December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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Just who should Kenneth Starr work for next?
by Jim Burnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Pat Cain wrote: > Folks - > > Allegedly a Reuters story, from sources unknown (too many forwards to give > proper credit). > > pjc > > ===================================================== > Flynt offers Starr job as porno aide > Pretty amusing. After Billy has resigned/been impeached he could star in porno movies that Flynt produces -- maybe use the proceeds to pay the taxpayer back for all the wasted time and money. The real problem with all this is that Star was forced to reveal exactly what acts took place because Clinton insisted on defining the minutia of what constituted "sexual relations" -- thus revealing whether he did or didn't conform to that definition was mandatory. The question of perjury balances on these facts. Any adult with half a brain knows that sexual relations are relations that are sexual in nature. A reasonable man/woman (especially wives of the adulterer in question) would consider oral sex sexual relations. But that is beside the point. Billy C is being hoist on his own petard. The fishing expedition discovery process allowed by sexual harrasment suits were an invention of NOW (and the club of socialist lawyers that Mr Clinton clearly is a member of.) By any stretch of the imagination Clinton has either perjured himself in his civil deposition (a felony offense), perjured himself before a federal grand jury (an even more serious felony offense), obstructed justice or all three. Of course the whole thing could have been avoided if Clinton had simply told the truth during the deposition and to the American people. (Actually it could have been avoided if Mr. Clinton had not made a habit of making his private life a matter of public record). Now Clinton has put either himself or the Republic in a very precarious situtation. (1) Either the perjury and obstruction of justice laws apply equally to everyone, or they apply to no one. If the judicial system fails to enforce these laws they set an example. Next time someone is under oath they can decide what they can and can't lie about. They can decide that "alone" means something other than what a reasonable man would agree with. They can decide to deceive the judge and jury if the prosecution is hostile (as if the prosecution is ever anything but). They can give testimony before a federal grand jury over a closed circuit video feed so that they are free to refuse to answer questions without chance of being held in contempt and jailed. (2) Admit that he lied under oath and open himself up to prosecution (and definite impeachment). (3) Resign and save (a) the Democratic Party (b) tax payers dollars (c) his own skin (4) Refuse (2) and (3) and trash the democratic party in the elections, waste huge amounts of taxpayer dollars and jeopardize the institution of the presidency and the legal system. (whats left of them ;-) And before all the dems on this list bitch that I'm just being partisan and just "let the man get on with his job" -- let me state that telling the people the truth *is* part of "his job". (and I'm neither a democrat or a republican -- not that there is much differnce anymore) We all laugh at and belittle politicians for lying to us when "their mouths are moving", but when they move those mouths under oath they are held to a high legal standard. Would you prefer this standard not apply when taking the oath of office? Would you countenance a politician who, appearing as a witness in a murder case, lied about who he had seen stabbing whom? Part of the oath of office swears out the fact that they will faithfully execute the laws of the land. Is this another sworn oath we could write off as the "trappings" of the republic? More importantly, as Noam Chomsky points out in "Manufacturing Consent", lying politicians are the modern democratic equivalent of feudal tyrants beating or executing citizens in more "uncivilized times". When the king decided to supress the power of the citizens he simply beat, killed or imprisoned them. When modern politicos want to relieve people of power they lie to them straightfaced, then do whatever they choose. The more slick they are, the less the people even know whats being done to them -- and the more dangerous they are. They become tools of force for those who wish to buy them. The velvet glove over the iron fist. In this Heinlein is dead right -- democracy is force. If anyone could watch the clinton testimony on video tape and not believe that he is a congenital liar then you are deluding yourself. And as for getting on with the business of government that most "liberals" hope