December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

"Kids summit" -- CNNfn interview with SurfWatch president
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I'd still like to hear more on the inner workings of next week's "kids on the Net" summit from our friends at CDT who are sponsoring it. The lineup of speakers includes Janet Reno, Al Gore, and the secretaries of commerce and education. All joining together to Protect the Children! --Declan] ---- CNNFN SHOW: DIGITAL JAM 19:30 pm ET November 26, 1997; Wednesday 7:51 pm Eastern Time TYPE: INTERVIEW SECTION: Business LENGTH: 913 words HEADLINE: Kids & Cyberspace GUESTS: Michael Sears BYLINE: John Defterios BODY: JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNNfn ANCHOR, DIGITAL JAM: Next week family advocates, educators and industry leaders are coming together to discuss ways to keep children safe in cyberspace. One of the sponsors of the Internet Online Summit is Surfwatch a company that makes blocking software to help parents and teachers filter out objectionable content. Joining me now from Stanford, California to discuss the goals of the summit is Michael Sears. He is the president of Surfwatch. Michael it's great to have you on DIGITAL JAM. Welcome to you. MICHAEL SEARS, PRESIDENT, SURFWATCH: Thank you, a pleasure to be here. DEFTERIOS: First of all, let's discuss how this summit came about. Was it a building movement that finally crescendo. SEARS: I think it is. It's actually the outgrowth of what we did last June with President Clinton and Vice President Gore. In fact June and July time frame the CDA was overturned. The White House decided to take the initiative and asked the industry to get together to see what we can do to actually empower kids and enable kids Online. DEFTERIOS OK. What is the happy medium here, Michael because that's what everybody is really looking for because the Communications Decency Act did stumble and we had people on both side of the debate wanting to stake out their territory. What is , in your view, is the center ground? SEARS: Well, the debate will continue, but the center ground really is that it's all about kids. What we're talking about doing here is bringing together industry and law enforcement and public policy people and talking about to empower kids Online and give them effective tools. Effective tools that are also very easy to use. The idea behind that is how can kids actually get on the net, learn, research, discover, play and do it in a really enriching environment. But also we realize that there are a lot of safety concerns Online. That's probably what we're going to talk about primarily. DEFTERIOS: How about the ACLU, they were raising concerns about being blocked out here or filtration or censorship on the extreme. How do you deal with that side of - the people on that side of the debate? SEARS: It's a slippery slope. The idea here is do we block, companies like Surfwatch, do we block content Online. The idea once again is we target your typical 12 year old in the US. If that 12 year old should see a site or if that 12 years old needs to discover something we try to make sure that we have all of our technology, all of our processes in place to insure that information comes forward. Such as, we don't block the idea of breast, for instance, because breast could be talking about a chicken recipe. It could be talk about breast cancer. However, it it's a sexually explicit depiction or expression of that word that's where you come in and use filtering software to block. DEFTERIOS: There's another side to this, of course, that kids are often much more computer savvy than their parents. How do you over that hurtle? SEARS: That's a major hurdle. In fact we're talking about empowering kids with effective tools, but those tools have to be very easy to use and the ease of use isn't really for the kids because the kids know how to do this stuff. They know what's Online. They know what's out there and they know how to get there. What we really provide are the easy to use tools for mom and dad. So mom and dad pointing and clicking and turning switches on and off very easily can really control the family's environment. DEFTERIOS: As you know, this is a political hot potato for President Clinton because he didn't want to seem extreme on both side and he would like industry to work it out. When it is all said and done, Michael, what is the solution here? SEARS: Well, the solution that this market is all about is called parental control. Surfwatch started the market about three years ago and the word parental control itself was important not only because it's the software in the technology, but it because of those first two words, parental control. Mom and dad have to be involved. Mom and dad have to engage not only to help the kids Online, but also make sure that in chat rooms or with e-mail or with explicit pictures they can really sit down and talk to the kids and moderate what their kids are doing. We're just a tool. DEFTERIOS: This is not a government. Not to interrupt you, but we're almost out of time here. But this is, you're saying, not government intervention then. SEARS: Absolutely. DEFTERIOS: The technology is out there to let the families tackle this on their own. SEARS: That on and off switch should be in the hands of moms and dads not the government. DEFTERIOS: OK, great. How about your market share before we let you go tonight? How are you faring against your competition? SEARS: I think we're doing very well. All the buzz that's been happening over the last couple of months has helped our shares as well as our competitors. We've shipped millions of copies, 7.2 last July. We haven't done the survey lately, but we're clearly in the tens of millions right now. DEFTERIOS: OK. It's great to have you. SEARS: Great to be here. Thanks very much. DEFTERIOS: And have a nice Thanksgiving holiday. SEARS: Same to you. Take care. DEFTERIOS: My pleasure. Michael Sears, president of Surfwatch, joining us from Stanford, California.

