December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Trolling for Children, Cypherpunks, or LEA's?
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

se7en, Grand Protector of "Us", wrote: > > When I stopped lurking on this list and became a > regular poster, one of the things I quickly became known for was my > on-line harrassment of those who hurt us as a group. Thank you for your harrassment of the victims of your harrassment on my behalf. > Many old-timers here will remember my harrassment of a > a worldwide volunteer force that searched out indecency > on the net So it is a good thing to harrass people who do this? Thanks, I'll remember that. > As many of you know, I make a living as a professional speaker, with > federal government, military and intelligence communities as my core > audience. I am certain that you tell them what the federal government and military think they need to hear an are well received. > I recently went off on a serious rant with three different audiences on a > topic I felt was seriously exaggerated/over-hyped/fearmongered/bullshit. But you would never do that again, right? > some idiot from an anonymous address > sent me a child porn .jpg file. Trust me when I say it was child porn Nope. Afraid I like to check facts for myself. > I looked around on IRC on #teensex, and found: > #preteensexpics > #littlegirlsex > #100%preteensexpics > #100%preteensexfuckpics > #!!!!!!preteensexpics I looked too, but didn't find it. > I joined several of these channels and found that > upon entering each one, I was auto messaged about special kiddie porn > servers dedicated to trading, e.g., > PreTeenSexPics - FTP at 130.67.80.230 l/p ncc/ncc [|] I couldn't confirm this myself. Looked like pretty normal files to me. > I started logging the channels. I wanted to silently gather IP addresses > and email addresses. These people needed some genuine hacker terror. And to think that a short time ago, they didn't even exist, according to your rants. > I logged out of IRC, and then went to USENET, in such rooms as: > alt.binaries.erotica.children.pre-teen I couldn't find this "room" either. Are you sure this stuff doesn't exist only on your computer? > Several messages also pointed to some WWW sites, such as: > http://www.nudebooks.com Did you check it out? I did. I saw a lot of art. I didn't see any age discrimination. Maybe they need to be harrassed. Perhaps you could start by harassing the naturalists who have pictures of their families taken in the buff because they don't seem to realize that their bodies are vile, disgusting things. Then you could harrass those who document the photography of Lewis Carroll, who took pictures that aren't acceptable to present day moralists because our children now live long enough that we can stunt their sexual growth without dire consequences for survival of the species. > Well, this whole situation is unacceptable. First, I would like to > apologize to all those who have hired me in the past, and were subject to > my emotional rants about how the whole subject was bullshit and not real. But now we should liste to your emotional rants about the whole subject demands that we harrass people over it? Right. > I know this type of activity is > not tolerated by us. Which type? The type of activity where naturalists take pictures of themselves and their families? The type of activity where those who celebrate the human physique in their art don't use an artificial cut-off date to decide when art becomes obscenity? > I have given you enough information above to start > identifying the players in this and the places they congregate. No you haven't. > Yes, I am advocating malicious, destructive hacking activity against > these people. And this time you're not *wrong* like you were before, right? > These people need to be eradicated from the Internet. I'll rent the Ryder truck, you buy the fertilizer. We'll only kill the "guilty," right? TruthMonger

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Re: [Noise, California only] Good deal on ISDN access (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > From: Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: [Noise, California only] Good deal on ISDN access > Assuming you can get 56k over your POTS line. Less than 20% of US > households can even link up at 28.8k. ISDN is a clean solution that will That is an interesting stat, I have considerably better luck than this. I would guess about 80% of my customers and people I know using them get full bandwidth most of the time. I use 33.6 on SSZ and everyone of my users with this get consistent speed. My dedicated lines seem quite stable over time as well. I prefer my ISDN over a normal modem. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I really don't think that se7en just wants to censor the kiddie porn sites; I think he is on a personal vendetta (like McVeigh). He didn't call for anyone to support legislation and propose new, tough laws, but called for hackers to go after this particular target. On the net anyone is prey, remember; kiddie porn dealers not exempted. It's moot to discuss whether eliminating a few thousand digital images will make any difference on the availability/market desireability of these pictures (I expect these are all backed up somewhere, anyway, so destroying them probably wouldn't actually make much difference, but just anger the owners.) How many photos of real children arranged into sexual poses or imposed upon to perform sexual acts does it take to satisfy an addict? How many photos which are not duplicates do these people actually possess, and how many more do they seek to obtain? Is it the number of them, or the thrill of the "new"? That a certain number of these photos are in circulation may not be so important as the fact that they are "new" (to the person looking to get them). This means that having free circulation of large numbers of images may be beside the point (I am speculating and calculating based on almost total ignorance of the psychology of this type of individual). If these pedophiles just want to fantasize, I would offer they could get a package of Macromedia Freehand or Director and Photoshop and create their own. But that probably wouldn't be satisfactory to them. I expect there is something in the qualities and character of real children which draw them. But I digress. The subject was hacking at your own chosen target. Some people hack children's innocence; some people hack the hackers. Que sera' sera'. .. Blanc .. Blanc