for: education, welfare, more money for more people -- maybe they ought to start thinking more about what is being done *to* them than *for* them. "When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." President Bill Clinton, MTV's "Enough is Enough" 3-22-94 (*gulp*, the Founders are rolling in their graves like blenders on frappe. The true colors of a "communitarian") In any case, since I'm neither Demoblican or RepublicRat I see the whole issue like a bystander at the crash of the Hindenberg. The first flames are breaking out on top and you know that the thing is made of hydrogen and flammable materials. The conflagration is not going to go out until the fuel is exausted. Between Lewinsky, TravelGate, FBIFileGate, DonationGate, Whitewater, Elections, Satellite News and the Internet thats a hell of a lot of fuel. Add Y2K to the fire and you just know the thing is going to burn to a cinder as it grounds out. "Oh, the humanity" Being of libertarian disposition I'm no fan of the nature of sexual harrasment proceedings, but if you are the chief executive of those laws then you must also live by them or risk undermining the very underpinnings of the legal system. If you want to be the banker in the game of Monopoly, don't complain that you don't like the rules when someone catches you cheating. (i know the original post was intended humoursly, but I'm so tired of the prevarication, deceit, etc I had to put a word or two in ;-) taking a deep breath, jim burnes "Libery cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have .. a desire to know; .. that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge. I mean of the characters and conduct of their rulers." -- John Adams A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law [1765]

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:43:34 -0400 "Edwin E. Smith" <edsmith(a)IntNet.net> writes: > > > >If you have Microsoft Word (6.0 or later), and have a thesaurus >installed, do the following: > >1) Open a new, blank document. >2) Type in the words: I'd like to see Bill Clinton resign. >3) Highlight the entire sentence. >4) Click on the tools menu and select thesaurus (tools, language, > thesaurus) > >Look what is immediately highlighted in the selection box. > This was almost funny. Too bad the following sentences also work: I'd like to drink frog urine I'd like to hug large, purple dinosaurs I'd like to cook onions with garlic and tomatoes I'd like to strangle you with a mouse cable

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Re: IP: National ID
by pnet＠proliberty.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Larry Becraft <becraft(a)hiwaay.net> >Subject: IP: National ID >Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:17:56 -0500 >To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com > The reason I write now is because we have only about another week >(Oct. 2) to get in more objections to this regulation. I have just >visited the DoT webpage Do you have a URL for this page? - tppt: Tom Paine, Perpetual Traveller; webmaster(a)proliberty.com ================================================================ The USA has the highest incarceration rate in the world (1.6 m) Most of those in prison are there for victimless 'crimes' (63%) Since 1979, property seized without trial, has increased by 2500% In the 'War On Drugs', drugs do not die. People do.

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40-bit brute force RC4 speed records?
by Dan McDonald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just curious, what's the speed record? What if I had, oh, say, a 4-way Ultra Enterprise 450 at my disposal? Thanks, Dan

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Re: ArcotSign (was Re: Does security depend on hardware?)
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Julian, 1. Minor nit-picks should be off-line, not spammed to 3 lists. 2. Tupographical errors should not be nit-picked. 3. Spell check your grammar flames. and 4. Do what I say, not what I do. proff(a)iq.org wrote: > > > >the legitimate user has, excepting the 'remembered secret'. Or is > > >there anything wrong with my logic? > > > > Yes. There is something wrong with you logic. > > > > Bruce > > ********************************************************************** > > Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 > > There's something wrong with you grammer. ^^^^^^^ "grammer" indeed! > > Cheers, > Julian.

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"More importantly, as Noam Chomsky points out in "Manufacturing Consent", lying politicians are the modern democratic equivalent of feudal tyrants beating or executing citizens in more "uncivilized times". " Zappa said politics was the entertainment branch of industry.

