December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Regulating the Regulators / Re: regulating the internet (fwd)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Jeff Barber[SMTP:jeffb@issl.atl.hp.com] wrote , in reply to Jim Choate, > replying to William Geiger: > > Many people will argue that Medicaid, Medicare and the like are not > Bad Things. But they can't honestly be labeled "insurance". And they > definitely *are* "socialist" mechanisms. They're not socialist - just the welfare state. If that's all you mean by "socialist" you end up including all sorts of odd people - like Bismarck's Prussia, the arch-conservative empire which invented the welfare state. In fact you include practically all government. Even occupying armies usually try to do famine relief, if only to get the refugees off the roads. The word becomes so broad it is emptied of meaning and is only used as an insult - just like the way some peope on the left use "Nazi" or "fascist" If "socialist" means anything it has to mean social control of the supply side - as opposed to "capitialism" which is control by the suppliers of capital. Like it says in a Good Old Clause: "to secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry ... upon the basis of thwe common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange..." It's possible to imagine a socialist economy in which there was no welfare system - ownership of business distributed amongst everybody, managers of each business appointed democratically; everyone starts with an equal share, but no helping hand if you don't make out. Whether many people who say they are socialists would want to live in such an economy is a different question.

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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RE: [PGP-USERS-4748]: Legality in Canada
by Your Yashy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, H. M. wrote: > What's this 2600?? > > I think it refers to the 2600 FAQ. ItŽs a faq (Frequently Asked Questions) > about hacking, phreaking, and other related stuff which (I believe) was > originally made up by 2600 questions and answers (hence the name). > They also hold meetings (in US and/or Canada?) in which, I guess, the > attendants are supposedly hackers and phreakers. I think you should perhaps read a little more maboy. 2600 is not an FAQ, although, with any "group" nowadays, there is a FAQ avaliable for newbies etc (obviously like yourself). 2600 refers to a frequency, NOT a q and a, actually it derived from a tone that could "steal" trunk lines. They are not "supposedly hackers and phreakers". Aso the debatable issure of exact translation of a hacker, IMO it is anyone that has altered ANY program. p.s. If it wasn't for hackers, you wouldn't have the technology you have. > For what I've read on the inet, they sort of portray themselves as "outlawed > heroes" unjustly prosecuted or so, which IMHO rises a question: OH what you've read on the beloved www. I'd imagine you read an article on a webpage full of sex ad banners as well. I don't feel that I am an "outlawed hero" but I feel I better society in various ways. > they claim that all data should be freely available, and since it's not, > they ilegally enter other's systems by breaking into them... but, aren't we > here talking about encryption as a means of protecting your data and your > privacy? if so, aren't these people supposed to be a threat to all of us? As I've already said, you have alot more reading to do. I agree this is not a mailinglist for anything other than PGP. And how this thread evolved so far is by negligence. RTFM - -yashy- > > H. Menezo Ganau > homega(a)vlc.servicom.es > homega(a)latinmail.com > > > DH/DSS (1024/1024) > Key ID: 0x614DB9FA > > RSA (2048) > Key ID: 0x160B1B5B > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: pgp-users-unsubscribe(a)joshua.rivertown.net > For additional commands, e-mail: pgp-users-help(a)joshua.rivertown.net > - -shareware email coutesy of yashy- -send $10 cdn funds if you read it- email@reply irc@ircnet #italy icq@4497826 pgpID@ 0xD0186E85 pubring(a)www.chat.carleton.ca/~nmarion home@ottawa canada sleep@7am - - - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNSp1XD8rI+jQGG6FAQEP3QQAqj9Qg0XbFJeLauyvW586nd0Urmmkv9t3 D3O7M0oBhbn1dPNKCPJ+ZZsSF5V12LSz+cY8MV2Ul4nIx8HneBRsPA2/WzyNBYrS qZMn205XzgbXUL2/ZU5qv8ZKX+921wfBf/wdtIQmW2+FoxEQU0rVna97EG1DIJ/r L7Y3oTH45/c= =vNUE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Trans World Specials Fare Sales
by Trans World Specials 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Canada's Crypto Policy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to mctaylor and Carrie Bendzsa at Entrust we offer her transcription of the recent Entrust roundtable on Canada's Cryptography Policy: http://jya.com/CA-crypto.htm (113K) Good, vigorous discussion of how US export policy inhibits Canada's crypto policy and commerce. And what might be done to get the CA gov to defy the supercop without getting shackled like US miscreants.

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Nobody's Friend
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 4/7/98 2:26:38 PM Central Daylight Time, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM writes: << From: tsatan(a)hotmail.com >> I would read that as - T(he)Satan(a)HOTmail.com if I were you! ;-) I think he thinks he's serious. (a reminder - IMHO, the Christian Coalition is the anti- Christ in disguise) Stan

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Is Privacy-hater Gary Burnore a Sex Offender?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just found this posted to usenet. Can anyone in NC verify it? Subject: IMPORTANT: Gary L. Burnore is a Sex Offender! From: tsatan(a)hotmail.com Date: 1998/04/06 Message-ID: <6gau3g$82$1(a)orthanc.reference.com> Newsgroups: triangle.general Looking through the new NC Sex Offender Registry, who did I see? GARY LEE BURNORE 4201 BLAND ROAD APT J RALEIGH NC 27609 Offense and Conviction Information: Conviction Date: 03-13-1997 NC Statute: 14-202.1 - INDECENT LIBERTY MINOR Sentence Imposed: PROBATION 3Y Court County: SANTA CLARA, CA Two questions: 1-Is this the same jerk who posts regularly to triangle.general? 2-If so: anyone know anything else about this conviction? Thanks.

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Stan is Nobody's Friend?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:45:17 EDT From: StanSquncr <StanSquncr(a)aol.com> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Nobody's Friend In a message dated 4/7/98 2:26:38 PM Central Daylight Time, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM writes: << From: tsatan(a)hotmail.com >> I would read that as - T(he)Satan(a)HOTmail.com if I were you! ;-) I think he thinks he's serious. (a reminder - IMHO, the Christian Coalition is the anti- Christ in disguise) Stan Stan, somebody needs to pry your cocksucking lips off of Pat robertson's cock long enough to beat your stupid fucking ass down with a clue-by-four. stop swallowing all that mainstream media jizz, you fucking cumbucket, and quit the dope too. your daddy

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Re:Nobody
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 4/7/98 4:19:39 PM Central Daylight Time, nobody writes: << Stan, somebody needs to pry your cocksucking lips off of Pat robertson's cock long enough to beat your stupid fucking ass down with a clue-by-four. stop swallowing all that mainstream media jizz, you fucking cumbucket, and quit the dope too. >> I see you've come out of your closet, Nobody! Stan

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