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BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS, JUNE 14, AT PGP Inc. IN SAN MATEO
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cypherpunks June 97 Physical Meeting Announcement (SF Bay Area, Northern California chapter) Date: 14 June 1997 (second Saturday as usual) Time: 12pm - 4pm Host: Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. Contact: Dave Del Torto - 415.596.1781 voice Agenda for 14 June 97 (subject to slight variations): 1.Angelos Keromytis & Hugh Daniel on their Linux IPSEC work: Hot news from the recent IPSEC interoperability bake-off in Michigan 2.PGP 5.0 Source Code Release & Public Review: The first release of *all* final PGP 5.0 source code to the People! PGP engineers will be present to discuss technical details and answer specific questions. A number of copies will be available (free) to attendees who wish to review the cryptography code (note: we recommend that you bring a box or bag, as it's 14 volumes and nearly 7,000 pages). 3.HIP97 Trip Planning Committee: A group from California is planning on attending the Hacking in Progress '97 event sponsored by XS4ALL in the Netherlands (8/9/10 Aug). This event is followed by the IETF meeting in Munich, and some will continue on. We'll discuss our cooperative travel plans. Cf. N.B.: Contact ASAP for flight info as flights are being booked up rapidly (high tourist season). [Editors Note: _High_ tourists in Amsterdam??] 4. Ian Goldberg's Cool Canadian Crypto Software for Pilot Organizers If somebody from Berkeley can give Ian a ride, he'll demo the crypto libraries and applications he wrote while out of the US. PGP Building Access: This is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is free for anyone to attend. There is a minor building security formality due to the facilities being in a bank building: anytime after 12 noon, approach the Bayview Building's Information window (in the plaza, see below for directions), and ask the Guard on Duty to let you up to the 2nd Floor for the Cypherpunks meeting (use the passphrase "cypherpunks release code"). If you have any difficulty (eg. if the guard is on a break), simply call me at 415.730.3583 and I'll let you in. You can arrive at any time during the scheduled meeting hours, though earlier is better if you want to hear the interesting stuff. Directions to PGP: Pretty Good Privacy's HQ is located at: 2121 South El Camino Real 9th Floor - (the meeting is on the 2nd Floor) San Mateo CA 94403, USA Directions available here http://www.pgp.com/pgpcorp/contactpgp.cgi#head or follow DDT's Directions to PGP's HQ in San Mateo (fossil fuel version): MACRO From the North Bay: Hwy 101 South (use right lanes after passing SFO) EXIT Fwy 92 West (move to center lane immediately after ramp)... or 280 South (take Hwy 92 East toward the Bay)... From the South Bay: 101 North - EXIT Fwy 92 West (toward Half Moon Bay)... 280 North - EXIT Hwy 92 East (toward the Bay)... From the East Bay: San Mateo Bridge (Hwy 92 West) GO past Hwy 101... MICRO Once you're on Hwy 92 (from either 280 or 101) EXIT at SOUTH El Camino Real (From 101 it's about a mile, and there are two El Camino exits!) (From 280 it's about 7 miles, after you've come down a steep grade, levelled out and passed under an overpass) Curve around and down under freeway: you're now travelling south on El Camino Real. Get in the LEFT lane *immediately*. (Directly in front of you, you can see the Bayview Building a couple of blocks away: it's the only highrise around.) LEFT on 20th (The very first traffic light after exit ramp. Taco Bell is on left). RIGHT turn at next stop sign (residential street: Palm). PROCEED 1.5 blocks. (Parking Garage entrance at rear of Bayview building is on your right.) PARK on the 2nd level. NANO Once you've parked your vehicle in the Garage (it's free): STAIRS (or Elevator) to the main level, step out and... WALK WEST across the courtyard to the main (tallest) building. PASS through the doorway in the stand-alone exterior "glass wall" and approach the "Information" window (also the Guard Station) on the north side of the building. GET the guard's attention (preferably *not* by waving a firearm). Use the passphrase and you'll be admitted. If the guard's on a break, call me at 415.730.3583. ELEVATOR to 2nd Floor. (The meeting room is on left side, slightly down the hall) Public Transit For CalTrain, get off at the San Mateo station near the Bay Meadows horse racing track and head for the tallest building around with the huge "Bayview" sign on top. It's a short walk or cab ride. By bus, take any line running on El Camino Real to the intersection of 20th in San Mateo and dismount. Look up: you're there. - ------------------ Announcement also available at http://www.pgp.com/newsroom/cpunk-info.cgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBM54YkvthU5e7emAFAQFF8AH+M0LItG6OfTn4h8BNF+51RLsuQHWq1TgY IN+R3j+A7AJno7lUxP612Ctm5m/3V2dAa5HrScyCfm3KUiPDxOqozQ== =gMPf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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unsubscribe tmoore48@ix.netcom.com
by Giggles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ADDENDUM: BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS, JUNE 14, AT PGP Inc. IN SAN MATEO
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please refer to the official announcement at http://www.pgp.com/newsroom/cpunk-info.cgi in case any of the PGP-related details change....

