December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Why Jodi Hoffman must be called a 'Dumb Cunt' and told to 'Go Fuck Yourself' at all costs, by TruthMonger
by Paul Spirito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Lizard <lizard(a)mrlizard.com>: > >So, allying yourself with people who would gladly force *your* childen to >pray to *their* God doesn't bother you in the least. Fascinating. Her Muse is Fear. She has that in common with her Christian allies. Paul Is this the progression of our lives or merely a comment on them?

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Why Jodi Hoffman.....makes more sense than you think.
by Jodi Hoffman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Lizard <lizard(a)mrlizard.com>: > >So, allying yourself with people who would gladly force *your* childen to pray to *their* God doesn't bother you in the least. Fascinating. =========== Interesting that you should mention this. I, like many other Jews, have finally noticed something about Christians.... Seems they're actually _more_ Jewish than Jews. At least they (Christians) try to follow the Ten Commandments, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most every Jew I've ever known. Most Jews, other than Orthodox, self-identify as atheists and don't even know how to conduct a Passover service! Unless you're Orthodox, being Jewish is a joke. IMHO, claiming to be a Reform or Conservative Jew is the same as being "kind of" pregnant. (bracing for fresh onslaught of anti-Semetic spears to be chucked) -- Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America 1304 SW 160th Avenue, Suite 122 Weston, Florida 33326 Phone: (954) 349-0366 Fax: (954) 349-0361

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maillist
by Carl Beasley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

please include me on the mail list. thank you carl

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Re: Taxing Churches for their views?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

J.F. Christ wrote: > I feel that Tim is correct, in terms of "opinions," but the Christian > political agenda goes beyond 'opinions' and into the realm of political > activism which is regulated by law. > It is a fact that the Moral Majority/Christian Right/Felons For Jesus, > etc., make no bones about using their tax-deductible resources to mount > political campaigns that illegally skirt the rules pertaining to the > direct support of political parties and candidates. So, perhaps the modern-western idea of separation of Church and State is based on an unreasonable optimism that such a thing is possible. Perhaps it's actually more honest to admit that the state will always reflect the religious framework of the rulers, as (I believe) Muslim countries tend to do. Of course, there's no reason to believe that honesty actually determines social structures, and so one might say that it's just more useful to _claim_ that church and state are separated. ::Boots Hug an abortionist today!

