December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Spam Kings Wanted !
by chris moss 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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A GIFT FROM MUSIC BOULEVARD
by http://www.musicblvd.com/ 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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M$
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On the frontpage of the USA Tomorrow: - Finalized is the merger Mr. T and NWO, Inc iniatied with Microsoft. Sources for the NWO, Inc. said that with attitude of Mr. T and the Microsoft domination of computers would help in helping citizens confirm to their idiotic ideas. - grubament studies have determined that electron ray showers from the distant plant QWERTY (2nd behind the Death Star) could contain obscene pictures or worse +467973 bit encrypted messages that can be received on the average watch calculator and so it should be destroyed to protect those without mechanisms to think for themselves. - the chief fireant in charge of the DNA Supercomputer is quoted as saying that the 'BendOverAndPayYourTaxes Bull' (TM) algorithm had found that of all the shit politicians make up there worse is the shit that won't flush. - In Rhode Island it is a felony punishable my 10 years and/or a e$10,000 fine to have or have knowledge that a person is thinking about an immoral act. - Jerry Springer, their chief journalist, confirmed with pictures of the rumors that Bill Klinton WAS associating with a Cypherpunk to be Indicted Later at Brooklyn Zoo speaking in the non-decryptable tongue of language Ebonics. The transcript of the meeting was given to a fireants at the DNA Supercomputer Lab in a slight hope of finding out what was said. -Joe7

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feinstein and domestic crypto curbs
by landon dyer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

here's the text of a letter that i snail-mailed to california's senator dianne feinstein in early september: ---------------- Landon Dyer September 8, 1997 Campbell, CA Senator Dianne Feinstein United States Senate 331 Hart Senate Office Building Washington, D.C. 20510 Dear Senator Feinstein, I am writing this to you because of some statements you made last week in a Senate Judiciary committee on the subject of mandatory key escrow for domestic encryption products. To be frank: I was shocked and sickened by your statement that "nothing other than some form of mandatory key recovery really does the job" of preventing crime. I urge you to seek out experts in industry and talk to them about why this approach is fundamentally unworkable. I urge you to re-read 1984. I urge you to remember the abuses of the Hoover FBI. Mandatory key escrow is extremely dangerous stuff. I do not believe the government should have this power because of the enormous potential and temptation for its abuse. (Corruption does happen. Remember the case in California recently where DMV employees were selling driver's license information to supermarkets?). And any repository of escrowed keys would be a very attractive target for break-ins Mandatory key escrow would cripple important parts of our nation's software industry. Why should we do this just to make law enforcement's job a little easier? Americans need better, more ubiquitous encryption, not less, to protect us from crime. We don't need Big Brother, and that's exactly what mandatory escrow would give us. Sincerely, Landon Dyer Sr. Software Engineer ---------------- here's feinstein's reply, which i received a couple of days ago. i've transcribed it pretty carefully, and left the typos intact with [sic], any other typos are mine: ---------------- October 23, 1997 Dear Mr. Dyer: Thank you for contacting me regarding federal encryption policy. I appreciate your taking the time to write to me on this issues [sic]. It is important for me to hear from my California constituents as this debate continues. As you know, numerous legislative proposals have been put forth to amend or restructure encryption controls. Cryptographic, or encryption, software uses complex algorithms to scramble information, thus providing greater privacy for the information. I read your recent letter on encryption and believe that the attached San Jose Mercury News interview correctly states my views. As we both know, this is a complicated and difficult issue which affects many California constituencies. I am open to suggestions as to how vital privacy rights and public safety needs can be supported and protected. I value your opinion and appreciate you actively contributing to this legislative