December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Clinton's Bigger Gun Ban
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is the intro from: http://www.nra.org/pub/ila/1997/97-10-24_faxalert_bigger_gun_ban THE BIGGER CLINTON GUN BAN As reported in Wednesday's Special FAX Alert, the Clinton- Gore Administration is planning to issue a directive to ban certain types of foreign-made firearms from coming into this country. We believe the White House will move to stop all commerce in certain semi-automatic firearms that conform in every way to the legal requirements set forth in both the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994 and the 1989 import ban. Sources also suggest that the directive will order the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms to convene a study group to further narrow the scope of firearms that qualify for importation under the "sporting purposes" test. Given past action, a ban on all imported handguns is not unlikely. In response to this directive, Congressman Bob Barr (R-Ga.) held a press conference on Capitol Hill today with NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, NRA-ILA Executive Director Tanya K. Metaksa, and other pro-Second Amendment congressmen, including, Jim Barcia (D-Mich.), Pete Sessions (R-Tex.), Virgil Goode (D-Va.), and Wes Watkins (R-Okla.) "The Clinton Administration is introducing the Bigger Clinton Gun Ban of 1998 - still another prohibition that bans more guns and shows more hypocrisy than ever before," emphasized Mrs. Metaksa. She added, "From the White House to Handgun Control, Inc., every gun ban advocate in America is busy confirming everything NRA has ever said about the 1994 gun ban." Basically, that it's an ineffective cosmetic ban and that Clinton's efforts to ban guns in 1994 was only a precursor to bigger, more restrictive bans. All NRA members are encouraged to contact your U.S. Representative at (202)224-3121, to urge him to oppose the President's attempt to ban more semi-automatic firearms -- semi-autos that his 1994 ban previously ok'd! In the meantime, NRA-ILA will continue to update our members as we learn more about Clinton's latest attack on America's law-abiding gun owners.

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Re: PGP and Outlook
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

wannabe smart wrote: > > So without the obligatory flames for using a microshaft product, > can anyone tell me if they have PGP 5.0 working for the > newest version of Outlook? (And how?) We could tell you, but then we'd have to killfile you...

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At Last...We Finally Know For Sure.
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----BEGIN CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- > "Timmy C. Mayonnaise carries a turd in his wallet for identification > purposes." > -----END CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- \ That's good enough for me! {:>)=======< /

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Re: [cpe:3185] Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 23:01:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: [cpe:3185] Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..) > "It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees" A true idiots answer. Paraphrased: Your job isn't to die for your country, your job is to make that other poor son-of-a-bitch die for his. Gen. George S. Patton Remember, dead men NEVER won a war. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: I don't need no steenking badge...but I got one anyway (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 04:48:17 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: I don't need no steenking badge...but I got one anyway > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > Why do the average citizens put up with behavior from legislators and > law enforcement agents that they would not tolerate in their children? I'll tell you, course I won't be lucky enough your head will then explode but I can wish.... It's called *trust* in a ideal. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: At Last...We Finally Know For Sure.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bureau42 Anonymous Remailer wrote: > > > -----BEGIN CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > "Timmy C. Mayonnaise carries a turd in his wallet for identification > > purposes." > > -----END CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > \ > That's good enough for me! {:>)=======< > / Hey! Somebody shot my arms off! {:<)=======<

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Orthogonal (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:05:07 +0100 (MET) > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> > Re: Orthogonal > > Oxford English Dictionary Word and Language Service > > Do you have a query about words, their > origin, meaning, use, spelling, pronunciation, > or any other aspect of the English language? > Then write to OWLS at Oxford University Press, > Walton Street, Oxford OX2 6DP, England. > > All queries willl be answered using the full > resources of the Oxford Dictionary Department. Like the rest of the mentaly mastubatory on here, you missed the *entire* point of my original question. How did the word get there, NOT what the word means. I KNOW what and how to use the word. Some of you people are fucking worthless for anything other than baiting. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | If the foo shits, wear it. | | | | Killroy | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: (off-topic--delete now) Re: Search warrants and Senate hearing o
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Sims wrote: > Declan wroted: > > Somebody writ: > > >The free market approach won't keep medical records private. > > > > We haven't tried that approach yet, at least in the late 20th > > century. ... > > In other words, the reason a "free market" approach may not work > > right now is because the market isn't free. > Declan, every part of the "health-care market" that people are > complaining about, the parts of it that routinely and for fiscal > reasons violate people's privacy, are completely and utterly > dollar-driven and do not result from big nasty government making any > laws. Right. And you're going to use examples pertaining to huge health industry corporations who exist only because of the mountains of government regulations which keep small health care providers from providing simple, sane market options. > That HMO... > huge insecure insurance databases... > > Oh, there are a few examples of government-caused... Do not pass GoFuckYourself. Do not collect 200 Reputation Capital Credits. The totality of today's medical profession and health care system *is* 'government-caused.' You can't piss in a pot you keep under your bed without violating a hundred laws from the Health Department to the EPA to... Kiss your child's 'stubbed' toe 'better' and you'll end up in prison for unlawfully practicing medicine. > The US has the closest to a free-market in health-care information of > any of the industrialized nations. Earth to Michael! Earth to Michael... > Gawd, libertarians complaining about a market failure. I may cry. No. Libertarians complaining about government perversion of a free market. If you cry, make sure you wipe those tears with a towel that meets government standards. (Cost: $3,000.00) TruthMonger

