December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [NOISE] Chi Sun Times SS# Sweepstakes
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:54 AM 11/27/95 -0600, Alex Strasheim wrote: >The Chicago Sun-Times is running a contest in which readers are asked to >send in their social security numbers. Someone will win a cash prize >after a random drawing. > >I can't figure out the angle on this. If they simply want to run a >promotional contest, why are they asking for ssn's? If there's an >ulterior motive, what is it? Are they going to sell the list? Would they >have a use for it themselves? Alex - There may be *an ulterior motive* of getting the person's ssn, i.e., for the purpose of the newspaper (and the winner) reporting winnings to IRS. In addition, the newspaper may also feel that, in selecting a 10-digit number, it probably will not repeat such as someone's birthdate. Personally, I lean towards the former. > >The frustrating thing is that there are probably many millions of >Americans who will give away the keys to the store for next to nothing. >The feds probably made a tactical error: instead of trying to force >mandatory key escrow down our throats, they ought to have offered everyone >who is willing to submit to voluntary escrow a chance to win a Chrysler >Minivan. I agree with you. I believe *greed* is the operating word.... Regards- Lynne ******************************************************* Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | "The key to life: Poughkeepsie, New York | - Get up; E-mail: | - Survive; lharrison(a)mhv.net | - Go to bed." *******************************************************

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by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From POP3(a)abaco.coastalnet.com. Sat Nov 25 21:32:38 1995 Return-Path: <dkincaid(a)home.dave.us> Received: from home.dave.us (pm-nb1-49.coastalnet.com) by abaco.coastalnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03138; Sat, 25 Nov 95 21:30:18 EST Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:00:16 -0800 Resent-From: dkincaid(a)home.dave.us Resent-Message-Id: <9511260230.AA03138(a)abaco.coastalnet.com> Received: by home.dave.us id AA01536 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for cn1290(a)coastalnet.com) Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:27:17 -0500 Resent-To: cn1290(a)coastalnet.com Message-Id: <m0tJUWY-0008yoC(a)pacifier.com> X-Sender: jimbell(a)pacifier.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Sender: jimbell(a)pacifier.com (jim bell) From: jimbell(a)pacifier.com (jim bell) To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Cc: vznuri(a)netcom.com Subject: Re: Gingrich, "crypto coalition" & dysfunctional philosophy Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:00:16 -0800 The detweiler tentacle is afraid to debate me... >To: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> >From: jimbell(a)pacifier.com (jim bell) >Subject: Re: Gingrich, "crypto coalition" & dysfunctional philosophy > >>well, I don't really care about convincing anarchists that you're >>a bozo. it's reasonable people who it would scare me if they began >>to take you seriously. > >Then start being "scared." I guess you have lots of practice. > >> frankly I'm not convinced that anyone with >>half a brain is taking you seriously. > >I don't have to convince you of anything! You wimped out! You claimed that you would be happy to debate me IN PUBLIC! Well, I did and you ran away with you tail between your legs! > >Stop being a wuss! If you're as correct as you claim you are, you have no reason to fear. Debate, dammit! >

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by aleph＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From POP3(a)abaco.coastalnet.com. Sat Nov 25 21:32:39 1995 Return-Path: <dkincaid(a)home.dave.us> Received: from home.dave.us (pm-nb1-49.coastalnet.com) by abaco.coastalnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03139; Sat, 25 Nov 95 21:30:20 EST Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:02:29 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: dkincaid(a)home.dave.us Resent-Message-Id: <9511260230.AA03139(a)abaco.coastalnet.com> Received: by home.dave.us id AA01530 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for cn1290(a)coastalnet.com) Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:26:44 -0500 Resent-To: cn1290(a)coastalnet.com Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951124235921.16448A(a)dfw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Sender: Aleph One <aleph1(a)dfw.net> From: Aleph One <aleph1(a)dfw.net> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Cypherpunk Certification Authority Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:02:29 -0600 (CST) Since now Netscape allows for user defined certification authorities I would like to hear some ideas for a Cybpherpunk CA. Probably run by one of the respected member in the group such as Sammer, Perry or Tim. I would like to hear some discussion about creating the certificates based on the web of trust of your PGP key, etc. Any takers? Aleph One / aleph1(a)dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01