1 0

Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 11:22:32 EST > My point was that Russia might have negotiated a better peace at Portmouth, NH, > if it wasn't forced to stop fighting by the general strike. And just exactly what does that have to do with contributing to the US becoming involved in WWII? > Actually, the Russians forced the japs out of port arthur in 1895 and took > it for themselves. But most times their strategy was to avoid conflict and > to let the japs take whatever japs wanted, such as Hokkaido. The point to this is that at the same time the US was taking the Hawaii's, Guam, and conquered the Philippines (costing 20,000 Filipinos & 4,000 Americans). The US itself was making grabs into that same pie. > > This was the battle of Chankufeng Hill (1938). My sources indicate the > > casualties were approx. 10,000 on each side. > > Sigh. My (Russian) sources refer to the incident as lake Khasan, and to the > hills by their Russian names: (vysoty) Zaozernaya and Bezymyannaya. Your > attempts to refer to Russian hills by their Korean names are a sure sign > russophobia and racism. Actualy it stems from my being an American and the names that are chosen for whatever reason. Pretty weak ad hominim. [deleted material - weapons count - relevancy unclear] > As for the innovative use of tanks by Zhukov, Huh? Who said anything about Zhukov being innovative? His main claim to fame is his disregard for casualties. > Ahem. I was talking about Hitler in 1941, not Napoleon in 1812. (Both fucked > up the psyops and alienated the popuilation which could have viewed them as > their liberators, but that's a different thread altogether.) > > Militarily speaking, by oct 16 Moscow was evacuated and useless to the > Soviets. The issue in both cases wasn't military. In Napoleon's case the capital wasn't Moscow, it was St. Petersburg. Moscow was an outpost the French over estimated the worth of. By not fighting for it the peoples sacrifice created a great political environment and also further depleted the French who weren't prepared for the weather. In the WWII case, Stalin couldn't afford to be seen backing down. > Learn to read. I was talking about Hitler's troops in October 1941. The road > to Moscow was clear, but the Germans didn't walk in. The Germans only got to the outskirts. And the records that I have indicate that it wasn't a cake walk. To quote a report that Bock made to Brauchitsch just after arriving from viewing Moscow from a front-line bunker: "I have last night relieved a divisional commander who reported that the Russians had repulsed his men with hammers and shovels." > I'm talking about 1941! Stalin decided to assume that the japs wreen't going > to attack, so he brought in fresh troops from Siberia. There was no assumption. Stalin had Sorge to tell him what was up. > By the way I feel that > from the game theortic point of view, if he knew nothing about jap intentions > (i.e., no Richard Sorge), they the right strategy would have been to assume > that the japs were not going to attack; for if they did, he would have been > fucked anyway. With the assumptions that the japs wouldn't attack, he was able > to beat off the germans. Assuming he had no intelligence, send out scouts. I would probably look at some form of contested withdrawal (the hardest kind of operation technicaly) to a set of stop-lines. I would use those stop lines for re-supply & re-organization. This would allow me to remove troops from the front lines and compensate with improved logistics over my opponent, whose supply lines only get longer and longer. I would in addition increase my intelligence resources (eg traffic monitoring & analysis) on that front. I would furher increase my air forces ability to bomb in close support to about 100 miles behind the front lines. The lines would be about 30-60 miles apart depending on terrain. Never under-estimate your enemy (that 'no intelligence' will bite you in the ass *every* time) and have a clear goal. I would attempt to pull some troops from the eastern front because the Japanese supply lines would be long and external, while mine get shorter and are internal. This would allow me an edge on the typical 3:1 ratio. I would further recognize that while I had lots of natural resources in that area but few urban areas physical control for a short period while resolving the western front is acceptable. If something like the US entering were to occur I would then put a light covering screen and pull troops out because the Japanese don't have the resources to fight on that many fronts. > Possibly. I was responding to your (outright silly) claim that Mussolini > invaded Ethiopia to "impress" Hitler. No, I claim that *one* of the issues involved was to be able to appear at the bargaining table as Hitlers equal. Material refering to these motives are in Ciano's diary. Mussolini was wanting the entire episode to be seen as a grand adventure. He wanted Italy to be seen as an adventersome country with the cutting edge in political systems successfuly fulfilling its rightful place in history. In short, he wanted to be seen as the 'good guy'. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

1 0

Request for Jim Bell Update
by cvhd＠indyweb.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone have a pointer to a Jim Bell update page or source? Thanks