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Re: FCPUNX:Response to 'My War'
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

fAt 10:07 PM 6/9/97 -0700, se7en wrote: > Anyone who thinks this doesn't affect the young children, you are wrong. > I doubt these children consented to the sexual activity. I doubt they > consented to being photographed. I doubt they consented to the pictures > being distributed to others. Most of these children are adults now. A great many of them are grandmothers. Yet I see no prosecutions for the distribution of images by the supposed victims. > I am sure this affects the > emotional/psychological state of the child victim in many ways beyond > what most of us can understand. I think we can all agree that is creates > a less-than-optimal psychological state in the children. Produce a victim and you will find it a lot easier to prosecute. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Feds have lost battle against encryption
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is an editorial in the June 11 San Jose Mercury News titled, "Feds have lost battle against encryption". It mentions the Sun/Elvis+ deal, and representative Goodlatte's bill. It says, "Government warriors should pack up their rusty cannons, admit that they've lost this battle, and learn to live in the 1990s." It speaks favorably of increased sentencing for criminal use of encryption. It says the bill does not go far enough in removing export controls. Try http://www.sjmercury.com for a copy. (I haven't looked, so no guarantees.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The Internet was designed | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | to protect the free world | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | from hostile governments. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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[off-topic] LEA announcement about children & computers (long)
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cpunx: For your amusment - nicked from the local Telco web site. I especially enjoy the link between role playing games, satanism and computing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CHILDREN AND COMPUTERS: THE HIDDEN DANGER Dear Parent: With the never ending development of computer technology and as an increasing number of people become computer literate, it is much more likely that our children may be victimized or exploited in a computer environment. If your child has a home computer (or access to someone elseÆs computer), especially those equipped with a modem, then please take the time to review this guide and become familiar with the behavioural warning signs. It will only take a few minutes and may prevent devastating problems in the future. Keep in mind, however, that no matter how ôawareö you are of these warning signs, the most important safeguard is to monitor the contacts that your children are making in this unrestricted environment and regulate their computer related activities. In addition, do not allow your children to isolate themselves from family or friends by engaging in solitary computer activities for hours on end. A computer should never become a substitute for social interaction. 1984 Government Study TodayÆs children are being weaned on video games and quickly move to computers. Society has high hopes for this technically literate generation, but the proliferation of microcomputers and computer literacy also means that more and more assets will be stored on computer systems and the community of potential computer criminals will increase astronomically. Tips for Safe Computing PARENTS Please advise your children to observe the following safety rules whenever they are ôon-lineö. Remind them that no matter how safe and/or friendly the BBS seems (and this includes the major services as well as the Internet), there is always a potential for danger. They Should: òNever give out any personal information about themselves - particularly full names, addresses, phone numbers, financial information, etc. to anyone they meet on line. òAvoid responding to anyone who leaves them obnoxious, sexual or menacing E-mail. They should not become involved in public ôFlameö sessions as they have no idea who they are dealing with and what access an individual may have to their account information. òReport all electronic harassment and/or abuse