anybody the operator wants to. So if you don't want to run a >remailer, just pay someone to run a remailer on your behalf, and then >you can send anonymous messages through that person's site. > >Thus forwarding within the remailer network is free, but it costs >money to insert new messages. This scheme is a little more flexible >than attaching ecash to each message because you can arrange any type >of fee schedule you like, such as a flat rate per month. This is interesting. One nice feature is that there doesn't need to be a standardized payment arrangement with all remailers, just the one you use for your entry point. And, there's nothing that prevents many remailer networks from overlapping. (Actually, the geometry could create some neat problems.) This would be fairly easy to set up, not even really needing client software modifications. However, it does have a "commons" problem. No remailer operator has an incentive to provide really good service. They are all encouraged to provide the bare minimum remailer service and take advantage of the other remailers in the network. For example, what would encourage somebody to have a 24 x 7 remailer service with continuous staffing? This would be desirable because when the bad guys kick down the door, there is somebody awake to pull the plug. There are a zillion other features which won't happen if there isn't a proper incentive. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDR4w5aWtjSmRH/5AQEG4gf+M/7L0iR3qLoXB1jhLkCyuq2iasP+7dO8 nv3QkA3LcTk6gcIMvJKYAfGUlsqISOFOhIfB2G37bLIQ9PjPeP99x48lBklwZ61A 64JeiD187qEkS0bXy5Q5OLNnoQ1jhsQOF9dSqDgA7c3n6kDVv0fsIZ3gdCimFNqR 53qBcUQG14NcPIsYURmNUfX8p68T01yc+8rQUkh3xmmXCr89cgodCFoFpwKUojYp tumpPTdDYMZkjflAm2ZQxOgfrKryvtI/ESjy5R2xFxEcxB4nvJ1qZ2fVhhy/dQbS 9EdjT1WSG99rfOKRkJNd/ANeB3HU5ynq1WdrBq95TCRb+/znnguyaw== =HbZJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Kevin Harris Charges Dismissed
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An Idaho magistrate dismissed state murder and other charges against Ruby Ridge defendent Kevin Harris today, citing double jeopardy. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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Re: Digital Postage (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Digital Postage (fwd) > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:09:22 -0500 (CDT) > From: "snow" <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> > He of the Hyperlong .sig said: I could make it even longer if it would irritate you more... > > Ask yourself this, how attractive would the Internet have been if it had > > required users to install and manage multiple communications protocols for > > every connection? > > You mean like FTP, NNTP, HTTP, SMTP & etc.? > > Rudy can't fail. No, not services, network protocols TCP/IP/UDP...IPX...NetBUI...Lantastic...MosesLAN...ParNet...etc. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Newbie Question
by Law Abiding Citizen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm new to encryption, having just purchased PGP. I want to abide by the law, but I don't know who to send a copy of my secret key to. Do I send it to the FBI guy who shot the unarmed woman, the FBI guy, Kahoe, who ordered evidence of the FBI murder of citizens destroyed, or to one of the other four top FBI officials who helped with the cover-up? Do I have to send a copy of my secret key to the CIA, as well? If so, do I just give it to my drug dealer and have him pass it along to his connection, or should I just give it to a Jewish person and tell them to have the Mossad pass it along to the CIA? Also, I like sticking large, foreign objects in my rectum. Can I legally do that myself, with a toilet plunger, or are they restricted to only use by LEA's in meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. Insincerely, A.L-A. Citizen

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17 Dec '03

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If you build it, they will con, from the Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: If you build it, they will con, from the Netly News ************ http://pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1168,00.html The Netly News (http://netlynews.com) July 15, 1997 If You Build It, They Will Con by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Perhaps the thinking behind DefCon went something like this: Lure hundreds of hackers to Las Vegas in the middle of the summer, ply them with cheap beer, talk about packet sniffing, and observe. Last year the result was self-organizing chaos, capped by an event where the hired strippers were upstaged by a band of exhibitionist conferencegoers. "The pimp was like, 'Oh my God,'" says Dark Tangent, DefCon's organizer. Last weekend's fifth annual DefCon may have been a little less raucous, but it was no less important as a place where hackers from around the world gather to socialize, gamble -- and glance around furtively trying to spot the government agents who infiltrate the convention. (Bonus: If you guess correctly, you can take a prized "I Spotted the Fed" T-shirt home with you.) [...]