discusstion. As Congress proceeds to debate various encryption proposals, I look forward to a thorough review of this issue. While I want to promote business opportunity for U.S. firms I do not want to do so at the expense of law enforcement. Once again, thank you your [sic] correspondence. I hope that you will continue to share your thoughts and ideas with me. If I can be of further assistance, please to not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. office at 202/224-3841 With warmest personal regards, Sincerely yours, (signed) Dianne Feinstein Enclosure [enclosed: the 15-Sep-97 SJ Merc article on D.F.'s crypto curb support] -------------- nothing terribly surprising, really -- i wasn't expecting any response at all, though -landon

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Gary L. Burnore's Paranoid Hatred of Privacy and Anonymity
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: > :Most control freaks like Gary Burnore and the rest of the DataBasix Gang are > :hypocritical about privacy. They want to invade that of others at will while > :protecting their own. Gary Burnore and Belinda Bryan > :were worried that their UNLISTED PHONE NUMBERS might be given out, but anyone > :who dares criticize their actions with an "unlisted" e-mail address is an > :"anon asshole". > > So you'll post your address and phone number right away, right? You go first, since you claim you "have nothing to hide". Why would anyone with "nothing to hide" choose to "hide behind the skirts of" an unlisted phone number and street address? (Recognize the rhetoric? It's yours, not mine.) > :I'm still wondering what wondrous plans Gary and Belinda had for all > :those e-mail addresses of the users of the Huge Cajones Remailer if Jeff > :Burchell had turned them over to DataBasux as they had demanded. (Not just the > :senders but the RECIPIENTS as well!) > > > More lies from the anonymous asshole. I posted the URL. What part of it was a "lie"? Are you now denying that you demanded that Jeff Burchell turn over the sendmail logs from his Huge Cajones Remailer to you and Belinda Bryan? > : Fortunately, Jeff was smarter than your > :average Burnore and didn't keep such things around to tempt DataBasix, > :Scientology, etc., so we'll never find out. > > Supposidly, they weren't available. Now you're claiming he had them but kept > them private. What else will you accuse Jeff of? Jeff didn't do anything > wrong yet you constantly berate him. What do you have to gain by demeaning > Jeff? Haha! Nice try at IKYABWAI. I guess that's the best you at DataBasix can do to try to divert attention from your activities and tactics? You and Belinda were the anti-privacy control freaks who supposed that Jeff had created and maintained logs for abusive organizations like DataBasix and the Church of Scientology to demand. Jeff knew better all along and didn't keep such info to tempt people like you. Had you done your homework rather than blindly attacking Jeff and his remailer, you'd have known that such data didn't exist and could have saved yourselves the embarrassment of being caught trying to demand it. You still haven't stated your reason for demanding these logs which, had they existed, would have identified everyone who either sent or received anonymous messages through the Huge Cajones Remailer. What wonderful surprises lay in store for remailer users after their identities had fallen into your hands? > Why are you trying to get remailers shut down. Jeff Burchell NAMED his attackers. Would you care to point out my name in his post? (Yours is named rather often.): http://calvo.teleco.ulpgc.es/listas/cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com/HTML-1997… Your paranoid conspiracy theories remind me of the kid who blamed the mess in his bedroom on an invisible herd of stampeding elephants. ("Well of course you didn't see them, dad. They're INVISIBLE.") In your case, you speculate that there's a single "anonymous asshole" who's responsible for everything that you CLAIM has occurred. The problem is, you haven't proven that 90% of the stuff you *CLAIM* occurred even happened, let alone was the work of your imaginary lone "spam-baiting/forging/child-molesting/cyber-stalking/libeling" (did I miss anything?) so-called "anon asshole". How about some proof of your wild charges, Gary? Only one of us even USES remailers (or at least admits to it). You, OTOH, have never had a civil word to say about ANY anonymous poster. If remailers were shut down, I'd lose my ability to post. What would you lose, Gary? Is being able to identify your critics and single them out for harassment really that important to you?

