December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Question on CFB variant with c[i-N]
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Johnson, Michael P (Mike) <JohnsMP(a)LOUISVILLE.STORTEK.COM> > To: 'coderpunks(a)toad.com'; 'cypherpunks(a)algebra.com'; 'David Honig' <honig(a)otc.net> > Subject: RE: Question on CFB variant with c[i-N] > Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 12:22 PM > How about this mode: > c[i] = e(K1, e(k2, c[i-1]) ^ p[i-1]) ^ p[i] > p[i] = e(K1, e(k2, c[i-1]) ^ p[i-1]) ^ p[i] > > The feedback possibilities are literally endless. The analysis of the > effects on security, speed, error propagation, etc., are left as an > exercise for the reader. <grin> > Some standard modes have been well analyzed and accepted. They also are > built into specialized cracking hardware. Offering and using multiple > modes and multiple algorithms raises the cost of building specialized > cracking hardware. I'm kind-of skeptical of the big advantages of this. I mean, if you were convinced someone with a DES-cracking engine was listening in on an encrypted channel, and you really wanted to make sure they wouldn't manage to get any plaintext, would you rather alter your system to use some weird and not-too-well analyzed chaining mode, or alter your system to use DESX or Blowfish or something else with a key length too big to be vulnerable to such keysearch machines? There clearly *are* ways to get more than 56 bits of security out of DES. However, they're not generally obvious, and even very bright cryptographers have shot themselves in the foot trying to design them. (Remember 3DES with internal CBC-mode chaining, Ladder DES, and DES-Tran-DES-Tran-DES?) --John Kelsey, kelsey(a)counterpane.com / kelsey(a)plnet.net NEW PGP print = 5D91 6F57 2646 83F9 6D7F 9C87 886D 88AF

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Best Cypherpunk long gun
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is the best long gun for a Cypherpunk?

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 12/23/97 1:34 AM, Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net) passed this wisdom: >(The notion that the AR-15/M-16 "jams" is based on 35-year-old >early experiences in Viet Nam, using an early design and early >ammo. The jamming problems were fixed quickly, by changing the >forward assist, changing the ammo a little, and teaching soldiers >how to properly clean the weapon.) In addition to that they chrome plated the chambers which eliminate 99% of the actions where the extractor would rip off the tail end of the casing. "obturation" (almost microscopic expansion of the brass in the chamber at ignition) and the coarser finish of the unplated chambers coupled up to give a high percentage of jams. When the jam was tough enough that the tail of the cartridge got ripped off the poor trooper was up shits creek since he couldn't use a cleaning rod to remove the shell ... a lot of M16s got bent around trees because of that! By Nov 68 when I got in country the 1st MarDiv had replaced most of its M16s with the newer chromed chamber models. I don't know about other services or outfits. I had maybe a half dozen occasions where I put four to six 20 round mags (the Marines didn't start getting the 30 round mags til the Army got all theirs - sigh!) through my weapon on full auto in rapid succession and never had a jam. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNJ/kZz7r4fUXwraZAQEe2gf+JsOLKfLW9GGQBu8WNDAaqyjql1FamKQp abqMPoleLrhaHrB7TnkfTF7sdL6R9tO9syBTjqw36CKOXv/lP3/DsiSQTnML2K2s cl2eCphQvfc2b7L9ylXcihs0UHynqCgevtPLJG5f7QrSvzR+NFlFd0roBiFLLZc+ lz88qgnSUOFclhepsmYslSBEqaLX62Y11pnxb/yr1xU6DUVZv+92yhVsT2ojxZ4b n6WrsU81mFOjX+Oi41Zg9GAbMFy/cM2O2mZ4YJBEWkztWA1J9kNX6NSisv0Yswbj bkmWD3sFCeh8qKmflllh+fuxq70q8mLyws6ntzclpdgcUUs1JWGIjg== =rdqq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day, but give him a case of dynamite and soon the village will be showered with mud and seaweed and unidentifiable chunks of fish." -Joe Chew

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Re: Lock and Load (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 12/22/97 6:40 PM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: > >Forwarded message: > >> Subject: Re: Lock and Load >> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 17:59:49 -0500 >> From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > >> There are probably as many weapons where this is true as there where >> it is not. In general it makes most sense to check for safe condition >> before and after loading. > >Would you be so kind as to give a specific example of a bolt action, >semi-automatic, or automatic rifle that can't be loaded on safe? I have >never seen a rifle that wouldn't allow this. Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle (circa 1905-1930+) there is one (high three digit serial number made in 1906) chambered in .35 Remington on the wall about 30 feet from where I am sitting. It's safety is right side mounted and not only blocks the trigger but locks the bolt forward both internally and externally by blocking track for the bolt handle, it must be off to draw the bolt back to load the internal five round pushdown magazine. The design was based on the original Browning patent for a semi-automatic rifle. I remember through the years seeing at least three other weapons with similar mechanisms but I cannot recall make and model save that one of the was a Remington of 1920's vintage. >A parallel pistol example would be nice too, if you're so inclined. I don't know of any pistols .... except that in the case of the ubiquitous military .45 (1911A1) while one can easily insert a magazine with the gun on safe, it isn't truly loaded til a round is chambered which involves coming out of safe to rack the slide .... as far as I am concerned the only 'safe' safety on a .45 is the half-cock position. I have seen a number of malfunctions of the thumb safety and the grip safety as well as the barrel disconnect safety. In another message someone commented on not dropping a .45 with the hammer back ... I have a friend in NJ who commanded another platoon in my recon company in Nam. He jumped down off a parapet and his .45 bounced out of his flak jacket pocket and went off putting a large hole in his foot (for which he earned the nickname "Quick Draw"). It had been in 'condition 1' (full magazine inserted, round chambered, hammer at full cock, thumb safety on), but went off anyway. The armorer later said none of the parts seemed damaged or particularly worn, it just went off ... I am sure there's dozens more stories of loaded 45's going off when dropped. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." -- Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead (1943)