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Australia's restricted Walsh crypto-report attracts interest
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Australia's restricted Walsh crypto-report attracts interest The report's at: http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Crypto/Walsh/ Also, I understand from participants in the Canberra meeting that U.S. performance there was lackluster at best. -Declan ********* http://www.australian.aust.com/computer/fulltext/c0715d.htm Censored report on the Web By STEVE CREEDY July 15: The encryption report the Federal Government did not want Australians to read is already attracting overseas interest after just one week on the Web. A censored version of the Walsh Report on cryptography was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and has been posted online by Electronic Frontiers Australia. The report, originally slated to be published earlier this year, had been withheld by federal Attorney-General Daryl Williams. EFA officials, worried the Government would formulate an encryption policy without debate, posted the report. The move came as international experts met in Canberra last week for closed-door discussions on cryptography. The report advises against major legislation to safeguard security and law enforcement interests. It proposes "minor legislative and other actions", including updating existing telecommunications and search laws, as well as a more co-ordinated approach by government to cryptography. It does not support US proposals for tackling the issues, including law to require decoding keys be stored with the Government. EFA cryptography committee chairman Greg Taylor said overseas interest was particularly strong from the US where there has been a long-standing debate on how to balance privacy, police and security issues when legislating on encrypted communications. Concern in Australia focused on whether the Government would present a cryptography policy without debate. "We're trying to make sure there is debate about all the issues and submissions from interested parties  commercial, government and private interests," he said. But a spokesman for the Attorney-General said on Sunday the Government was formulating a policy and that there was scope for public input. "There will be, as a matter of course, some sort of announcement," he said. "That allows people to have input." The move to post the report was welcomed by its author, former ASIO deputy director-general Gerard Walsh, who said his work was for debate and he did not know why it had been withheld by the Attorney-General, who had cited "security issues". The spokesman said the document "was not suitable for discussion for the development of policy in the encryption area and, therefore, was not suitable for public release". However, Mr Walsh said he wrote two versions, one for public consumption and one that was "mildly classified". "Because there was going to be a public version, I did speak with interested parties and invited them to have a look and comment on the report in draft form," he said. "As I left it and as I understood it, all were content with it going public but someone must have had a change of heart." The version posted by EFA is the one intended for public discussion with an estimated 20 to 25 paragraphs deleted. Mr Taylor said it was posted with government permission. "The Attorney-General's [department] said they couldn't do much about it anyway," he said. The censored paragraphs fell under sections of the FOI Act relating to internal working documents, law enforcement issues and issues of national security. He did not know what was contained in the deleted paragraphs. Mr Taylor said Mr Walsh found the situation "quite laughable". The Walsh report was probably one of the first balanced reviews of the cryptography issue. "All existing reports are either prepared by government and come down heavily on one side, or they're prepared by groups that basically look at privacy," he said. "This one looks at all issues and as result of analysing them appears to state the whole concept of key escrow is doomed to failure." Mr Walsh concluded government should not commit to a particular solution because the problem itself "will continue to change". US attempts to regulate encryption  including the clipper chip, key escrow and key management  were "public relations and practical disasters". Blanket bans that limited access to services and equipment to achieve access for law enforcement agencies were not in the national interest. "I agree there is a law enforcement required access, but the way in which you achieved it was not to belt the little hazelnut with an almighty steam press that diminished everyone's freedom," he said. "Rather, the direction in which I wanted to push things was to say: 'It would be better to slightly stiffen, strengthen and make more relevant those somewhat anachronistic investigative powers that already exist'." ###

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