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response much appreciated
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday 9/25/98 7:34 PM raymoon(a)moonware.dgsys.com http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/text/faq/usenet/assembly-language/x86/microso… >Sorry, I have not done any ASM DLL programming and none with Visual >Basic. I looked for obvious errors but could not find any. > >Sorry that I could not be of any more help. > >Ray Thanks so much for responding. I have VB 6.0 and masm 6.11. Got masm 6.11 working okay. But I get an error 48 in VB 6.0. I am sleuthing-out what is going wrong. By starting simple. I looked at the NT samples! I notice that the NT 32 bit code is different from the 16 bit api. I thought I might have grossed you out. And therefore got no response. I am SICK about what happened. But the word is getting out. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/bw1.htm I got PAID to write the attached. I will let you know WITH SOURCE CODE of my progress. And thanks so much for helping. I am SUPER-PLEASED with Applied Computer Online Services 2901 Moorpark Avenue Suite 100, San Jose, CA 95128, USA el: (408) 248-8811 U.S. Sales: (888) 927-7543 or 888-9-APPLIED Fax: (408) 249-2884 Sam and Joyce were VERY NICE. Sam declared me a Delphi user. And, therefore, I got VB 6.0 for me for $261.43. http://www.samintl.com With its 800 mb of documentation. Grollier's encylopedia fits on a 650 mb cd rom! I got a separate sheet showing the billing to my credit card. Which I will pass on. Let me show you the machines I did the work for. http://metriguard.com/HCLT.HTM One version used the Forth from my book. I wrote the assembler dlls for the PC Data System version which interfaces to VB 3.0. My feeling is that you might get some CONSULTING business if you create a FORUM on masm at your site. John Young is a LEADER on internet FORUMS http://www.jya.com/index.htm. And J Orlin Grabbe http://www.aci.net/kalliste/, who edited the attached article, is a leader on FORUMS on economics and CLINTON. Grabbe was on 60 minutes. BUT you have to create a DYNAMIC SIMPLE SITE containg INFORMATION OF USE. Hope to hear from you again. And NOTHING EVIL. Other than MASM, FORTH, LINK, ML, NMAKE, Microsoft ... Worse, of couse, than the Great Satan. best bill Title: Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms Jump to Forum Click Image to Jump to Next Article Go to Text Only Print Version Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms by William H. Payne This article requires special formatting. Please Click Here to Read Send This Article to a Friend: Your Name: Email Address of your Friend: Your Email address: Back to Home Page Quick Menu Visit the Button Shop Interactive Forum Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms E-mail the Editor

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clinton body count
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

the sheeple shearing continues... ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:50:33 -1000 From: Jonathan David Boyne <boyne(a)hawaii.edu> To: Undisclosed recipients:; Subject: [earthchanges] Re: The Clinton 'body count' - New alarm.. (fwd) http://www.worldnetdaily.com/exclusiv/980924.exrivero_clinton_bo.html THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 24, 1998 ------------------------------------------ [WorldNetDaily Exclusive] ------------------------------------------ The Clinton 'body count' New alarm over growing list of dead close to president By Michael Rivero Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com "Dear Sir," began Monica Lewinsky's somewhat peevish letter of July 3rd, 1997. In it, according to the recently released report by Kenneth Starr, the former intern chided the president for failing to secure for her a new White House job, and hinted that continued stalling would result in word of their affair leaking out. The next day, Monica confronted Bill Clinton in an Oval Office meeting she described as "very emotional"; a meeting which ended when the president warned her, "It's illegal to threaten the president of the United States." Three days later, another former White House intern, Mary Mahoney, was shot five times in the back of the Georgetown Starbuck's she managed. Two of her co-workers were also killed. Even though cash remained in the register, the triple murder was quickly dismissed as a botched robbery. No suspects have ever been arrested. Coincidence? Maybe. Former Democratic National Committee fundraiser and Commerce Secretary Ron Brown was under criminal investigation. Indictments seemed imminent. Ron Brown had reportedly told a confidante that he would, "not go down alone." Days later, his plane crashed on approach to Dubrovnik airport during a trade mission excursion to Croatia. Military forensics investigators were alarmed by what appeared to be a .45-caliber bullet hole in the top of Brown's head. Coincidence? Maybe. Yet another fundraiser was Larry Lawrence, famed for his short residence at Arlington National Cemetery. Less well known is that he had been under criminal investigation by the State Department for three weeks when he died. Coincidence? Maybe. But for a growing number of Americans, the sheer numbers of strange deaths surrounding the career of Bill Clinton has begun to raise serious questions. In a meeting with Vernon Jordan, Monica