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NSA News
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"National Cryptologic Strategy for the 21st Century": http://jya.com/nsa-ncs21.htm "UFO Documents Index" http://jya.com/nsa-ufo.htm "NSA's FOIA/PA Home Page" http://www.nsa.gov:8080/docs/efoia/ "National Vigilance Park" http://www.nsa.gov:8080/display/c130/ "During the Cold War period of 1945-1977, a total of more than 40 reconnaissance aircraft were shot down. The secrecy of the reconnaissance programs prevented recognition of the slain military personnel at the time of the incidents. Their loss was mourned by their fellow soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines in similar programs, but the fallen could not be accorded public honors. The end of the Cold War has allowed the United States to lift some of its security restrictions concerning the reconnaissance programs, permitting us at last to accord due recognition of the achievements and sacrifices of these intrepid military personnel, and to tell their stories. "

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by rem＠jaguar.dal-tek.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Cantsin package
by Steffen Zahn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, I have updated my package for Cantsin No. 2 signatures to the new version 0.3. New things: - faster key generation - a mechanism to allow the storage of the private key encrypted with an external encryption program. Example included. - it is possible to sign only a part of a document. Url: http://www.snafu.de/~zahn/cantsin.tar.gz (86 Kbytes) SHA1: 0EBF0D27794D800AB405C2857D7E05A35AFBDA43 -- home email: user@domain where domain=berlin.snafu.de, user=zahn Use of my address for unsolicited commercial advertising is forbidden. "Where do you want to crash today?" 25BA1A9F5B9010DD8C752EDE887E9AF3 [Cantsin Protocol No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antsin Protocol No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Re: 'Off' the parking pigs! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:45:46 -0500 > From: Eric Seggebruch - NYC SE <eric.seggebruch(a)East.Sun.COM> > Subject: Re: 'Off' the parking pigs! (fwd) > Actually it is possible for the government to get more than one shot at > a defendant through the doctrine of dual sovereignty (state and > federal). That is how they got the police officers involved in the > Rodney King incident. When the state court (California) jury let them > off, the feds prosecuted them for civil rights violations in federal > court. > > There you have it. We got nothing here. The fact is that the charges that were used at the state and federal level were different charges relating to the same incident. This is *not* double jeopardy in any sense of the word. Further, other than the Feds deciding to wait until the outcome of the state trial there was nothing that would have prevented them from filing in tandem. Furthermore, this rampant equating of federal and state rights is a real disservice to understanding the correct functioning of a democracy. State and federal government agencies are supposed to be equal and indipendant within the guidelines of the Constitution. As a result for a given act it is perfectly reasonable and actualy desirable for the state and federal agencies to file in parallel and indipendently. Re-read the 10th with this case in mind and perhaps it will clear the confusion up for you. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Burnore & Databasix
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: > :> >We'd expect no less. I do wonder how long it will take before those who > :> >believe remailers are a good thing start to realise this asshole has > :> >it in for them. Everything it posts could be used by the anti-remailer > :> >front as a reason to shut them all down. > : > :Much of this "anti-remailer front" works for DataBasix. > > Another lie from the anonymous asshole. Prove it. Of course, you can't. You're denying that you, Belinda Bryan, and William McClatchie are staff members of DataBasix? Are you denying that McClatchie used unproven allegations of "forgery" as his excuse to campaign to get the upstream providers of Jeff Burchell's "Mailmasher" server to disconnect him? Do you remember McClatchie's post which said: -> > I encourage anyone who is being forged due to the deliberate negligence -> > on toxic's part to write hotwired and MCI asking that mailmasher be shut -> > down until it can longer be used to commit forgeries. Did you catch that -- "asking that mailmasher be shut down"? Have your forgotten the time McClatchie was asked this question: -> >>If that was done, then a complaint to the operator would have gotten -> >>that particular pseudonym making the postings locked out. But your -> >>agenda seemed to be to get the entire server shut down. Why? To which he replied: -> > Becuase the shithead running it pissed me off with his responce that "He -> > had better things to do" and "Maybe i should learn mmail filtering" to -> > avoid the abuse. And then there's Jeff's account of what followed. Do you remember when you asked him: -> > : So are you suggesting that McClatchie did that all by himself? Just -> > : curious, I don't know the details. And his response: -> > Nope. McClatchie posted a spammed message that was offering Pirated -> > CD-ROMS for sale. He just happened to send it to a number of companies -> > that had software products included on the CD-ROM. They in turn handed -> > the matter over to the Software Publisher's Association, which then -> > took their usual witchhunting activities to a new art form (including -> > using a personal contact at Wired for professional "gain") You said that it was the "anti-remailer front" that was using this alleged "abuse" to get remailers shut down, but McClatchie was the one named by Jeff of playing that very role. I'd like to hear more about this "anti-remailer front" you speak of. Thus far, you've claimed that all the anonymous posts that have criticized you have all come from the same person. That doesn't sound like much of a "front". How about some more NAMES? Who else is involved in this "front"? > : Notice the classic > :disinformation tactics that Gary Burnore is engaging in here. > > Engaging in? You post disinformation after disinformation and post no proof > of your aligations. Posting REPORTS of disinformation is not disinformation. You have posted no proof for any of your disinformation. For example, your unsubstantiated claim that someone (you actually accused someone by name) of sending abusive e-mail, via a remailer, to an unnamed "teenage girl" who supposedly had a web page at DataBasix. Where is your proof of that accusation? Saying that an anonymous person "abused" an unnamed victim is pretty flimsy, don't you think? Then Belinda Bryan came along and claimed that this same person had supposedly forged posts through an anonymous remailer in the names of "every known email address of DataBasix staff and customers". Again, no evidence that it even occurred, nor even an explanation of how someone OUTSIDE of your company would get ahold of that kind of confidential information! > : But notice > :that Gary was part of this "anti-remailer front" that used ALLEGED forgeries > :and "spam baiting" to get two remailers shut down. > > Again. PROVE IT. Now it's TWO remailers? Before you said it was one. Again, > Burchell said he shut down the remailer after hundreds of complaints. You're > suggesting that those hundreds came from DataBasix? PROVE IT. You're forgetting Mailmasher and McClatchie's hissy fit to get it shut down? > : It is interesting that > :he now attributes the activities of himself and his associates at > :DataBasix with this unnamed "anti-remailer front". > > No, it's closer to the facts than your posts. You consistantly post harass > from a remailer your tactics are obvious. You won't win though. Too many > people WANT remailers. Your lies are not working. Free speech is now "harassment"? (Only in the world of DataBasix!) If you didn't want people talking about the things you've done, you shouldn't have done them in the first place. Exactly what "harassment" are you alleging? You mean posting replies to you and answering the questions you asked? You whine for "proof" then scream "harassment" when it is posted. Cute. > So what are YOU doing it for? It's obviously not a privacy thing. You were > attacking me long before I complained to Burchell to get my name blocked. You > obvously have other reasons for your attacks. You obviously have a short memory. Your letter to Jeff Burchell demanded that he turn over his logs to you identifying everyone who had sent and received anonymous e-mail through his remailer. This was MONTHS after you whined about alleged "forgeries" and were told about having your name blocked upon request. Unless you deliberately avoided taking the advice you had been given then blocking your address would have been a non-issue by June, since you were whining about "forgeries" in February. Or are you talking about your attempt to get posts that even MENTIONED your name in the body blocked? > :Which makes one wonder why Gary and Belinda wanted to get ahold of the logs > :from the Huge Cajones Remailer which would have identified anyone who ever > :sent or even received anonymous mail through that remailer. Gary and Belinda > :have consistently stonewalled that question. My guess is that they were > :counting on Jeff keeping that dirty little secret of theirs hidden. > > Which makes one wonder what else your demented little mind will think up next. > Your claims are false, NO PROOF, none. Claims? I asked a QUESTION. What use did you have in mind for Jeff's remailer logs which you demanded? Since you refuse to answer, let me repeat Jeff's theory. If it's incorrect, please feel free to correct it: -> Subject: Re: DataBasix vs. the Remailers -- Gary Burnore's Dirty Tricks Exposed (was: Jeff's Side of the Story.) -> From: toxic(a)hotwired.com (Jeff Burchell) -> Date: 1997/07/02 -> Message-ID: <5pc9mb$omg$1(a)re.hotwired.com> -> -> [...] -> -> : > Mr. Burnore requested a copy of my (non-existant) logs. -> : > I told him to get me something in writing, signed by his lawyer that -> : > stipulated that the logs were confidential, and not to be revealed to -> : > anyone outside of the lawyer's office. -> : -> : He requested the logs of the messages of *EVERYONE* using Huge -> : Cajones? What was his rationale for such a fishing expedition? -> : (Cases like this are a good reason for remailers to NOT keep logs.) -> -> I have no idea of his rationale. And I don't know of any remailer -> operator who keeps logs that would identify a user. I had my machine -> configured to log in a fairly standard way, but I used a different -> sendmail configuration for the remailer, that had all logging (except -> for certain error conditions) turned off. -> -> Part of me thinks he wanted the logs so he could tell if I was going -> to be able to identify him when he started his attacks. [...] > Yet, according to you I got his remailer shut down. Which is it? You claim I > got his remailer shut down but then you claim I didn't have the power to do > it. Go back and reread the post. It was the power to demand that Jeff turn over (non- existent) logs to you and Belinda that you didn't have. The rest makes no sense, because it's quite obvious that the remailer is SHUT DOWN.

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