2 1

Re: Request for Jim Bell Update
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Anyone have a pointer to a Jim Bell update page or source? Here's recent Jim Bell material: http://jya.com/jimbell6.htm (news stories on Bell's sentencing) http://jya.com/next-wave.htm (US News on CB terrorism, stars JB) http://jya.com/jibell-dock4.htm (latest court dockets for USA v. Bell) For earlier info access backwards in each series: ../jimbell5, etc.; ../jimbell-dock3.htm, etc. Not aware of a source for the classified version but the public version of "Assassination Politics" is at: http://jya.com/ap.htm

1 0

Advertisement: Web Site Hosting
by info＠infowatch.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you wish to be excluded from any future mailings, type "remove" in subject header and hit reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.infowatch.net InfoWatch would like to introduce our complete Hosting and Promotional service. FOR ONLY $29.95 PER MONTH ! * 30 MB (megabytes) of disk space * 1000 MB = 1 GB (gigabyte) of data transfer per month * 8 E-mail accounts * INTERNATIONAL Hosting * Access to your account anytime via the Web Control Panel * MS Front Page * Unlimited FTP updates * Personal CGI directory for your own scripts (or use ours) * Advanced web statistics analyzer program * E-mail forwarding, auto responders, and vacation reply * Domain name registration (www.yourname.com) * Register your domain with over 250 search engines - FREE! * Friendly customer support * Inquire about our $24.95/month plan If for any reason you are not satisfied with InfoWatch's service after 30 days, we will transfer you back to your original host and pay any transfer fees. http://www.infowatch.net info(a)infowatch.net

1 0

Is Tim May guilty of illegally advocating revolution?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So I've been reading "Freedom and the Court" by Henry Abraham, and a passage in it made me think of Tim May and the cypherpunks list: "//Actual, overt// incitement of the overthrow of the government of the United States by force and violence, accompanied by the language of direct and imminent incitement, is not freedom of expression but a violation of Court-upheld legislative proscriptions; yet the //theoretical// advocacy of such overthrow, on the other hand, has been a judicially recognized protected freedom since 1957." [See Yates v. United States, 354 U.S. 298 (1957), particularly Mr. Justice Harlan's opinion for the 6:1 court.] (Emphasis in the original. --DM) Some civil liberties lawyers, incidentally, have told me that Internet messages almost by definition are probably not "direct and imminent incitement." Some excerpts from Yates v. United States: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=354&p… 9 The essential distinction [354 U.S. 298, 325] is that those to whom the advocacy is addressed must be urged to do something, now or in the future, rather than merely to believe in something. [...] Instances of speech that could be considered to amount to "advocacy of action" are so few and far between as to be almost completely overshadowed by the hundreds of instances in the record in which overthrow, if mentioned at all, occurs in the course of doctrinal disputation so remote from action as to be almost wholly lacking in probative value. Vague references to "revolutionary" or "militant" action of an unspecified character, which are found in the evidence, might in addition be given too great weight by the jury in the absence of more precise instructions. Particularly in light of this record, we must regard the trial court's charge in this respect as furnishing wholly inadequate guidance to the jury on this central point in the case. We cannot allow a conviction to stand on such "an equivocal direction to the jury on a basic issue." -Declan

4 3

Algorithms
by emmanuel coutris 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I search to program an encoder and decoder. I know the RSA encryption method but I don't know how to apply it to a file (I have programmed it only with numbers). Can you send me the way I can apply this algorithm to files (binary and text). Manu

1 0

Free Online Marketing Course!
by mentor＠mail.bip.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=================================== ARE YOU READY TO MAKE HISTORY? =================================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who Are We? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ We are a group of professionals who have researched business trends and market practices in search of an intelligent, practical way for the average person to earn income in today's market place. By utilizing the latest technology and time proven marketing techniques we have developed a system that allows an individual to compete in the fast pace business world of tomorrow. You are about to be exposed to one of the most explosive and innovated opportunities to ever hit the business world. This opportunity is utilizing the two most powerful mediums in the history of mankind. Those two mediums are Network Marketing and the Internet. NOTE: With a market of over100 million people on the Internet and projected to double by the end of this year, we know that we are about to make History! With the Latest in Technology we are able to offer to the average individual something that before was beyond the average persons abilities. We are building an intranet of people that is as powerful as a runaway locomotive. As you well know Network Marketing is nothing more than a numbers game as like any other business. Utilizing the power of the internet, we can reach people by the masses for little or no cost. When you go through the numbers your chance of success is much greater. How would it feel if you could have an opportunity that only multi - million dollar companies could have. Well here is your chance, you can receive a self replicating web site that is *commerce enabled for FREE just by getting involved with us. A site that is able to both qualify and sponsor new distributors into your business or allow customers to just buy products with out the hassle of an inventory in your home, its all done online. (* the average commerced enable Web Site cost $ 1.2 million) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What Have We Done So Far? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We already have hundreds of distributors joining us and we haven't even begun yet. Our marketing group has shattered all previous records in the company we are teamed up with. Who would of thought. For Example: 1st level of accomplishment in our vendor company is called Platinum Executive. The fastest that level was achieved in the companys 14 year history was 9 days. We achieved this in just one hour of announcing this opportunity to just a few people. The next major level of achievement is 4 Star Platinum. The previous record was six months. Our group achieved this in only two weeks. Through out the development stage of this campaign we have over 20 Platinums, twelve 2 Star Platinums and two 4 Star Platinums. This a true and solid home based business opportunity. And the timing couldnŽt be better for you. You are definetely at the right place at the right time. And we are here 24 hours/day for Your success! We are still in prelaunch! So now itŽs up to you! <<<<<< MAKE A DESCISION TODAY >>>>>>> Do You want to watch or play? Get started today! Just to show You how commited we are to Your success we offer You to participate in a FREE online marketing course, whether You decide to join us or not. ============================================== Get more info about us and the online marketing course immediately. Just send an email to the following address: mailto:mentor@mail.bip.net Please put the word info in the subject line. ==============================================