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:34:51 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun > Were I to recommend one rifle to meet most needs, it would be some variant > of the AR-15, from Colt or Bushmaster or Olympic Arms, etc. About $800 for > a common variant. No need for a collapsible stock. This will handle social > needs from short range, to a few hundred yards (maybe more). > > There are those who recommend a cheaper SKS or AK-47 variant. I've never > owned one, so can't honestly comment. The concensus in rec.guns and > misc.survivalism seems to be that the AR shoots better and more accurately, > but the AK-47 is more forgiving of bad conditions, dirt, etc. Inasmuch as I > don't expect to be in the desert, or even any mud, I'll take the more > accurate piece. I would go for a HK 93 or G3 model myself w/ Zeiss 3x9 scope w/ some sort of laser designator for long range (> 200 yds.). Chambered in .308 and will give about a 4 to 6-in. group at 600 yds. from what I have seen - very handy for shooting throug 4 in. brick walls as well. Very accurate (a very popular sniper weapon) and more than forgiving with the environment. It's little brother the MP-5 pretty much owns the SWAT and similar sorts of jobs. A Desert Eagle chambered in .357 (you just *think* those .223 go through vests) would be my close in choice. Course you ain't gonna touch the HK for less than a few $k and the Desert Eagles are over $1k. > (The notion that the AR-15/M-16 "jams" is based on 35-year-old early > experiences in Viet Nam, using an early design and early ammo. The jamming > problems were fixed quickly, by changing the forward assist, changing the > ammo a little, and teaching soldiers how to properly clean the weapon.) Don't worry about it - go with a HK and you can fill the chamber with gunk and the next cycle of the blowback bolt system will clear it. Excellent all weather weapon. It'll even fire if un-oiled - not something you should do with a M16/AR15. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Get your Anthrax shots
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Well I don't know about you Tim but my Doctors only know me as Mr. Cash. >:) How'd you pull that one off? All kinds of personal information, including your name, is included in medical records which the doctors have to keep up to date and reference. When you go in you'd have to give them your name. Now on the other hand I suppose you could go in, say you don't have insurance, give a fake name, and pay in cash always. It would still be trivial to ambush you at a scheduled doctor appointment. And I think Klintonkov has done a good job of discouraging privately funded medical care.

