December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the Foregone (fwd)]
by Michael Hohensee 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the Foregone (fwd) From: Michael Hohensee <mah248(a)nyu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:30:05 -0500 References: <199811100205.UAA14919(a)einstein.ssz.com> Jim Choate wrote: > > Forwarded message: > > > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:27:14 -0500 > > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > > Subject: Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the Foregone > > (fwd) > > > No, it's that facists & socialists like yourself think we should be > > happy letting you decide what our social responsibilities are. > > Actualy, no. I'm perfectly happy to let you run around paying no taxes on > your income. The part you're not going to like is that I'm also not going to > let you reap one iota of benefit from those systems that are built and > developed by those of us who do pay taxes without a cost. And the cost will > be more than what the necessary taxes would have been. Hell, a free-market > capitalist shouldn't begrudge a tidy profit anyone under any situation. Of course not --if these services were provided in a free market. The problem is, they're currently provided by a monopoly which is willing to initiate force (or threaten to do so) against any competitors. Look at what happened to poor old Lysander Spooner when he started competing with the mail carriers back in the 19th century. This much must be obvious, even to you --after all, we've been telling you this, in different ways, *over* and *over* again. > > I am perfectly willing to pay for a police force. A police force > > that arrests ALLEGED rapists, treats them like human beings until found > > guilty and then deals with them as the law indicates. I am NOT willing to > > pay for a police force that spends most of it's time (well, aside from > > eating doughnuts, drinking coffee and collecting bribes) chasing after > > teenagers with illegal chemicals. I am not willing to pay for a police > > force that extorts money from these same teenagers. I am not willing to pay > > money for a police force that thinks it needs to arrest people for > > "loitering", "Mob Action", when it's defined as more than 4 people standing > > together in a public place, and ESPECIALLY when EVERY TIME THEY ARREST > > SOMEONE, IT'S THROWN OUT OF COURT. > > Neither am I, unfortunately paying taxes or not won't resolve those sorts of > issues. What is required is public over-watch groups (as was recently > implimented in Austin, pisses the cops off big time) and a change in the way > we run our prisons. As to the way people are currently treated prior to > being found guilty at a trial is an abuse of power on the part of those > parties involved and clearly cruel and unusual punishment for an innocent > man. > > Of course the *REAL* problem isn't the police. It's the people who make the > laws that the police are sworn to uphold and the judges with a social agenda > (that is not relevant to their job however much they may squeel like pigs). > That process *is* most certainly an ideal place to inject consideration and > respect for civil liberties and the purvue of government institutions. You again make the argument that everything'd be fine if it weren't for those nasty people who are abusing their offices. Surely you remember the flaw in that argument. If you don't, read my last post. > > > I am willing to pay for fire protection. I am not willing to pay > > for "universal health care", "welfare", and other such nonsense. > > The Constitution happens to mention that the federal government is detailed > with taking care of the general welfare. If you don't like that sort of stuff > then get a Constitutional amendment passed. Gee Jim, you're just as bad as those other statist pricks who like to reinterpret a word's meaning after it's been changed by decades of propaganda. For instance, I very much doubt that "welfare" and "forced charity" were synonymous, back in the late 18th century. > > very angry at having to pay for other shit (Senate Luncheons and Swimming > > Pools, the Militaries greatly inflated budget, all the waste that is todays > > federal government). > > Agreed. Throwing the Constitution away won't fix that and going to a > free-market monopolistic no-social-responsibility-at-all system such as > anarcho-capitalism is sure won't do it. You still haven't given any solid arguments as to why this is the case. You still ignore what we've been telling you and persist in believeing that all anarcho-capitalists are socially irresponsible at heart. (Even when the only apparent difference between me and you is that I'm not willing to point a gun at another person, or have it pointed for me, to make him perform his "social responsibility" to give me his property for one reason or another.) > > Yes, but a state can kill those who don't wish to be governed. Can > > and does routinely. > > Oh what hyperbole. You make it sound like the Nazi's have invaded. They > haven't. Really? The parallels we've seen recently have been striking. > Yes, there are misguided people out there. Yes, there are just > plain old corrupt people out there. That won't change irrespective of the > political system (or lack of one). You were correct right up until the open-parens. > They don't just go out and pick people > off the street and shoot them you're over-reacting and succumbing to a > paranoid delusion of persecution. Oh no, they haven't started doing that *yet* (as far as I know, anyway). They're steadily moving in that direction, however. > Unless you kill somebody or move a few tons of coke your individual chances > of being killed by the state is less than being struck by lightening. What's wrong with moving a few tons of coke? Who is harmed by coke who does not wish to be? > > But did you bother to read them this time? > > Actualy I read it twice before I even decide if I'm going to reply. > That would explain your responses. You read them so fast that all you see are little hooks for you to tack on your pre-recorded statist rants to, while your mind skims smoothly over those arguments which don't conform to your preconcieved notions. Michael Hohensee

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an odd one at pub.anonymizer
by Quirk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--mark-- -hedges- reviews http://pub.anonymizer.com/~lcchrist The National Socialist Church of Christ espouses a turning away from the old era figuring Hitler and the current Destruction of the Earth Part II as the antichrist ending the cycle of Pisces. In the next phase of polar angular orientation we will understand each other, the universe, and grow into what we can be, because we figure out that otherwise we'll kill us all. They demand spiritual revolution. Therefore they demand obscene gestures and French Soltiers flipping dead cows with catapults at the Brits looking for the Holy Grail. They are not centric on any ism but expand their inclusiveness of what is sacred: the universe. Here I would speak of Godel and the beauty of the semi-organised chaos / order / balance / contrast forms inherent in the universe. In their site the message remains that Destruction is a necessary force in the world from time to time. That induces a feeling of condonence, not condolences. The site plays some interesting games with a lot of very uplifting philosophy for the understanding of the Holocaust and the genocide which occurs today, but then, using Biblical reference and passive-voice claims to the legitimacy of prophecy, it portrays Jesus risen again as Hitler: "Christ had warned us that when He would return, He would come as a thief in the night. Indeed, it had been prophesied that no man would know the day or the hour of His return. Indeed, no one could ever have expected that the Second Coming of Christ would mean His return to play the completely opposite role that He had played before, coming not to save the world, but to be its judge, baptizing not with water but rather with fire and force! The Second Coming of Christ came in such a completely unexpected fashion that mankind remained completely unconscious of His return and the fulfillment of Christian prophesy for more than fifty years!" The speaker is anonymous and does not provide the contact address.

