December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: What's really in PGP 5.5?
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 10/9/97 12:42 PM, Anonymous (anon(a)anon.efga.org) passed this wisdom: >It still satisfies the government's requirement to get routine >access to most email communications, and to allow criminals who >use standard email packages to be watched. This sums up the stupidity of the whole thing. The *only* thing the government achieves is invasion of honest people's privacy and catching a few stupid crooks who would most likely fuck up anyway and get caught if they are actually stupid enough to think government escrowed encryption is gonna hide their communications. Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "He's mad that trusts in the tameness of a wolf ... or a whore's oath." -- SHAKESPEARE, "King Lear," III, 6

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Re: What's really in PGP 5.5?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Martin Minow claiming to be Martin Minow wrote: >Anonymous, claiming to be Monty Cantsin, writes about PGP 5.5: I beg your pardon! >>Decrypting files and decrypting messages are not the same problem. >>The PGP product has SMTP support - it is explicitly designed to >>weaken transmitted messages. Just like Clipper. > >No, it isn't "just like Clipper." Messages encrypted with PGP 5.5 >can be decrypted or verified by PGP 5.0 or other implementations that >can decode the PGP message and encryption format. Also, PGP 5.0 or other >complient implementations can send encrypted and signed messages to >PGP 5.5 users. Next you'll be telling us that PGP doesn't really use Skipjack. ;-) _Of course_ it isn't Clipper. But, it's like Clipper in the most important way: it is surveillance friendly. The use of Clipper was not compelled. We hated it because if it were used to any degree at all, its use would become mandatory. PGP Inc.'s Big Brother line of products play the same role Clipper did, only they are wrapped up in PGP Inc.'s "Good Guy" image. PGP Inc. may succeed where William Clinton and The Spooks failed. Were we to behave consistently, we would treat the company with the same level of trust and respect the present administration receives. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBND1+KpaWtjSmRH/5AQFTTwf7B6QO8I0yqQobsoUlW5AZxxXH4Tya/pwd 3hAZs//Y1gKyVEX6nW9dE3sDVAW8GBK489S4TMWemdbtfgeq7EaiV0D5QcLcAXst Iqz/WIKxpXjJ5+DjPV2CP6v6zd2XGIa7y3G0BKXglLZh5X7EkiRbJ6c8aixgAk6n 2nFKDqyp53mpmqTPm7xQbpYni5CtQ8Ljq/m+m4LP1hN05OYR8ZWJRz7hqrWvU+5A zw0xagCgPOKZZMZNS7sW+xGwVezsLis9KMZvsB1Paq4s8+geNlFr73vDwlM9SROI KxCfJnpr/sLG3x3Mtbv8Y0vhErTsZ2Pu4HnazVdjelh+r6O67v3TQQ== =JUfQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: America as a Shake Down Extortion State
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >The debate over crypto almost certainly fits this pattern. If and when a >domestic ban on crypto is likely to pass and be signed, companies like RSA >and PGP will face extinction. This will then "incentivize" executives of >these companies to release funds, in the form of campaign >contributions--either directly or through back channels--to the Republican >and Democratic parties. Then a "compromise" will be found which lets RSA >and PGP, as examples, survive. And they may also be given government >business, with suitable GAK features made mandatory. Netscape has just been awarded a major contract with the Department of Defense for "secure" browsers, with options for "annual renewals." One of the best ever for NSCP. This is a public deal, as distinguished from the secret others pointed to in mandatory public notices in the Federal Register of meetings closed for national security by the Defense Science Boards, the National Defense Panel, and a welter of mil/gov advisory groups composed of members from industry, education and policy orgs eager to get advance word of market and contribution opportunities.

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Re: Applying ``Crowds'' idea to anonymous e-cash.
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: >On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, John Kelsey wrote: >> Crowds, for those who haven't seen it, is a way of giving web users >> partial anonymity by making it impossible to determine which member >> of some ``crowd'' of users did some action (such as requesting a >> document). (This is a very rough summary--read the paper for the >> real analysis.) > >Some people from MSFT proposed a similar concept at FC'97. As for its >real life value, the legal term for such a system is "conspiracy". Almost everything we do could be called "conspiracy". John has a good idea here. Let's give it room to grow.