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Cypherpunks Web
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Financial Cryptography '98 Final Call for Papers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:23:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: online.offshore.com.ai: list set sender to fc98-request(a)offshore.com.ai using -f Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:18:09 +0100 (MET) From: Ray Hirschfeld <R.Hirschfeld(a)cwi.nl> To: R.Hirschfeld(a)cwi.nl Subject: Financial Cryptography '98 Final Call for Papers Resent-From: fc98(a)offshore.com.ai X-Mailing-List: <fc98(a)offshore.com.ai> archive/latest X-Loop: fc98(a)offshore.com.ai Precedence: list Resent-Sender: fc98-request(a)offshore.com.ai Financial Cryptography '98 Second International Conference February 23-26, 1998, Anguilla, BWI FINAL CALL FOR PAPERS General Information: Financial Cryptography '98 (FC98) is a conference on the security of digital financial transactions. Meetings alternate between the island of Anguilla in the British West Indies and other locations. This second meeting will be held in Anguilla on February 23-26, 1998. FC98 aims to bring together persons involved in both the financial and data security fields to foster cooperation and exchange of ideas. Original papers are solicited on all aspects of financial data security and digital commerce in general, including Anonymous Payments Fungibility Authentication Home Banking Communication Security Identification Conditional Access Implementations Copyright Protection Loss Tolerance Credit/Debit Cards Loyalty Mechanisms Currency Exchange Legal Aspects Digital Cash Micropayments Digital Receipts Network Payments Digital Signatures Privacy Issues Economic Implications Regulatory Issues Electronic Funds Transfer Smart Cards Electronic Purses Standards Electronic Voting Tamper Resistance Electronic Wallets Transferability Instructions for Authors: Send a cover letter and 12 copies of an extended abstract to be received by November 17, 1997 (or postmarked by November 7, 1997 and sent via airmail) to the Program Chair at the address given below. The extended abstract (a short draft of the full paper, typically 10 pages in length) should start with the title, the names of the authors, and an abstract followed by a succinct statement appropriate for a non-specialist reader specifying the subject addressed, its background, the main achievements, and their significance to financial data security. Submissions are limited to 15 single-spaced pages of 12pt type. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent to authors no later than January 12, 1998. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their paper will be presented at the conference. Proceedings: Proceedings of the conference will be published by Springer Verlag in their Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series. Preproceedings will be available at the conference, but final versions will not be due until afterwards, giving authors the opportunity to revise their papers based on presentations and discussions at the meeting. Instructions and deadlines for submission of final papers will be sent later to authors of accepted papers. Rump Session: In addition to the regular conference program, a rump session will be held to provide an opportunity for less formal presentations. Although the rump session will be organized during the conference itself, any advance proposals may be sent to the Program Co-Chair at the email address given below. Rump session contributions will not appear in the conference proceedings. Stipends: A very limited number of stipends may be available to those unable to obtain funding to attend the conference. Students whose papers are accepted and who will present the paper themselves are encouraged to apply if such assistance is needed. Requests for stipends should be addressed to one of the General Chairs. Registration: Information about conference registration and on travel, hotels, and Anguilla itself will follow in a separate general announcement. There are special reduced registration rates for full-time academics and students. Further information about registration is available online via the URL listed below. Workshop: A workshop, intended for anyone with commercial software development experience who wants hands-on familiarity with the issues and technology of financial cryptography, is planned in conjunction with FC98, to be held during the week following the conference. Further information about the workshop is available online via the URL listed below. For information about workshop registration, please contact one of the General Chairs. Special Attraction: On Thursday, February 26, 1998, there will be a total eclipse of the sun. The narrow zone of 100% totality will pass just south of Anguilla, and there should be an excellent view of the eclipse from the conference site. Send Submissions to: Rafael Hirschfeld FC98 Program Chair CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands email: ray(a)cwi.nl phone: +31 20 592 4169 fax: +31 20 592 4199 Send Rump Session Contributions to: Matthew Franklin FC98 Program Co-Chair email: franklin(a)research.att.com Program Committee: Matt Blaze, AT&T Laboratories--Research, Florham Park, NJ, USA Antoon Bosselaers, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Leuven, Belgium Yves Carlier, Bank for International Settlements, Basel, Switzerland Walter Effross, Washington College of Law, American U., Washington DC, USA Matthew Franklin, AT&T Laboratories--Research, Florham Park, NJ, USA Michael Froomkin, U. Miami School of Law, Coral Gables, FL, USA Rafael Hirschfeld, CWI, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Alain Mayer, Bell Laboratories/Lucent Technologies, Murray Hill, NJ, USA Moni Naor, Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel Frank Trotter, Mark Twain Ecash/Mercantile Bank, St. Louis, MO, USA Doug Tygar, Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, USA Moti Yung, CertCo LLC (formerly: Bankers Trust E-Commerce), New York, NY, USA General Chairs: Robert Hettinga, Shipwright, Boston, MA, USA email: rah(a)shipwright.com Vincent Cate, Offshore Information Services, Anguilla, BWI email: vince(a)offshore.com.ai Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager: Julie Rackliffe, Boston, MA, USA email: julie(a)sneaker.net Workshop Leader: Ian Goldberg, Berkeley, CA, USA email: iang(a)cs.berkeley.edu Financial Cryptography '98 is held in cooperation with the International Association for Cryptologic Research. FC98 is sponsored by: RSA Data Security Inc. <http://www.rsa.com> C2NET, Inc. <http://www.c2.net> Hansa Bank & Trust Company Limited, Anguilla <http://www.hansa.net/> Offshore Information Services <http://www.offshore.com.ai/> e$ <http://www.shipwright.com> Those interested in becoming a sponsor of FC98 or in purchasing exhibit space, please contact the Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager. A copy of this call for papers as well as other information about the conference will be available at URL http://www.cwi.nl/conferences/FC98. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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RE: S/MIME
by Ron Craswell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tuesday, November 04, 1997 7:23 AM, William H. Geiger III [SMTP:whgiii@invweb.net] wrote: > > To create an S/MIME compliant application one MUST implement RC2/40 and > one MUST pay RSA to do so!! Just to set things a little straight, RSA posted an internet draft describing the RC2 algorithm (draft-rivest-rc2desc) on June 23 of this year. RSA has maintained trademark rights to the _name_ "RC2" but you're free to implement the algorithm and call it "RC2 compatible" and pay RSA nothing. > This is the BIG difference between S/MIME and Open-PGP. In Open-PGP there > is no MUST to implemnet weak crypto. In Open-PGP there is no MUST to > implement propritary algoritms. The other big difference is that you are comparing something that exists with something that doesn't. In order to level the playing field, let's compare two things that don't exist -- OpenPGP and S/MIME v3. The current intent for S/MIME v3 is that the only MUST algorithm set is DH / El Gamal / 3DES for encryption and DH / DSS for signatures. All free, all strong (in theory <g>). > I think that this should be simple enough for anyone here to understand. I think that this should be simple enough for anyone here to understand. -- Ron Craswell Worldtalk Corp.