Lewinsky reportedly expressed fears that she might, "end up like Mary Mahoney," and began to make sure that others knew of her affair with Bill Clinton. Of all the strange deaths surrounding the Clintons, none has come under more renewed scrutiny than the fate of White House Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster, who was found dead in Fort Marcy Park on July 20, 1993. The official investigation concluded that Foster inserted a gun into his mouth and pulled the trigger. Yet according to the lab results neither Foster's fingerprints nor blood was on the gun, nor were powder granules or bullet fragments traceable to that gun in his wounds. The purported "suicide note" was found to be a forgery by three independent experts. The record of a second wound on Foster's neck, and an FBI memo that contradicts the official autopsy, strongly suggests that Foster's wounds were misrepresented in the official report. The FBI's own records revealed that deliberate deception was used to link Foster with the gun found with his body. Partly on the basis of that evidence, the FBI is now in federal court on charges of witness harassment and evidence tampering in the case. In normal police procedure, homicide is assumed right from the start. Suicide must be proven, because homicides are often concealed behind phony suicides. Yet in the case of Foster, serious doubts persist regarding the credibility of the evidence offered up in support of the claim of suicide, and a recent Zogby Poll revealed that more than two-thirds of all Americans no longer think the official conclusion of suicide is believable The official conclusion regarding Commerce Secretary Ron Brown's death was that his plane was brought down by, "the worst storm in a decade." However, the Dubrovnik airport weather office, just two miles from the crash site, could not confirm the existence of any such storm, nor did any other pilots in the area. According to the April 8, 1996, Aviation Week & Space Technology, three separate radio links to the aircraft all quit while the aircraft was still seven miles from the crash, evidence that the plane suffered a total electrical failure in flight which was never investigated. The perfectly cylindrical hole in Ron Brown's skull never triggered an autopsy. After Ron Brown's death, his co-worker, Barbara Wise, was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce, dead, bruised, and partially nude. Following Brown's death, John Huang's new boss at Commerce was Charles Meissner, who shortly thereafter died in yet another plane crash. These and other questionable deaths have been collected together in a document known as the "Dead Bodies List," which can now be found in many locations on the World Wide Web. Some of the cases are poorly documented and have been dismissed until now as "conspiracy theory." However, analysis of the "Dead Bodies List" by experts on the Internet revealed that in many cases, deaths whose circumstances demanded an investigation had been ignored. Some events officially declared to be accidents seem to stretch the bounds of credulity. In one case, Stanley Heard, member of a Clinton advisory committee and chiropractor to Clinton family members, and his lawyer Steve Dickson were flying to a meeting with a reporter. Heard's private plane caught fire, but he was able to make it back to his airport and rent another plane to continue his journey. The rented plane then caught fire. This time, Heard did not make it back to the airport. Gandy Baugh, attorney for Clinton friend and convicted cocaine distributor Dan Lasater, fell out of a building. Baugh's law partner was dead just one month later. Jon Parnell Walker, an RTC investigator looking into Whitewater, interrupted his inspection of his new apartment to throw himself off of the balcony. Nor does the pattern of suspicious deaths discriminate by gender. Susan Coleman was reportedly a mistress to Clinton while he was Arkansas attorney general; she was seven months pregnant with what she claimed was Clinton's child when she died. Judy Gibbs, a former Penthouse Pet and call girl, reportedly counted Bill Clinton among her clients. Shortly after agreeing to help police in an investigation into Arkansas cocaine trafficking, Judy burned to death. Kathy Ferguson, a witness in the Paula Jones case, was killed with a gunshot behind the ear and was declared a suicide, even though her suitcases had all been packed for an immediate trip. One month later, Bill Shelton, Kathy's boyfriend and a police officer who had vowed to get to the bottom of Kathy's murder, was also dead of a gunshot, his body dumped on Kathy's grave. Another alarming trend observed in these deaths is how society's safeguards against murder appear to have been compromised. Many of the questionable deaths involved either negligence or the complicity of medical examiners. Dr. Fahmy Malek was the Arkansas medical examiner under then-Gov. Bill Clinton. His most famous case involved his ruling in the "Train Deaths" case of Don Henry and Kevin Ives in which Dr. Malek ruled that the two boys had fallen asleep on the railroad tracks and been run over by a train. A subsequent autopsy by another examiner found signs of foul play on both the boys' bodies and concluded that they had been murdered. According to Jean Duffey, the prosecutor in the Saline County Drug Task Force, the two boys accidentally