to their parents. As parents, you should notify the SYSTEM OPERATOR (SYSOP) of the problem. If the SYSTEM OPERATOR does not give you satisfaction in stopping this abuse, the police should be notified. òNever set up face to face meetings alone with anyone they have met on the BBS. They should always take someone with them and always meet in a public place. òNever have someone come to their house until they get to know them and until they are satisfied that they have given accurate personal information about the individual. òSafeguard all credit card and telephone card numbers. They should pay for BBS services by money order whenever practical. PARENTS: Notify the police of all attempts by adults to set up meetings with your children. This is by far the most dangerous situation for children and should be prosecuted when appropriate. ôThe modern thief can steal more with a computer than with a gun, and tomorrowÆs terrorist may be able to do more damage with a keyboard than with a bombö. National Research Council Washington, D.C. Some Child Behavioural Warning Signs: Computer Addiction òWithdraws from friends, family etc. May lose interest in social activities. òUse of new (unusual) vocabulary, heavy with computer terms, satanic phrase or sexual reference (or sudden interest in related posters, music, etc.) Look for related doodling or writing. òUse of words such as: hacking, phreaking or any words with ôphö replacing ôfö. òLack of interest in self and appearance or indications of lack of sleep, (which might indicate late night modem-play). Other Potential Danger Signs òComputer and modem running late at night (even when unattended). òStoring of computer files ending in: GIF, JPG, MPG, AVI, MOV, BMP, TIF, PCX, DL, GL or unusual CDÆs; these are video or graphic image files and parents should know what they illustrate. òNames on communications programs which seem satanic or pornographic. òObsession with fantasy adventure games, (Dungeons and Dragons, Trade Wars, Sexcapade, etc). òUse of computer to scan or run telephone numbers or credit card numbers, (look for ôsequential diallingö programs). What you can do to Protect your Children Talk to your children about their use of the computer Know What They are Doing òIf possible, keep the computer in a ôcommonö area of your home, such as a family room or den. òYou decide if your child has a legitimate need for a modem. òIf a modem is being used, control the activity by monitoring times used and numbers dialled. Closely Monitor your Long Distance Bill òIf the computer is left running unattended, check the screen. òIf it is showing a series of four digit numbers, the computer is trying to identify calling card ôPINö numbers. òIf it is showing a series of sixteen digit numbers, the computer is trying to validate credit card numbers. òIf you are not computer literate, make sure you at least learn the basics about computers, take a course or have your child teach you. Courtesy of: Chief Alfred O. Olsen Warwick Township Police Department Lititz, Pennsylvania, USA

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[CNN] Stolen Laptops and lame 'solution'
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

reproduced under fair-use: > PC, phone home > > Industry aims to stop > theft of laptops > > June 10, 1997 > Web posted at: 11:45 p.m. EDT (0345 GMT) > > From Correspondent Greg > Lefevre > > SAN FRANCISCO (CNN) -- Expensive, compact and > frequently out and about, a laptop computer makes an attractive > target for thieves. > > But the computer industry has devised some ingenious ways to > counter theft, including invisible software that knows when the > computer is in trouble. > > "As soon as the thief plugs that machine into a phone network, it > will phone home," said John Livingston, chief executive of > CompuTrace Service. > > The call goes to a Canadian office > that in turn phones the cops. So far, > it has a 100 percent recovery rate. > ====== 100% of WHAT? Systems with it installed which are stolen? How would you know what systems do NOT call in? It's like the question the clerk asks at the airport: "Did anyone put anything in your luggage you don't know anything about?" Now that the word is out, of course, the wily thief will eschew pluggin in until the hard drive is reformatted and installed with a clean OS. As usual: the stupid will be caught.

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