1 0

How to overcome the apparent media boycott of Pauline Hanson's new biography
by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear One Nation supporter in NSW, It has come to our attention that the newly released authorised biography of "Pauline, the Hanson Phenonenon" is apparently not being stocked by major book sellers in most Australian states. The big exception to the rule is Queensland where publicity and coverage was given to the book launch and resulting sales in this state have been excellent. This media coverage has simply not occured in the other states. Media monitor show that only "The West Australian" and "The Canberra Times" covered the book launch or any subsequent publicity of any note. Reading between the lines News Limited, who dominate the print press, have totally ignored the book. We would ask you to contact your local major book seller to make a copy of the book available in their store, book details as follows: "Pauline, The Hanson Phenomenon" by Helen Dodd, publishers Boolarong Press, Queensland ISBN #0646332171. This action will result in the book being ordered by your local book store who have the details on how to make orders for the book. If they say they do not wish to order or stock the book please contact GWB with the details of the bookstore. It is important to note that the book store does not pay for the book as it is on consignment and anything that they do not sell is returned to the publisher so their is no financial cost to the book store. We are confident that the book will be sold, based on extraordinary sales in Queensland, but without the publicity the general public will not be aware that the book is available. It appears that the mainstream media are attempting to prevent the book reaching its potential audience Australia wide. Your assistance in overcoming this apparent act of censorship would be greatly appreciated. GWB Scott Balson.

1 0

National Poetry Contest
by ultramax＠206.105.237.162 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SUBJECT: Poetry Contest, Win $3000.00 TEXT OF MESSAGE: -N A T I O N A L P O E T R Y F O R U M- You are invited to submit a poem to the National Poetry Forum. All works will be read by our staff of award winning poets and writers, and you will receive a "Critical Analysis Report" with detailed professional comments and thoughts on your poetry. The top 25 poems received, as determined by our judges, will be awarded cash prizes including a $3,000.00 Grand Award. The National Poetry Forum, based in New York, looks for fresh new talent in writers and poets like you. We employ award winning professional poets to analyze all poetry as well as judge them for award eligibility on the basis of creativity and literary content. With the writers permission, the 25 award winning poems will be "displayed" on our web site. -RULES AND GUIDELINES- -Send us ONE poem, any style and on any subject, no more than 25 lines typed and single spaced on an 8x11 sheet of paper. -In the upper left corner should be: -Title of Poem -Your Name -Your Street Address -City, State, Zip -Your E-Mail Address -Send poem along with a $10.00 fee (this fee is both for the Critical Analysis Report and for entry into Award Eligibility). Make checks payable to "National Poetry Forum" -All poems must be received by January 15, 1998. -CRITICAL ANALYSIS REPORT: You will receive a personal Critical Analysis Report regardless of award status. This report will contain comments on your poetry and professional insight into the use of the poetic styles and techniques found in your work. You will receive report by March 15. -AWARDS: Money awards will be given for the top 25 poems, as determined by our judges. The Grand Award is $3,000.00. If your poetry is aming the top 25, you will receive your award along with the Critical Analysis Report. -DEADLINE: January 15. Send poem along with a $10.00 non-refundable fee to: National Poetry Forum PO Box 381 New York, NY 10040 **Make checks payable to "National Poetry Forum" -QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? Feel free to E-Mail us at NatPoeFor(a)aol.com Visit our web site at http://members.aol.com/NatPoeFor/poetry.html Please note: The National Poetry Forum does not retain the rights to any poetry or literary works received. All poems are the sole property of the writer.

1 0