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ANNOUNCEMENT: RPK SECURITY ADDS C SOURCE LIBRARY AND SOLARIS PORT TO ENCRYPTONITE POWERFUL PUBLIC KEY ENCRYPTION TOOLKIT
by Jack Oswald / CEO / RPK Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Papers and tutorials on ECC.
by rsriram＠krdl.org.sg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FYI: There are some good tutorials and papers on ECC at http://www.certicom.com/ecc

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Re: Child-Molesting Forger's Chilling Confession!!!1!
by Pramote J. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Encrypted_Message=On 4 May 1998 02:57:07 GMT, in article <6ijaq3$bb1(a)news1.panix.com>, <The(a)NSA.sucks> Information Security (= Guy Polis <guy(a)panix.com>) wrote: # Guy Polis (guy(a)panix.com, eviljay(a)bway.net) is a pedophile child # molester who was fired from his consulting position at Salomon Brothers # after he was caught masturbating in his cubicle at the child pornography # JPEGs that he downloaded from the Internet. The poster's been awful quiet lately - did the feds arrest him? Browser=Netscape:Mozilla/3.04Gold (Win95; I) Remedy=Tell the world

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Re: Child-Molesting Forger's Chilling Confession!!!1!
by Pramote J. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Encrypted_Message=On 4 May 1998 02:57:07 GMT, in article <6ijaq3$bb1(a)news1.panix.com>, <The(a)NSA.sucks> Information Security (= Guy Polis <guy(a)panix.com>) wrote: # Guy Polis (guy(a)panix.com, eviljay(a)bway.net) is a pedophile child # molester who was fired from his consulting position at Salomon Brothers # after he was caught masturbating in his cubicle at the child pornography # JPEGs that he downloaded from the Internet. The poster's been awful quiet lately - did the feds arrest him? Browser=Netscape:Mozilla/3.04Gold (Win95; I) Remedy=Tell the world

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Re: Child-Molesting Forger's Chilling Confession!!!1!
by Pramote J. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Encrypted_Message=On 4 May 1998 02:57:07 GMT, in article <6ijaq3$bb1(a)news1.panix.com>, <The(a)NSA.sucks> Information Security (= Guy Polis <guy(a)panix.com>) wrote: # Guy Polis (guy(a)panix.com, eviljay(a)bway.net) is a pedophile child # molester who was fired from his consulting position at Salomon Brothers # after he was caught masturbating in his cubicle at the child pornography # JPEGs that he downloaded from the Internet. The poster's been awful quiet lately - did the feds arrest him? Browser=Netscape:Mozilla/3.04Gold (Win95; I) Remedy=Tell the world

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Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the Foregone(fwd)
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been lurking on this thread for a while, and I am amazed by the level of utopist muck that is being spewed here by you. Without some government the Bad Guys will be the only ones with anything. It is only with the threat of losing their power that leaders do good. If they had no power which could be lost or taken they will always do what's best for them in the short term, which is usually to shit on the peons. Dictators (like Pinochet and Gates) do their dirty deeds because they feel no need to placate the masses. This anarcho-capitalist spew is so much crap that the bullshit indicators are blaring at top volume. If the people can't control a constitutional government, known for having peacefully free elections for over two hundred years, then how the hell do think you can convince somebody that the people are going to be able to control warlords and monopolies. It's called, "You don't like it? Bang, Bang, you're dead!" Try to lift yourself out of the bullshit of your theory and give us at least one REAL example (current or historic) of a large scale, long lasting anarcho-capitalist society. Hippie communes are too small, and make sure it's capitalistic. If you can't think of one in the next year or so then come back and tell us.

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Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:18:44 +0100 > From: "Albert P. Franco, II" <apf2(a)apf2.com> > Subject: Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the > Foregone(fwd) > Try to lift yourself out of the bullshit of your theory and give us at > least one REAL example (current or historic) of a large scale, long lasting > anarcho-capitalist society. Hippie communes are too small, and make sure > it's capitalistic. If you can't think of one in the next year or so then > come back and tell us. And I've something to add. Any person who mentions Iceland as a workable anarchy is in deep trouble. I done the research and it doesn't fly as a workable example *unless* you're willing to legalize murder which is *EXACTLY* what the Icelanders did. It didn't work for them long-term and it won't work for us either. So if you want to use it you've got to explain why legalizing murder is a social positive. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CALEA likely will cover Internet telephony
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:30:19 -0500 >To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu >From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> >Subject: Wiretapping law likely will cover Internet telephony > >[Any blame should not properly go to the FCC but Congress, which voted for Digital Telephony/CALEA in the first place. --Declan] > >=== > >http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16146.html > > Wiretapping Internet Phone Lines > by Declan McCullagh > > 4:00 a.m. 10.Nov.98.PST > A federal wiretapping law designed to let > police snoop on telephone calls could > have profound implications for companies > that offer Internet phone service. > > [...] > > >

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