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INFO-RUSS: POLITICAL PRISONERS DAY (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Tue Nov 4 20:48:11 1997 Message-Id: <9711042026.AA14816(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk From: info-russ <info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu> To: info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Date: Tus, 4 Nov 1997 14:05:10 +0100 Subject: INFO-RUSS: POLITICAL PRISONERS DAY --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1200+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS assumes no responsibility for the information/views of its users. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Reprinted from RIA-Novosti which adopted it from Rossiiskiye Vesti, October 30 OCTOBER 30: POLITICAL PRISONERS DAY On October 30 Russia marks the Day of Memory of the Victims of Political Persecution Campaigns. We must admit that we lost the fervour with which we denounced the political butchers in the early 1990s, and the sympathy we felt for the victims of the Bolshevik regime. We tend to repeat the phrase which was popular in Brezhnev's time: "Persecution campaigns were evil, but not everything was plain black or white then." Why do we do this? Who is responsible for this drawback of public conscience? Our analyst, Anatoly GUBANOV, discusses this problem with famous scientist and politician Alexander YAKOVLEV, Chairman of the Presidential Commission on the Rehabilitation of the Victims of Political Persecution Campaigns. Question: The attitude to persecution campaigns has changed in society and in some other terms. For example, on October 30 the staff of the State Duma decided to hold celebrations, with a concert and expensive gifts, to be given above all to those who were responsible for the storming of the city hall and the Ostankino TV centre. What kind of day of the victims of the Bolshevik regime is that? Answer: There is nothing new in this. I remember that in Soviet times, when the rehabilitation of the victims of political persecution campaigns was barely launched, acts of crawling sabotage were staged in the Politburo. Question: We are approaching the 80th celebration of the October revolution. What will happen on that day? Answer: Instead of commemorating victims and repenting sins, many people will "celebrate the red-letter day." Why? Because nobody has provided a clear-cut and unambiguous assessment of the past yet. I have spoken about this problem before. I understand that this is difficult to accept, but there was no revolution, not to mention a great socialist one. What happened then? The power was lying on the autumn sidewalk. Nobody governed the country. The army was ruined. The shop shelves were empty and the people held demonstrations and plundered bread and wine shops. A group of Bolsheviks entered the Smolny Palace. Antonov-Ovseyenko arrested the ministers of the Provisional Government. There was no resistance, just as there was no salvo from the Avrora cruiser. Some shots were fired, but only into the ceiling of the Smolny Palace. Later the storming of the palace was presented as something heroic, following the scenario used for the storming of the Bastille, which was not stormed since nobody resisted its occupation. At that time there were only seven prisoners in the Bastille - several crooks, two madmen and one pervert. They were guarded by a group of invalids. Question: Does your commission encounter any difficulties in its work? Can you answer this question honestly? Answer: Honestly? We submitted to the President two draft decrees on the children of the Gulag and activists of socialist and other similar parties, exterminated by the Bolsheviks. They have been shelved. Not long ago I met with Valentin Yumashev, head of the Presidential Administration, and asked him about the fate of these drafts. He showed certain interest in the problem, but it turned out that nobody had reported to him on it. I know that bureaucrats, taking cover behind the idea of accord and reconciliation, are prepared to gladly forget about any crimes of the past. Our bureaucrat is a very interesting person. He trims his sails to the wind: when there is no demand for something, he will do nothing. Besides, a bureaucrat has a natural liking for dictatorship. As a result, we get a terrible thing: dictatorship by bureaucrats. There are also problems with archives. The law is the law, but practical matters are something different. For example, our commission is still waiting for the Office of the Prosecutor General to provide the verdict on the case of Beria. They use different pretexts to bide their time. We will have to translate from English some so-called secret documents, since they have long been sold abroad. 4Russia in Facts and Figures 5 In the first few years after the Bolsheviks came to power, they persecuted peasants who took part in anti-governmental action, workers who went on strikes, Cossacks, members of socialist parties and anarchist organisations, the clergy, and the seamen who took part in the 1921 Kronstadt "revolt." The authorities "neutralised" 16,000 rebel peasants, confiscated about 500 homesteads and burned down 250 peasant houses when crushing the revolt of the Tambov peasants in June 1921. Similar "measures" were taken when the Bolsheviks put out other revolts of peasants, which rocked the Don, Western Siberia, the Volga Region, Karelia and other regions of the country in 1918-22. in 1921 through 1953, the VChK, OGPU, NKVD and MVD agencies persecuted 4,060,306 people for political reasons. Their fate was sealed outside courts. As many as 799,455 were sentenced to capital punishment (shooting). The tidal wave of persecutions swept the country in 1937-38, when 1.3 million were sentenced to hard labour under the notorious Article 58 ("counterrevolutionary crimes"), and more than a half of them (682,000) were shot. At least 40 million were sentenced to different prison terms in 1923-53. As many as 2.6 million languished in prisons in 1950, and another 2.3 million lived in special settlements (data of the late 1940s). Persecution Campaigns in the Countryside Over 500,000 peasants were persecuted in the late 1920s and early 1930s. In 1930-31, a total of 1.8 million members of peasant families were herded into special camps guarded by special garrisons, without the right to leave them. In all, over 1 million peasant homesteads were recognised as belonging to kulaks (well-off peasants) during the collectivisation campaign, and nearly 5 million peasants were sent into exile. Persecution of the Clergy The year 1918 was marked by the execution of 3,000 clergymen. Another 500-odd were shot in 1928, and 2,500 in 1930. As many as 136,900 Orthodox clergymen were persecuted in 1937, 85,300 of whom were shot. In 1938-41, the church lost another 38,900 men, 36,400 of whom were executed. The persecution of the clergy continued well into the 1970s. By 1976, the number of dioceses in the country dropped to 7,038 (there were 48,000 in 1918). In all, about 200,000 clergymen suffered at the hands of Bolsheviks since the 1917 revolution. Persecution of the Military The trial of Tukhachevsky, Yakir and other military leaders in June 1937 marked the beginning of mass persecutions in the army, which affected over 40,000 servicemen. In all, the army was "cleansed" of 45% of commanders who were accused of political disloyalty. Those who had been unfortunate enough to be encircled or taken prisoner during the 1941-45 war, and repatriated Soviet citizens were severely persecuted during the war and in the first few years after it. In all, 994,000 servicemen were persecuted during the war, 157,000 of whom were shot. Ethnic Persecution Campaigns The forceful movement of whole ethnic groups began before the 1941-45 war. Poles, Kurds, Koreans, Buryats and other ethnic groups fell victim to them. Since the mid-1940s to 1961, a total of 3.5 million members of ethnic groups were persecuted. The Germans were forced to leave their homes in the Volga Region, Moscow and Moscow Region and other areas at gunpoint. The Ingush, Chechens, Kalmyks, Crimean Tartars and other ethnic groups were deported. In all, 14 ethnic groups were deported fully, and 48, partially. The slightest signs of anti-governmental sentiments were mercilessly crushed after the war, for example the workers' demonstrations in Novocherkassk in 1962, when the workers protested against price rises and simultaneous cuts in their wages. Dissidents were the main victims of persecution campaigns in the 1960s-1980s. In 1967 through 1971, the KGB "revealed" over 3,000 groups of "politically dangerous nature," with 13,500 members of these groups persecuted. Since the mid-1950s, the KGB widely used psychiatrists to combat dissent. According to the 1986 information, 5,329 dissidents were the inmates of the Kazan, Leningrad, Orel, Sychevka, Chernyakhovsk and Blagoveshchensk psychiatric clinics of the USSR Interior Ministry. The number of "mental cases" in the Leningrad hospital of the Interior Ministry went up from 324 to 1,181 in 1956-86. ========================================================