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Re: Lock and Load (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Lock and Load (fwd) > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 02:41:03 -0500 > From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > It was the first cicilian marketed semi-auto in the country This doesn't use a Mauser 1898 action does it? The top feed 5-round clip is my first clue... As to first semi-automatic in the country, I believe the Springfield 1903 has that particular honor. It used a Mauser '98 action also. It's also where .30-06 got the 06 from...also very popular in WW1 and used as a sniper rifle through Normandy, after which the Garand pretty much took over. > ... the > right hand safety can be operated and usually is by the thumb of the > right hand its a big flat lever with a good sized tab on it, just extend > the right thumb and push down. How can that work if the R. thumb is on the L. side of the gun while the safety is on the R. side of the gun? Your description leaves me with one of two mental images. Either my hand is off the trigger guard and I have a loaded and unsafed weapon or else I have to do some sort of finger gynmastics around the trigger guard in the same unsafed condition. Scares the be-jesus out of me...an errant twig could fire a round. > The magazine was a non removeable clip > that could only be loaded from the top, no stripper clips. The one > drawback to the weapon was it was a top eject and the it was said that > the ejecting shell distracted the eye of the shooter, personally I got > used to that within the first 100 round I fired with it. Yep, bet this is some sort of Mauser '98 action... > Merry Christmas to you too ... we here in Vermont are having a *very* > white Christmas already with more snow coming tonite and tomorrow ... We're supposed to get rain and more rain starting tomorrow. They say it might be clear on Christmas but the rain returns on Friday...;( Stay warm & thanks for the discussion. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
by The Sheriff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:23:23 -0400 >To: David Honig <honig(a)otc.net> >From: The Sheriff <sheriff(a)speakeasy.org> >Subject: Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >>Marc, you have declared how far you take freedom: you apparently >>believe it is proper for the government to intervene in private hiring >>decisions. Unfortunately many americans believe this intrusion is justified. > >I have to admit, at first I agreed with Marc, until I thought >about it for a minute. After all, to leave a people free is not >to leave them in chaos -- freedom comes with responsibility, >period. It doesn't have to be levied by a governmental body -- >there will allways be consequences when a free man makes a choice >or takes action in some way, be they good consequences or bad. > >After all, if the majority of the population of a free society >didn't have a problem with homosexuals, and yet Employer X fired >people because they were homosexual or friends with someone who >was, I get the sneaking suspicion that one of two things would >happen: > >1) Employer X's work force would eventually evaporate. > >2) Those who stuck with Employer X might soon find that > their boss doesn't discriminate solely against gays. > >In considering the position that employers have every right to >fire for whatever reason, I have decided that the firing of an >employee -- for whatever reason -- is, in itself, a form of >speech. "In terminating your employment and having you escorted >off the premesis effective immediately, we here at Corp X are >saying that all faggots suck." > >As such, who is to say that Employer X should be punished for >his views? Americans don't have a RIGHT to employment. That's >why people take their future into their own hands and become their >own employers, right? > > Best wishes and fresh-roasted peanut taste, The Sheriff. -- ***<REPLY TO: sheriff(a)speakeasy.org>*** - --- As kinky as it sounds, finger me to see my PGP key and confirm the signature attached to this message. - --- Any and all SPAM will be met with immediate prosecutory efforts. Solicitations are NOT welcome here! - --- ----BEGIN INFLAMATORY BLOCK---- Version: 160 (IQ) Comments: Definitely one of their greatest misses. Reporter: "Do you know what Public Enemy is?" - --- Citizen: "Public enemy?" [long pause] "Probably somebody in office." -----END INFLAMATORY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNJ+DYwBMw4+NR29ZAQEABQgAtc5fh8yastnBu6A6m2emw3PRj0rCUKwR s9n7myQm1KWOkb5lO44Vz+CoBdBblh5INezrLJ1O5Rspv+GBLygIhi71yM8k2QLc 8kYQ2cBgwCF+M8xUMKvkWB2dg3grEcv9AqZhl+1RCaOuiUvDeHb2T17glQ5sCjd7 p6eDU8ldMabcV6xmS4uoCTbyNH1SPp7j91h503xz/9oBjspMPKzTX1lF7KTnl+sP 8q91O+KUpnq+V88dp1AzgsZ1da+o5jBgXNLC8G2OcUpA4wlhbLc33FZb0S8if70D /NYCZZH6TL08glhxG4FKkL9FiOaSyJA/Ca2juipFlYL7I9quwT+Tbw== =jHny -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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New Presidential Crypto Advisor
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

22 December 1997, U.S. Newswire: Clinton Nominates Honigman Special Advisor to President Washington, Dec. 22 -- The President today announced the appointment of Steven S. Honigman as Special Advisor to the President. Mr. Honigman will bring senior level and government-wide leadership to the Administration's procurement of encryption technology and services. Mr. Honigman's responsibilities will include assuring that agency procurement policies, requirements, practices and programs are coordinated and consistent with Administration encryption policies. He will also coordinate agency encryption pilot projects and bring them to production, promote public-private standards development, and maintain a dialogue with the public about these efforts. His work will require consultation with all major Federal agencies, White House policy offices, the Congress, market participants, foreign entities and the private sector. Mr. Honigman has served since June 1993 as the General Counsel of the Navy. In that position, he has been the Department of the Navy's chief legal officer and the principal legal advisor to the Secretary of the Navy. As Navy General Counsel, he has been a leader in acquisition reform and procurement-related litigation. Mr. Honigman was born in Brooklyn, New York. He received his B.A. degree from New York University and his J.D. degree from Yale Law School. Mr. Honigman has practiced as a civil litigator in New York City. His areas of specialization included international and domestic reinsurance and insurance disputes, transactions and insolvencies. ----------

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:08:04 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun (fwd) > I can't agree that the HK 91 (the .308 version) is a popular sniper > weapon. Military and police snipers the world over differ strongly with you... Beside, it's the 93/G3 not the 91 (thought they do share a lot of commen base pieces) that is the sniper rifle. I believe you will also find that the .308 is the base caliber for all versions. Your wording above would indicate the 91 was .308 while the 93 was a different caliber, this is incorrect. Visit the H&K home page... > For sniper work, a bolt-action is by far the most popular piece. Really? Watch a few more of those silly police shows on at night. Pay particular attention to the long-term hostage episodes. I generaly see the break-in team carrying MP-5 or shortie M-16's. I have yet to see the backup or sniper team using a bolt-action. Learning base tactics is about the only thing these shows are good for. > I'm also skeptical about lasers, for daylight use. The three lasers I have > owned have been good for indoor use, but visibility outdoors during the day > is very poor. I only use them for long-range shots and it does require the scope to see the spot - the whole point really. The idea is the beam is of very low power at this point and doesn't stand out quite as bad as up close (the glowing red dot). > (IR lasers with IR night vision gear is another matter, but also another > price matter, too.) Bad news, the others guys IR/IIS will spot you in a heart-beat, never use a laser at nite, it's like tracers - they work both ways. You want to stick with a strictly 3rd generation passive IR/IIS. Remember, we're counter-sniping at this point... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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