December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

the usual two sided mouth political free speech
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- the usual two sided mouth political free speech in re: NYTimes letter to the editor, 26 Oct 97 sometimes I wonder if free speech isn't already muffled; the rest of the time I know it is. anytime a politician can get a headline, they will stamp on someone's rights. common sense has been exerminated more effectively than NYC's vermin. I dont like my kids being exposed to that "kind" of material, but I would sure rather it was done in an educational environment (unless it is some faggot teacher then advocating homosexual practice). children will find that "knowledge" one way or the other. You can not condemn "evil" without observing "evil" and making a _personal_ value judgement which should not be reflected in calling for laws for or against. If the adults would stop acting like 6 year olds, and the politicians as 4 year old bullies, our children might get an education. OB Crypto: maybe the teacher should be distributing this material on PGP with individual student keys; the teacher can sort out the Christian Coalition and Orthodox Jews early on and just forget to include their key --end of problem. So there is a valid use for PGP in the schools --of course, the old PGP, not their GAKed sellout. To the Editor: Gov. George E. Pataki's comments regarding Charles Self, the New York City schoolteacher who distributed a sexually explicit poem to his students, were transparently political (news article, Oct. 23). First, the Governor disassociated himself from ruling on the matter ("the appropriate sanction is not something for Albany to decide"), and then jabbed the system that must rule on it ("I think a letter in a file is not good enough"). It would have been better to remain silent. Second-best would have been to remind us of reality: most teachers are competent most of the time. They occasionally make errors in judgment. Mr. Self, reputedly a teacher who motivates his students, made a mistake -- apparently the first in 17 years to be placed on the record. In such matters we ought to set aside the broad political brush and work to rebuild the trusting relationship that teachers so richly deserve to enjoy. The Governor would do well to remember that politicians are currently held in even lower esteem than teachers. GILBERT CASS New Haven, Oct. 24, 1997 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQBVAwUBNFTB07R8UA6T6u61AQHhRQH/SAdMr/RJ6Ix6of7FPxIohxn/oOY2KOsN a09/LtVErCffpMJc0tH4ZYF5aUrBH24CyNVCeIpDQjAYEg+5TH6LLQ== =PM10 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: PGP Employee on MKR
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Harka wrote: >The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument will >last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can survive >without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have kids) > >I.e. unless you are the super-duper, three-times nobel-prize-winner >(with lots of money in stocks), who can AFFORD to choose employers >that freely, you will be DAMN GLAD to have a job AT ALL, regardless >of their policies! Start your own business. It will take sacrifice, but it can be done. It doesn't even need to be in your day-job profession, for that matter -- of the 4 start-ups I've been in, the biggest crash-and-burn was in the computer business (I seem to think mainly like a "practical researcher" rather than a businessperson when it comes to computers...). One of her problems is that teaching is basically a monopoly profession (a fact we are dealing with in our own family) -- there is no second, third etc. public school system as an employer. Another is that she is living in the confines of New York City, although I would think there should be places within 60 miles of her ex-husband where the cost of living should be significantly less. (In the Indianapolis area, she could be buying a house on her income -- maybe through a contract sale by owner rather than through the more common "Realtor" scenario, but buying a house nonetheless.) "Chance favors only the prepared mind", Louis Pasteur once said -- we took advantage of a new local trend 2 years ago, got a guaranteed sale on our large house (2300 sq.ft. with basement), went to a small house (1600 sq.ft. without basement), using the money left over to develop some ground. (All while helping my mother-in-law cope after my father-in-law's death.) There are opportunities out there -- you just have to look for them. They may take a lot of your time (so I advise looking for opportunities that you don't mind or even like exercising at 10pm at night after working a day job and caring for your children), but they do exist. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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DEA trying to subpoena book dealers
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Heard on the radio this morning that a book publisher in Berkeley received a subpoena from the DEA (not from a judge, from a DEA agent...) requesting information on everybody in Arizona who bought their book on marijuana hydroponics. The publisher declined to cooperate, and there was a nice First Amendment riff from the reporter about it. Their name sounded like Ronin Press. A book store in Tempe also received a subpoena for names of everyone who'd bought the book. Cypherpunks relevance? Will web publishers get the same treatment? Will corporations running Corporate Message Recovery get requests for email sent to their sales addresses? How many of them will comply rather than noticing the bogosity of the subpoena? On the other hand, at least with CMR, companies can set decide how much information to keep, and this sort of abuse may encourage them to limit their use of it. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 [I'm currently having hardware problems with my main email; send Cc: billstewart(a)att.com if you need to reach me in a hurry.]

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by orchardshop＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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FCC proposes V-Chip for computers, from Time/Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THE V CHIP, COMING TO A COMPUTER NEAR YOU Time Magazine November 3, 1997 Page 36 If you hated the idea of a V chip in your television, wait until you hear that the government wants to install one in your computer. TIME has learned that the FCC has proposed that new PCs be outfitted with a V chip to filter out video violence and sex. Still unclear is what Net broadcasts could be affected. The idea alarms free-speech advocates, who wonder why Americans need a Net-nanny. "What you get is a devolution of the First Amendment," argues lawyer Bob Corn-Revere. FCC chairman REED HUNDT says the high-tech industry can "be part of the process" as the agency sets rules. There's a low-tech alternative: the off switch. --By Declan McCullagh/Washington ********** For details check out the Netly News (netlynews.com) at: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1528,00.html -Declan

