December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: ASL: RE: RE: RE: Copyright infringement (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Um, actualy not. It is actualy illegal for me to allow you to > borrow my books, CD's, albums, etc. Uh, how so? Distribution copyright covers first-sale only, after that the owner can lend or sell that item. If it were not for this, public and private libraries could not exist. This works for IP protected in tangible form, but falls down for electronic IP. Software is not protected by distribution copyright, it is instead licensed. Matt

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Re: toto
by Alia Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan, I did look up your stuff on the internet and thanks. I'm writing to let you know that as of yesterday it has been 14 days since the court (Judge Fior) ordered CJ moved to a psychiatric facility and they still have not moved him. No one has heard from him for a few days. I talked to him last week and he was okay but going through some hard times. Bogart, the lawyer in Tucson, if he does not hear about CJ's move by romorrow will request a hearing demanding what is going on. But the prison is not cooperative in communicating even with him. Cj has apparently not got it together to put me on the visitors list but he seems not to have got my mail with my SS # etc. that the prison requires in order to let visitors come. Then they spend ten days establishing that you're not a criminal. Jesus. Any the lawyer does think that he will be moved to Springfield. The family is in terror that he will disappear into there or be committed for a long time or for life. I have asked his Texas lawyer Dowling, just today, whether we can retain him to represent Cj's interest with respect to what is happening with the psychiatric evaluation, and haven't heard back from him yet. I am writing to ask you to help me: will you point me to information on Springfield, its reputation, rules, accessibility of information on how patients/inmates are being treated, etc.? Any information you can help me locate would be very welcome. Thanks. Alia J P.S. I saw the request for a picture/cd of music, whatever, I'll look. Here are a couple of his porno country/western song titles: "turning good girls bad, most fun I ever had." "I'll give you my heart, but my dick belongs to mama." "there's no niggers left in Oakland, and all myh lies are true." C.J. also wrote some absolutely beautiful lyric songs, and of course his classic "Jesus Lives in Garberville" about a dope raid on the long-haired barefoot blissed-out guy living on the land.... What's your mailing address? And thanks again for your help, and for contacting CJ. He was happy to hear that we had talked. But I think he's not getting all his mail. Alia On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Declan McCullagh wrote: > I'd also be interested in seeing a copy of the RCMP page, on his old > sympatico.ca/carljohn account. > > -Declan > > > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, John Young wrote: > > > I tried today to speak to Toto's attorney in Tucson, John Bogart > > (520-624-8196), and another in Texas supposedly involved, > > Larry Dowling (512-892-3393), but neither returned messages. > > Bogart's secretary later said he did not want to talk -- to me at least. > > > > Next, I called the jail (520-868-3668) to get it's policy on > > contacting Toto. No incoming calls, he can call out. Mail to > > him okay: > > > > Carl Edward Johnson > > Inmate Number 05 98 7196 > > CCA > > 1155 North Dinal Parkway > > Florence, AZ 85232 > > > > Other reports, leads or news welcome. Anybody got a photo, > > a CD of his music or hallelujahs? A mirror of his RCMP taunt? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Forwarded mail....
by AIMSX＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I truly hope you don't stereotype all AOL users for this idiot's insane ramblings. Unfortunately, some people are just morons, but you get them on every ISP anyway, they just aren't so obvious on others, because unfortunately, AOL makes it easier to communicate.