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Higher Education
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From News of the Weird: * Five third-graders were suspended from school in April in Eaton, Colo., for drug use. Not only were they caught smoking marijuana during recess, but they had rolled the joints using pieces of paper torn from their homework.

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Re: [SURVEY try again] pgp5.x / pgp2.x users
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> ====================================================================== > 1. Are you using pgp5.x? Yeah...you got a problem with that? > If answer to 1 is NO skip to question 4 And if I _don't_? > 2. have you placed your pgp5.x key on the public keyservers? Yeah. They sent it back and told me to fuck off. > 3. Were you using an earlier version of pgp before getting pgp5.x 6.0. I'm from the future. > If answer to 3 is NO skip to 6 Hey, pal. Quit ordering me around! > 4. Is your pgp2.x (or 4.x) key on a public key server Yes, but it's under _your_ name. > 5. What software did you use to put your pgp2.x (or 4.x) key on the > keyserver? Was it pgp5.x, or was it some other software (eg web > browser, emailed key submission etc)? I put it on using their root account. They need better security > 6. How many people do you communicate with using PGP? None, really. I usually just babble incoherently. > 7. Of those how many are using pgp2.x (or pgp4.x) None. Do you think that is maybe why no one ever replies? > 8. and how many are using pgp5.x How the fuck would I know if they never write (Adam) back? > 9. how many of the pgp5.x users had never used PGP before pgp5.x > became available Like, I'm _sleeping_ with everyone I write to? How long till I get to the 'smart' questions? > 10. How many of the people who use pgp2.x (answer to 7) are > cypherpunks? Only the guy in the next cell. > 11. How many of the people who use pgp5.x (answer to 8) are > cypherpunks? Only the ones promoting it in anonymous posts to the list. > ====================================================================== > Thanks for your time. That's more apprecitation than the Warden ever expressed. CellMateMonger

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