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RE: Orthogonality and Disaster Recovery
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >I'm quite certain that the Security and MIS directors at various companies >asked PGP, Inc. to include message recovery features. Not so much to handle >the very rare (almost nonexistent) cases where a piece of mail sent at some >time in the past has to be recovered because Alice was hit by a truck, or >similiar unlikely events (*), but because Security and MIS folks would like >the option of "monitoring" e-mail traffic. As someone who has witnessed recovering email (the icky task fell to someone else), I can tell you it's not a pretty sight. Employees leave, sometimes under a cloud (sometimes under several tornadoes worth of bad weather), sometimes people are assigned overseas, etc. -- sometimes file recoveries need to be done, which implies that there may have been encryption used on those files. CDR (IMHO) would allow for these kind of recoveries without compromising the security of the data en-route. Personally, I would prefer a CDR system that did _not_ encrypt the stored plaintext, just because that simplifies matters while also preventing use of CDR for GAK, as there are _no_ general organization keys for the government to desire. Nothing prevents the employee from encrypting the "recovery file" anyway, which should be done if the information is "sensitive but unclassified" (like company financial data that should only be viewable by the employees responsible for that data). (This should be done in most companies because any computer kept at the desktop is inherently insecure.) (Handling disk/file encryption keys in a corporate setting is a separate matter.) The ability to recover important documents is what _I_ want as an IS member -- and CMR isn't the best way to do it. (Personally, if IS has time to monitor everyone's email, I think they are *way* overstaffed...) ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Re: Tim's worst nightmare
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Woman in Standoff Shoots at Police > Filed at 10:12 a.m. EST > By The Associated Press > ROBY, Ill. (AP) -- Gunfire rang out again at the home of a > woman involved in a month-long standoff with authorities who > have a court order to bring her in for psychological testing. Just imagine a few hundred (or thousand) people getting together in Roby, Ill., defying the police-ordered half mile ban around her house and sitting down peacefully between her and the police...

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WPI Cryptography Seminar
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: goya.WPI.EDU: christof owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: Christof Paar <christof(a)ece.WPI.EDU> To: ecegraduate(a)ece.WPI.EDU, ma-clipboard(a)wpi.WPI.EDU, DCSB <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu>, ecefaculty(a)ece.WPI.EDU, faculty(a)owl.WPI.EDU, graduate(a)owl.WPI.EDU Subject: WPI Cryptography Seminar MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Christof Paar <christof(a)ece.WPI.EDU> Starting next week, we will again offer an open Cryptography Seminar at WPI. We will meet (mostly) Tuesdays at 4:30. Some of the talks until the end of this year are - Erik DeWin, K.U. Leuven, Belgium: The P1363 IEEE Public-Key Standard. - David Jablon: A new network identification system. - Jens-Peter Kaps, WPI: High-speed implementation of DES on FPGAs. - Christian Cachin, MIT: Unconditionally secure key agreement. - Tobias Lohrenz and Kai Wollenweber, U. Siegen, Germany: Implementation of a key-agile ATM security module. IF YOU WANT TO RECEIVE ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE CRYPTO SEMINAR, please send me a brief reply and I put you on the mailing list. Otherwise you won't here from us again :) Regards, Christof Paar PS: All students in my current or past cryptography courses are automatically on the list; please don't respond. ************************************************************************* Christof Paar http://ee.wpi.edu/People/faculty/cxp.html Assistant Professor email: christof(a)ece.wpi.edu Cryptography Group phone: (508) 831 5061 ECE Department, WPI fax: (508) 831 5491 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA 01609, USA ************************************************************************* For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: [NEW] mixer@htp.org (
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Tsuyoshi Hayashi <take(a)barrier-free.co.jp> writes: > > Please add mixer(a)htp.org, the first public remailer in Japan, > was setup by a member of cypherpunks-j. > > mixer(a)htp.org is probably: > > $remailer{"mixer"} = "<mixer(a)htp.org> cpunk mix pgp"; Congrats for the new remailer and a related question: Are the cypherpunks-e and cypherpunks-j lists now fully included into the list-distribution from and to the other three nodes? (The last thing I can recall was, that there were still some problems with the distribution) Ciao Harka ... "Use a Cipher - Be Free!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFTydTltEBIEF0MBAQE4Igf+L6+JAkmntV4rNalAU63f2nYtxWW0Fvpl EK4IrKyVEAHRsduvanzoTdHlrn46ZIc5lzyUgUcEiBmPxWUyAqNrWAPyWkYGdBkW NlyXzoXrNk/cY4CsU9h9FmrIxW1fCoF6vc5JPm7fCpEweQqwAP4zE5zlCL4U1/Ny /+kYEIH5hhL5L1DHmNNLWVMcdP2JYU8Q1M6mYWf0y92fnCZfPY0mW7G5U5ONJqVR XrUlVMm4PD2TsUXmgKLTSqu24t82fNVgJ3U/bSDQGhA/Hx+B+hwuBvSBSF9XAO4G lUg8dzraUaGOrcChLwVv/ChBueBedxol+vpItsz2FIJE0sPTEpTpIQ== =XGoj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: FCPUNX:puff pieces vs tough crypto issues (Re: Singapore TOILET
by Eli Brandt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: > >From my perch in Washington, I see PGP 5.5/CMR as an existence proof that > key recovery can be done. So far the crypto-advocates have been able to > wave around the Blaze et al white paper that says we don't know how to do > it. Even Dorothy Denning agreed. But now when a mandatory GAK bill goes to > the House floor, all Rep. Solomon etc. have to do is wave around a > shrinkwrapped copy of PGP and say: "I bought this for $19 at the Egghead > shop at 21st and L." Details will be lost in the fearmongering. Key detail lost: what the white paper says is that we don't know how to do it *right*. -- Eli Brandt | eli+(a)cs.cmu.edu | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~eli/

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