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Release: Constitution Museum
by announce＠lp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ======================================= NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 ======================================= For release: September 9, 1998 ======================================= For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: 76214.3676(a)Compuserve.com ======================================= Forget ignorant teenagers: Let's send politicians to the Constitution Museum WASHINGTON, DC -- Philadelphia Mayor Ed Rendell's plan to build a museum dedicated to the Constitution should be approved, the Libertarian Party says -- provided that every Congressman and Senator is required to take classes there. "Educating ordinary Americans about freedom and individual rights is important, but educating politicians is absolutely essential -- because only they have the power to write laws that threaten your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness," said Ron Crickenberger, national director of the Libertarian Party. Crickenberger's comments came in response to Rendell's request to the Senate Appropriations Committee last week for $65 million to pay half the cost of a museum designed to educate Americans about the Constitution. To buttress his argument that Americans are "ignorant about government," Rendell cited a survey of 600 teenagers showing that more of them could name the Three Stooges (59%) than could name the three branches of government (41%), and that while 74% could name the city where cartoon character Bart Simpson lives (Springfield), just 12% know where Abraham Lincoln lived (Springfield). Building the museum in Philadelphia, Rendell said, would help reverse "the tide of ignorance" that is "absolutely critical to the health of our democracy." Crickenberger countered: "First we need to reverse the tide of ignorance in Congress. After all, in just the last two years, these politicians have violated the First Amendment by trying to censor the Internet, flouted the Second Amendment by passing the Lautenberg gun-control law, and made a mockery of the Fifth Amendment by quietly creating a massive federal database of every employee in America, mandating fingerprints for drivers licenses, and imposing a national ID card. "Politicians who habitually violate the Constitution themselves have no business lecturing ordinary Americans on this subject. Instead, they should practice what they preach -- and be the first ones in line when the National Center on the Constitution opens in Philadelphia. "And instead of hitting up taxpayers for $65 million, members of Congress should pay for it out of their own pockets, or by abolishing some of the unconstitutional agencies they have created," Crickenberger said. For example, he noted, the Pennsylvania delegation could urge Congress to come up with the money by: * Knocking out every unconstitutional pork-barrel project that Rep. Bud Shuster quietly inserted into the $217 billion highway bill that Congress passed in March, such as $800,000 to renovate a historic train station at Gettysburg and $500,000 for a study on sidewalks at the Kennedy Center. * Trimming the $65 billion corporate welfare budget by one-tenth of one percent. * Earmarking just 25% of the paycheck of every Senator and Congressional representative -- and every Capitol Hill staffer making over $100,000 -- for a single session of Congress. * Eliminating just one of the hundreds of unconstitutional federal agencies Congress has created, such as the National Endowment for the Arts, which has a budget of $100 million a year. Then, after attending classes at this museum, members of Congress should have one other requirement, said Crickenberger. "Before graduating from their class on the Constitution, these politicians should be required to prove their knowledge by repealing every unconstitutional law they ever passed," he said. "That's the best way to set an example for American teenagers -- and it doesn't require building another museum in Philadelphia." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNfbSuNCSe1KnQG7RAQE8gAQAvrV8hv96Yfkrz7gOvLXEHtu0aY9zxZ1E wILr9VVw1u2lLig6C/9V8gt1Feio7iCuRvTdG3FI9I9JTvT/Y/QdzLajkNrbHb+V Oa8YTGgTfVAhpF3MX5M6SHiBua5dsYZtUZ5wLnpTE4oiWSI04hrD612Jf+0CZTCH JbaOzaW7wnw= =xN7R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ 2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008 Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072 For subscription changes, please mail to <announce-request(a)lp.org> with the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the subject line -- or use the WWW form.

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ANNOUNCE: Bay Area Cypherpunks, Sat. Sept. 12, 12-6, KPMG Mountain View
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Septembre Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be Saturday from 12-6, at KPMG, 500 E. Middlefield Rd., Mountain View, with the organized part beginning at 1:00. IPSEC - Hugh Daniel will talk about the latest IPSEC Free/SWAN work Crypto 98 - Various people will talk about what they saw at the conference. Dinner after the meeting will be at some restaurant on Castro St. Mtn.View. Directions: KPMG is a relatively-unmarked building at the corner of Middlefield Rd. and Ellis St. in Mountain View, surrounded by Netscape. The lobby entrance is on the Ellis St. side. The Ellis exit on 101 is between 85 and 237. http://www.mapblast.com/mapblast/blast.hm?CMD=MAP&GC=X%3A-122.05265%7CY%3A3… Probable speaker for October - Sue Bardakos from Entrust ----------- Mailing list administrivia - this announcement has been sent to cypherpunks(a)algebra.com cypherpunks-announce(a)toad.com coderpunks(a)toad.com cryptography(a)c2.net If you want to get off one of the lists, send mail to listname-request(a)machine.domain (probably majordomo!) for the listserver that sent you the mail. ----------- Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Cypherpunks as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Tim May wrote: > Could our group be charged as a "continuing criminal enterprise" under the > RICO statute? Probably. Under RICO and associated laws they can get anyone for anything. Well, except Komrade Klinton. > > It occurs to me that if Carl Johnson, who is linked several times to our > group/list in the court documents, is successfully prosecuted,then the Feds > may be able to cite both Bell and Johnson as evidence of a conspiracy. > > Which probably wouldn't be too hard to prove, as many of us have admitted > to conspiring mightily to undermine various institutions. (And we even use > encypted e-mail, the very essence of a secret conspiracy.) > > It might be fun to see them try this. Would they charge some of us as > ringleaders? Or would they declare the entity itself an illegal > organization? (As they have done with various cultural, political, and even > religous groups, like Hezbollah, the Aum religion, etc.) > > Interesting times. Quite. One partial solution I see is to rewrite premail in C so it runs at a respectable speed[1], fix some of the bugs[2], integrate it with more mailers, and then encourage everybody to subscribe through nyms. I'd love to see them try to prosecute users at nym.alias.net by presenting a court order to Community Connexion in Oakland. ;) [1] Yes, it's really slow on slower machines. [2] One of the most obvious is when Premail sends out 3 copies of a message for a 2 remailer chain, 9 copies for a 3 remailer chain, something like 27 for a 4 remailer chain, and so on. If nothing else, that's a security hole which allows people to know how many warrants they will need.

