December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > This is bogus reasoning. If the API is released there is > *more* motivation for the original distributor to keep > backward compatibility and bug-free. Duh, I never said otherwise. More motivation and more cost. Sometimes (more often than not) it takes a couple drafts and re-writes before things are the way they ought to be. APIs will often progress from private to public as an evolution from immaturity to maturity, disorganization to organization, ad hoc hack to flexible functionality, custom purpose to generic usefulness. You evidently completely missed that point. > You want quality code that is bullet-proof then release the > API and let the fittest survive. Which is fine unless you are liable to support the inferior. > If you release the API you'll find those midnight hacks > go away, *not* increase as you seem to be claiming. Midnight hacks will never go away. But again, you missed my point. I stated many APIs start out as midnight hacks. > Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and > popular as Linux. Let's not start OS wars. Each to their own, OSs are tools not religions. > Free-market *requires* fair competition By whose misguided definition? Free market required freedom (freedom requires absence of coercive force), nothing else. Freedom is about actions (motion), not static states (past/present/future), and so is Competition. Id est, competition includes potential competition, a free capital market guarantees potential competition, only force [regulation] can hinder that. > it means there are no outside regulations applied. > It says *nothing* about internal regulation applied > by either the producer or the consumer. "Regulation" generally = political power (= force). Whether than is externally applied or internally applied under the threat of external force makes no difference. When the politicos talk about wanting deregulation and industry self-regulation, what they really mean is they want industry to bow to their whim under threat of their arbitrary power. Such actions then avoid the scrutiny and protections theoretically provided by the political/legal system. The only legitimate force is economic -- the decision to purchase or not to purchase, or to purchase a competing or alternative product. Economic force is not a regulator of the free market, it is its heart and soul, the essence of the free market. Economic force requires absence of political force to truly work properly. > If you are seriously saying that the only workable market > scheme is to let people cheat and steal from others > (which is what poorly written and unreliable code does) How so? You have a choice to consume or not to consume, there is no act of coercive force, I cannot steal from you without it. Cheat I may, a fool and his money are easily parted. Civil liability and reputation naturally regulate such things, no govt. regulation necessary. [And you say, but wait, civil liability requires govt. regulation -- it does now but it need not, free market legal systems can provide such with reputation instead of guns as its basis] > Malarky. Microsoft has so many hidden, undocumented, > incomplete API's it isn't even funny. Did I say they did not? I've worked at Microsoft, I not only know that but I know why (and it's no conspiracy, chaos is more like it). They also have good many published APIs, and at the application layer they are way ahead of most other vendors. At the OS layer I think open source will win out, so you are preaching to the choir. Open source will prevail if it makes economic (business) sense, all other reasons are corollary. Regulation will destroy the free market that could make open source viable. "There is a fantasy that open source and capitalism are incompatible," Allman said. That misconception was at the center of the decision to drop the "freeware" moniker in favor of "open source." As Allman and others explained, open source is a model for doing business, for making money. (source: http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=3564b5500) Matt

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Democracy...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(fwd) Echelon
by Mok-Kong Shen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following article came from Duncan Campbell <duncan(a)gn.apc.org> through a mailing list: __________________________________ 21/9/98 The debate about ECHELON - last week in the European Parliament - has again highlighted the role of the NSA station at Menwith Hill, Yorkshire. The report prepared earlier this year for the STOA (Scientific and Technical Options Assessment) of the European Parliament resulted in widespread coverage in Europe and the US. We have recently made a new batch of copies of the 1993 Dispatches documentary on Menwith Hill - "The Hill" - based on revelations based on NSA documents obtained by women peace protesters at the Hill. It also covers ECHELON and other NSA activities in the UK. Tapes (45 mins) can be ordered from : Ian Hide IPTV Ltd 1 Meadowbank Edinburgh EH8 8JE At £10.95 including postage. I will e-mail trancripts of the programme free of charge to anyone requesting it. Duncan Campbell

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hoodwinking congress
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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IP: 1998 FBI WISH LIST - Unlimited Wiretaps!
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[Fwd: EECS Colloquium Monday Oct 5]
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:28:45 -0400 From: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)reservoir.com> Organization: Reservoir Labs, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: [Fwd: EECS Colloquium Monday Oct 5] Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)reservoir.com> Status: U Return-Path: <elias(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu> Received: from LCS.MIT.EDU (mintaka.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.36]) by deer-park.reservoir.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16438 for <lethin(a)etcons.com>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theory.lcs.mit.edu by MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU id aa29635; 30 Sep 98 11:30 EDT Received: from osprey.lcs.mit.edu by theory.lcs.mit.edu (5.65c/TOC-1.2S) id AA03777; Wed, 30 Sep 98 11:29:45 EDT From: elias(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu (Peter Elias) Received: by osprey.lcs.mit.edu (5.65c/TOC-1.2C) id AA00821; Wed, 30 Sep 98 11:29:47 EDT Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 11:29:47 EDT Message-Id: <199809301529.AA00821(a)osprey.lcs.mit.edu> To: eecsfaculty(a)eecs.mit.edu, seminars(a)lcs.mit.edu, ai-tech-sq(a)ai.mit.edu, joanne(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu, sgreen(a)ll.mit.edu, jsweeney(a)draper.com, kaths(a)lids.mit.edu, jc(a)cs.brandeis.edu, texasgal(a)mit.edu, bru(a)media.mit.edu, arthurs(a)mit.edu, dougross(a)mit.edu, finn(a)lids.mit.edu, roger(a)ipswitch.com Subject: EECS Colloquium Monday Oct 5 Appended is the notice of an EECS Colloquium by Radia Perleman, on Monday Oct. 5. Please post and/or forward as appropriate. Peter Elias ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MIT-EECS 1998 Fall Semester Colloquium Series How to Misuse Good Cryptography And Create Insecure Network Protocols Radia Perlman Boston Center for Networking SUN Microsystems ABSTRACT A common misconception is that security flaws involve abstruse mathematical weaknesses in cryptographic algorithms. While it is possible to have weak cryptographic algorithms, the world does not need insecure cryptographic systems in order to design, build, and deploy insecure network protocols. This talk discusses example mistakes people have made when designing or implementing network protocols. Examples include an e-mail standard that allowed forging of signatures, a public key scheme less secure than a secret key scheme, a system that thought encryption implied integrity protection, and public key chain rules that are unworkable in practice. October 5, 1998 4-5 pm Edgerton Hall, 34-101 (50 Vassar St) Refreshments at 3:45 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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17 Dec '03

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