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William Louis Pol J. Pot speaks...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 27, 1997 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Pol pot speaks On Oct. 16 Nate Thayer, an American correspondent for the weekly Far Eastern Economic Review, conducted the first known interview since 1979 with Cambodian Communist Pol Pot. The New York Times printed excerpts Oct. 23. ... From 1975 and 1979, as summarized by The New York Times, Pol Pot "turned his country into a vast labor camp, driving people from the cities and forcing them to work in the fields in primitive conditions. In the name of a radical agrarian ideal, he slaughtered the middle class; professionals, monks, artists -- anyone with an education, anyone with glasses. ... ... That death toll would be equivalent to executing 75 million Americans. And what does the enfeebled mass murderer now have to say? "Our movement made mistakes," he graciously acknowledges ... "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people," Pol Pot still insists. "We had no other choice" but to kill political opponents, he argues. "Naturally, we had to defend ourselves." But "To say that millions died is too much. ... Even now, and you can look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear." ... And now, the sheer mundanity of this tired old man, confined to a hut and insisting there were "only hundreds of thousands." ... Even if the survivors in righteous indignation were to seize Pol Pot and tear him limb from limb, the central, nagging question would remain: "Even now, and you can look at me: am I a savage?" No. Pol Pot is not a savage. ... It took the massive organization of the modern nation-state -- the division of labor with its apparent dilution of responsibility, welded to the pervasive notion that academy-trained government "experts" know better than the common folk how society should be organized, and have the right to enforce those plans by force -- to allow Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot to engage in "social engineering" on this scale. Nor were any of these characters stupid, or even uneducated. Pol Pot studied under the best of France's socialist intellectuals. That is what finally must be acknowledged here. These mass murders were an exercise in the gratification of intellectual notions of how best to "improve" society. A letter writer recently commented that it would be absurd to blame Pol Pot's socialist university professors in Paris for what he eventually did. No, it is not. Ideas have consequences. The idea that the wise "social engineers" of government have some right first to conscript our youth into mandatory uniform propaganda camps ("public schools"), then to begin "licensing" our chosen jobs, then to seize huge hunks of our incomes to fund these schemes (higher percentages from the rich, of course, as they seek like Pol Pot to "level things"), and finally to catalog and track our employment as well as our cars, our guns, and our money, will eventually lead by logical and inevitable progression to government deciding -- under the guise of whatever "emergency" proves convenient -- who lives and who dies. What thing did government ever find in its power, and not eventually try? This is what is really being debated, when lonely voices cry out for "less government meddling in our lives," while the statists now in power (yes, including "conservative Republicans") respond, "Sure, sure, We hear you. Less government, right. But first we just need to institute this new nationally standardized drivers license with an electronically scannable fingerprint, and a way to eavesdrop on all your phone calls and e-mail, and a new law to require your bank to report any cash transaction over $2500. "But we'll get around to giving you that smaller, less intrusive government you keep voting for, one of these days real soon. Just as soon as we outlaw eight more kinds of firearms before lunch. After all, private citizens aren't allowed to own firearms, at all, in really (start ital)civilized(end ital) countries like Germany, Russia, China, and Cambodia. Meantime, I'm afraid you'll have to get in line over there to give us your urine sample. ..." But they don't mean for it ever to go as far as it went in Cambodia. Honest. And if some of their armed henchmen (start ital)do(end ital) occasionally get carried away ... well, they can always claim "self-defense," or quibble about the numbers. Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin(a)lvrj.com. The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. The column is syndicated in the United States and Canada via Mountain Media Syndications, P.O. Box 4422, Las Vegas Nev. 89127. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin(a)lvrj.com "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams

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17 Dec '03

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