stumbled onto a "protected" drug drop and were killed for it. Dan Harmon, the Arkansas investigator who concluded there was no murder, is now in prison on drug charges. Despite the evidence for murder and national exposure, the Henry/Ives case has never officially been re-opened, and Jean Duffy has since left Arkansas out of fear for her life. Several witnesses in the Henry/Ives case later died and were ruled as either suicides or natural causes by Dr. Malek, whose willingness to provide an innocuous explanation for these deaths is illustrated in one case where he claimed that a headless victim had died of natural causes. Malek claimed that the victim's small dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trash bin. When pressed to fire Dr. Malek, Gov. Clinton excused the medical examiner's performance as the result of overwork and gave him a raise. Dr. Malek's Washington D.C. counterpart was Fairfax, Virginia, Medical Examiner James C. Beyer. Long before his autopsy on Vincent Foster, Beyer's work was disputed. In the case of Tim Easely, Beyer ignored obvious defensive wounds, and eyewitness reports of an argument between Easely and his girlfriend, to conclude that Easely had committed suicide by stabbing himself in the chest. When an outside expert called attention to the fact that Easely had been stabbed clear through one of his palms, the girlfriend confessed to the murder. In the case of Tommy Burkett, Beyer ignored signs of violence done to Burkett to rule it was a simple suicide. A subsequent autopsy showed that Beyer had not even done the work he claimed in his original autopsy. Even though Beyer showed X-rays to Burkett's father, Beyer later claimed they did not exist. When Beyer performed the Foster autopsy, he wrote in his report that X-rays had been taken, then again claimed they never existed when asked to produce them. In some cases, the deaths simply have no innocuous explanation, One witness, Jeff Rhodes (who had information on the Henry/Ives murders) was found with his hands and feet partly sawn off, shot in the head, then burned and thrown in a trash bin. Another obvious murder was Jerry Parks, Clinton's head of security in Little Rock. Immediately following news of Foster's death, Parks reportedly told his family, "Bill Clinton is cleaning house." Just weeks after the Parks' home had been broken into and his files on Clinton stolen, Parks was shot four times in his car. Ron Miller, on whose evidence Nora and Gene Lum were convicted of laundering Clinton campaign donations, went from perfect heath to death in just one week in a manner so strange that his doctors ordered special postmortem tests. The results of those tests have never been released, but toxicologists familiar with the case suggest that Miller's symptoms are consistent with Ricin, a cold war assassin's poison. For a fortunate few the murder attempts have failed. In the case of Arkansas drug investigator Russell Welch, his doctors were able to identify that he had been infected with military anthrax in time to save his life. Gary Johnson, Gennifer Flowers' neighbor whose video surveillance camera had accidentally caught Bill Clinton entering Flowers' apartment, was left for dead by the men who took the video tape. Gary survived, although he is crippled for life. L.J. Davis, a reporter looking into the Clinton scandals, was attacked in his hotel room but survived (his notes on Clinton were stolen). Dennis Patrick, whose bond trading account at Dan Lasater's company was used to launder millions of dollars of drug money, has had four attempts on his life. But the real importance of the "Dead Bodies List" isn't what it tells us of modern political intrigues, but what it tells us of ourselves, in how we respond to it. The list has been around for quite some time, largely ignored by the general public, completely ignored by the mainstream media. The common reaction has been that such a list is unbelievable, not for its contents, but for its implications. For that reason, most Americans have, until recently, accepted at face value the official assurances that all these deaths are isolated incidents with no real meaning; that all the indications of foul play and cover-up are just an accumulation of clerical error and "overwork"; that it's all just "coincidence." On Aug. 17, as Bill Clinton admitted his "inappropriate relationship" with Monica Lewinsky on nationwide television, Americans began to confront the unavoidable fact that this president and his administration had lied to the public about a rather trivial matter. Americans came to realize that this president and his administration could no longer safely be assumed to have told the truth on more serious matters. In this new climate of doubt, the "Dead Bodies List" has enjoyed a new vogue, albeit a dark one. Talk radio discusses it. Total strangers e-mail it to each other. What was unthinkable a few months ago has become all too plausible. Political murder has come to America. Those cases on the "Dead Bodies List" where hard evidence directly contradicts the official conclusion have come under renewed scrutiny. It takes courage for the average citizen to accept that the government has lied to them, for by doing so, the citizen also accepts the obligation to do something about it. Americans know beyond a doubt that they have been lied to. Americans are discovering that