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Re: Defeating MITM with Eric's Secure Phone
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My apologies if this has already been discussed, but wouldn't this be a straightforward solution? Alice and Bob use PGP as a secure, identified channel to exchange a random 6 digit hex number. For example, 0xC926D0. When they establish their Comsec connection, they read 0x5F92E4 off their units. Alice takes the digits C, 9, and 2, and adds them mod 16 to 5, F, and 9 to get the digits 1, 8, and B, which she reads to Bob who confirms them. (Adding just the digits instead of larger numbers means that Alice and Bob can do the computation in their heads.) Bob takes the digits 6, D, and 0 and adds them mod 16 to the digits 2, E, and 4 to get 8, B, and 4. Bob reads them to Alice who confirms them. Any flaws? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBND2EZ5aWtjSmRH/5AQGBnQf/QRMe/66ge+M/zHzzrZ7zc3g9wFKESsjA alzeGfUulzp+18JyUy1RHNOtM+4bXZUaiYAN7FnxKkAkY+IzW5m7nDHMnC18e+bD IZpO626Ze+pumokhXVTYW0JHWF4OfCol4qmYNSTjM+n4RO0DcmecOuQYuwnscJvb 808rsuin09dhY3UV5uyDWrCwuATIRjwSRTewBinuTGZo/QtMurXJlPc45WtF07oC 9Tg3ebnnq0NtbxWmsX7WT/tjFHoniS5sPoBusrlZT+1z+PT0SzqtSR1JmWKGVQQC xubaghabXvNj9nZZPsEGCG4rMbJw8Qtoh9J6I+aQJ0TVK4hHuanJXw== =Ooh/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Pipes & inodes ... redux (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: mhahn(a)tivoli.com (Mike Hahn) > Subject: Re: Pipes & inodes ... redux > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:57:22 -0500 (CDT) > > > > As for as the "getting old" thread of Kenny Z's: > > > > Speaking of Kenny Z, did you know that Kenny G was majority > > stockholder of Starbucks? > > Man, you would think with all that coffee, he could play something better > than the crap he plays...Heck, Miles Davis and Charlie Parker survived on > Folgers for all we know... How about Robert Johnson....Terraplane Blues rules....;) Ravage Black Leather Monster

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Re: Where is _my_ blowjob?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Cordian wrote: >His parents and the cops then tried to have him declared insane and >institutionalized, which didn't work. They also immediately arrested >his friend. The cops working on his case then phoned the team >investigating the murder of the younger boy, and gave his name to >them as a suspect. He was then arrested and jailed for that murder, >although no direct evidence linking him to the murder has been >released. A little confused here. Let's call the older man "Victor" and his fifteen year old friend "Harold". Neither of them were murdered, right? Let's call the murder victim "Norbert". "Harold" refused to rat out "Victor" and now the police are charging "Harold" with the murder of "Norbert". What is the relationship between "Harold" and "Norbert"? You say there is no direct evidence connecting them. What evidence does connect them? Did they at least know each other? >The press continues to harp on the "murder suspect was abused" and >"parents rights foiled by the system" aspects of the case, to the >exclusion of the possibility that he is only in jail because the >police wanted to screw him, or that the murder was committed in a >blind fit of rage as a result of his manipulation at the hands of >various authority figures. While "Harold" may not be guilty of the murder, if he did kill "Norbert" then he should probably be treated as a murderer. While the police should not harrass gays, such harrassment does not seem to make a good excuse for murdering an unrelated completely innocent third party. JusticeMonger

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The Sovereign Individual - ignorant authors
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Finaly getting back to reading some more of the book [1], Chpt. 9 in particular. This chapter deals with various aspects of social issues (eg rise of national languages) and how they led to the growth of nationalism in general. Toward the end of the chapter (pp. 265 in the hardback) these idiots (don't know a better term) actualy have the audactity to claim that Stephen Jay Gould is a neo-creationist, in short they claim that Gould holds there is a 'higher power' (ie transcendance) directing evolution and the impact of inhereted traits on society. The author of this section has apparently never read a word that Gould has written. Gould is known as a leading supporter of Punctuated Equilibria and its various spawn, and with Ernst Meyr lead the battle against creationist theories and others of that ilk. Gould and Meyr's theories flatly reject transcendance as a force in evolutionary theory. Considering that no supporter of transcendance in evolutionary theory has ever succesfuly weathered a reasoned attack I simply stand in awe of the authors expectation of the readers ignorance. The more I read of this book the less respect I have for either author. I previously recommended this book as an intellectual challenge at least, I retract that recommendation. Don't waste your money on this drivel from a couple of snake oil salesmen who continously contradict themselves and pose flawed theory after flawed theory. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| [1] The Sovereign Individual: How to survive and thrive during the collapse of the welfare state J.D. Davidson, Lord W. Rees-Mogg ISBN 0-684-81007-7

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Re: Pipes & inodes ... redux (fwd) [oops]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> > Subject: Re: Pipes & inodes ... redux (fwd) > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:53:50 -0500 (CDT) Sorry, that was meant for a completely different set of readers. I hit the wrong key. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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