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tickling the cheshire cat
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

let's see, the banks other than the select few bankers' banks and the Rockefeller-Rothschild central bank cartels are out 'n' billion, but that only represents an infinitesimal fraction of the middle class loss since it's paper to the banks, but life savings to the middle class. Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Korea --the pet tigers of the US-Brit money cartels all propped up, but actually setup by the IMF and their rules which destroy their infrastructure in favour of the cartel. suckers one, suckers all. Japan started it all with their economic isolation, multi-level cronyism, state sponsored economic terror, and scientific cannibalism. Japan sits on 50% crony-deals and the banks are falling like dominoes, but Japan today is Japan for centuries; they wont take their medicine. The Arabs are in hock up to their headbands and real income in Saudi Arabia has fallen from 14,000 in 1991 to less than 4,000 today... but, now they wont fight each other as they found the common unifier as the Tomahawk IIs crashed into Sudan and Afghanistan. Italy, France, and even Germany cooked their books to make the Masstricht and Germany suffers from 13% unemployment; the EC can not afford their socialism and Kohl will need a new dinner table. Russia caves in after the mob bilked the international money market for over $500 billion! the summit of the doomed: pairing a demented, addled drunk with a moral bankrupt went Saturday Night Live... and the only two economies which have been able to maintain their standard of living are watching... meanwhile, Rubin cooks the books, steals the Social Security Administration's kitty for unfunded IOUs. the export of money grows and grows and grows --to China, whose state planned economy is as crony booked as Japan and China is preoccupied with learning to swim. Clinton thinks he can apologize for anything and Blair is playing cards in the back room. Ambrose came back to Washington to wait for the kill. forget the report to Congress, give the backup material the fraudulent duo buried in 100 graves to hollyweird --they wont need new plots for years. follow the money... dont worry about value; it's only relevant. attila out... tickling the chesire cat.

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Revenge of the AOLHoles
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 AIMSX(a)aol.com wrote: > > I truly hope you don't stereotype all AOL users for this idiot's insane > ramblings. > Unfortunately, some people are just morons, but you get them on every ISP > anyway, they just aren't so obvious on others, because unfortunately, AOL > makes it easier to communicate. AOL makes it easier to communicate. This has the intended side effect of attracting every moron with a home computer. Thus, AOL has a disproportionate number of morons. They get what they ask for. The problem is that most of the AOL users who publish to the net seem to be morons. They use some annoying Russo-Germanic quoting style, they can't use English, they're clueless, they post off-topic, or something else. Examples of AOL catering to morons: 1) "AOL is the Internet!" 2) Using the fact that their software *says* "You have mail!" as a selling point. 3) They use a platform-specific client package. Further, "AOL is the Internet," therefore AOL-specific conferences and newsgroups must be "on the Internet" or "on the net" *and are advertised that way*. Uhh... 4) They make no effort to educate their lamers...err, users. 5) They send out tons of "free trial" disks, trying to snare every idiot they can find. 6) They make their service as easy to use as possible, which is fine, except that it attracts people who don't have the mental capacity to use it when they venture outside of AOL. Witness the drek they pour onto the Cypherpunks list. I'm sure Mr. May could expand on this with a few dozen additional points, if not a few hundred. Now maybe this stuff is good marketting practice, but it's a lousy way to serve the community which gives them life. It's the equivelent of a swim coach bringing his students to a public pool and instructing them to release their bowels whenever they feel the urge. If you use a site which caters to morons, expect to get treated like one, especially if said site celebrates the fact that they're defecating in the pool. They've earned the stereotype that they have. While we're at it, maybe some of the statistics-types out there can analyze the archives for, say, the last month. Remove postings, if any, which are routed through an anonymous remailer at AOL. Then remove random or systematic spam (ex: the New York Times, that Javascript "child-molester" exploit). Then compare the number of clueless postings to Cypherpunks by AOL users to the number of useful and on-topic postings to Cypherpunks by AOL users, and compare that ratio against other ISPs. When determining clueless postings, include postings which use Russo-Germanic ("<< >>") quoting, or which are completely off-topic (ex: "how u do that"). Count postings which are clueless but were originally from another site and got forwarded here as originating from the original site. Maybe repeat for Juno and Hotmail. Exclude flames and subsequent discussions concerning these clueless postings (ex: don't include AIMSX's response or this response in either category). Then again, there probably isn't any need.

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Mercury-News article tries to link crypto export, Africa bombings
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Standard four-horsemen stuff; see <http://www.mercurycenter.com/business/top/066595.htm>. I couldn't find any actual connection between the Africa bombings and crypto (or crypto export), but the FBI and their pet congresspeople are much too smart to get bogged down in a discussion of actual facts. -- Greg Broiles |History teaches that 'Trust us' gbroiles(a)netbox.com |is no guarantee of due process. |_Kasler v. Lundgren_, 98 CDOS 1581 |(March 4, 1998)

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