they cannot ignore the fact of being lied to without sacrificing that part of the American self-image that holds honor and justice as ideals. But as the above poll would suggest, such a sacrifice is no longer acceptable. ----------------------------------------------------------- [WorldNetDaily.com] --------------------------------------------------------- © 1998 Western Journalism Center --------------------------------------------------------- This page was last built 9/24/98; 11:51:28 Site: matlanta(a)mindspring.com *** A List of Strange Deaths of Individuals Who All Had Verifiable Ties with Bill Clinton http://www.devvy.com/death_list.html VINCE FOSTER FIVE YEARS AFTER Unsolved Mystery Hampers All Starr's Probes By Carl Limbacher http://www.esotericworldnews.com/vince.htm VINCE FOSTER INVESTIGATIONCHRIS RUDDY, (PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE) http://www.ruddynews.com Christopher Ruddy's New Web Site <NewsMax.com> http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml Vince Foster - Patrick Knowlton v. 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IP: ISPI Clips 4.73: Europeans Bristle Over NSA's ECHELON-So Should You
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 4.73: Europeans Bristle Over NSA's ECHELON-So Should You Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:12:58 -0700 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 4.73: Europeans Bristle Over NSA's ECHELON-So Should You News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) Friday September 24, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: The Baltimore Sun, September 19, 1998 http://www.sunspot.net NSA listening practices called European `threat' European Parliament report accuses agency of widespread spying http://www.sunspot.net/cgi-bin/editorial/story.cgi?storyid=900000194001 By Neal Thompson Sun Staff The National Security Agency has incurred the wrath of some U.S. allies and triggered debate about increased global eavesdropping, thanks to a new report that accuses the agency of spying on European citizens and companies. With the help of a listening post in the moors of northern England, NSA for nearly a decade has been snatching Europe's electronic communications signals, according to a report for the European Parliament. "Within Europe, all e-mail, telephone and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency, transferring all target information to Fort Meade," said the report. `Powerful threat' It warned that the NSA's tactics represent a "powerful threat to civil liberties in Europe" at a time when more communication -- and commerce -- is conducted electronically. A preliminary version of the report circulated overseas in recent months, touching off heated debate, with front-page stories in Italy, France, Scotland, England, Belgium and even Russia. The NSA won't discuss the report or even admit that the listening post exists. But this week, two days of debate in the European Parliament continued the extraordinary public disclosure of comprehensive post-Cold War spying by the agency. On Wednesday, the Parliament passed a resolution seeking more accountability from such eavesdropping arrangements and more assurances that they won't be misused. "We want to make sure that somebody's watching them," said Glyn Ford, a British member of the European Parliament, the legislative body for the 15-member European Union. Observers say this was the first time a governmental body has described in detail -- and then criticized -- the NSA's tactics. "The cat's well and true out of the bag," said Simon Davies, director of the London-based watchdog group Privacy International. "I would argue that we have made the grandest step in 50 years toward accountability of such national security transparencies." The report describes a sophisticated program called Echelon, which the NSA established in conjunction with British intelligence agencies. The program includes a listening post in Menwith Hill, in Yorkshire, whose satellite dishes soak up the satellite and microwave transmissions carrying Europe's telephone conversations, faxes and e-mail. Unlike Cold War spying aimed at the military, Echelon is a global electronic surveillance system that targets individuals, businesses, governments and organizations, the report says. The U.S. shares the information with Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand as part of an intelligence-sharing agreement called UKUSA. Each nation has its own set of key words, so it can seek information on specific issues, the report states. Europe is but a fraction of Echelon's target area -- and the Menwith Hill post is one of at least 10 around the world, the report adds. "One reason its a bigger deal over there than it is over here [in the U.S.] is because the SIGINT [signals intelligence] systems are over their heads and not our heads," said Jeffrey Richelson, an analyst with the National Security Archives, a U.S. group seeking to declassify intelligence related documents. Echelon repercussions But the disclosure of Echelon could soon resonate across the Atlantic after the European Parliament action. Furthermore, it could complicate current negotiations between the U.S. and the European Union over encryption programs that scramble or encode computer information, said Parliament member Ford. 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