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Learning about Elliptic Curves
by norm＠mediacity.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have found an easy introduction to elliptic curves. It is "Rational Points on Elliptic Curves" by Joseph H. Silverman & John Tate. (Springer-Verlag ISBN: 0-387-97825-9 or 3-540-97825-9) It is a breezy undergraduate introduction. It emphasizes the mathematical elegance. It mentions crypto applications but does not delve deeply. Schneier recommends "Elliptic Curve Public Key Cryptosystems" by Alfred J. Menezes. (Kluwer Academic Publishers ISBN: 0-7923-9368-6) That book has only a very compressed theory section which already requires knowledge of field theory. I think that the first book is a good intro to the second, which does cover crypto applications. What I learned is that elliptic curves are an alternative to finite fields for crpto purposes. Here is what they have in common: There are many (2^70 -- 2^2000) values any one of which can be represented in the machine in constant space. a_i is the ith one of these values. If someone sends you a_i it is real hard to figure out what i is. There is an operation that isn't too expensive for computing a_(i+j) given a_i and a_j. For some big integer i you can compute a_i in about (log i)^3 steps. For RSA, knowing how to do these two computations does not reveal what the period of the sequence is, i.e. what is the first i after 0 such that a_0 = a_i. Knowing the period is tantamount to knowing the private key.

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Re: crypto for porno users
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"moroni(a)scranton.com" "Moroni" 25-NOV-1995 16:21:44.10 I'm soory but I don't care if the images come from mars . Jerking off to the images of kids is sick. ---------------------------- That's your opinion, and thus your problem to be dealt with by you. Yes, I'm calling that a _problem_. If it makes you want to harm others who aren't harming anyone else, then it's a problem. I also have my doubts as to whether you can honestly deny ever being attracted by a young teenager, even as an adult. But your sexual preferences are not my business, any more than anyone else's are of yours. I will refrain from posting further on cypherpunks about this, since it's getting far from the purpose of the list. Feel free to reply in private email. -Allen

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REPOST: Amnesia Remailer
by Scott Kenney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Excuse the repost but I was asked to do this again !MIME :) The amnesia remailer is now available for public use: amnesia is a combination mixmaster/type 1 remailer supporting the following capabilities: <amnesia.chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub Encrypted: PGP - header ## - pasting Latency: - header Cutmarks: - header Encrypt-Key: - header Due to the nature of my mail connection there is an automatic variable latency of 0-180 minutes. The reordering pool is set to 5 presently. amnesia is currently running the following software: Lance Cottrell's Mixmaster v.2.0.3beta6 Lance Cottrell's Reordering package. John Fleming's Freedom Remailer v.1.00 (upgrading to 1.6beta soon) Hopefully USENET posting capability will be added soon. The remailer keys are attached. Scott Kenney =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com e320fd79c4c229decabe4d486bd84394 2.0.2 - -----Begin Mix Key----- e320fd79c4c229decabe4d486bd84394 258 AASlry72N9LH8PxZ2oyfETBsL/BTgi9XAVnRJ/61 poZOwA+JJ7hmok+3PCjRJyyT+e8zbzxKIcYoJneP 8alFIy/YHhFbzBHwqfRnakULVGdAKhonR4M2lqNc VWO+uiFdCxafVe0ZONjFQIrcr1EUS5bIQEBpf+fz 3wVkzzQ+ifOITwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAB - -----End Mix Key----- - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzB86y8AAAEEAKEWFiS8DqxtyTacR9DOIcRqpRTkxdlq6UY4FxBzy16C0N3S dspQkwAQR5dDQqZ2JSRJ6m+iE0l+3OohZn44xMj/cbKUDFQon3Vh6vCBVvABPc1N aY1X9x9H7FzPOWsc4pivVbzJB3luw6+gzZ2zYAN/nX0oi9LoCrM8PpA8rdoFAAUR tDhBbW5lc2lhIFJlbWFpbGVyIFR5cGUgSSBLZXkgPGFtbmVzaWFAY2hhcmRvcy5j b25uaXguY29tPokAlQMFEDCB9D2zPD6QPK3aBQEB+6sEAIL/OtuErDiVpOqRARQQ I0yWWTU1tyT11Bl+Kmx1Sf5p1JyE2Z6bt3tPLflDyek2NY42tNV0k8cbig4Q9kvP 5GwCUcKRexiWVJFUpF6FABL2wZZMltt7nMmtxRwxw+LsMra7dYhPSaYewNNHKQ7C xcYKPxTg5HkCg7leqtEp2H9p =6+JZ - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMLgNDZQgY7wl3Gh1AQGUVQQA05aN+xx4sVVohysVN8xrvsvc5KxP/82y sLUHCerLEsKH2EHnb1mcoT8Ayu+nrp+0YU+/di2QNF+AMMONhP/J0OQJt7odqbFM ZgxUmyX9ya1UnRmZDiTEubGsUWeOMt9IZoeLryzMgYcB9502GpvMZWp8r6YFW5vN nEphpRRncWY= =Abso -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: So. FL Cypherpunks Keysigning/Party
by jpb＠miamisci.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Ray (liberty(a)gate.net) announced a South Florida Cypherpunks meeting for the night of Wednesday, November 29th at the Abbey Brewing Company on South beach. >Location: >The Abbey Brewing Company (305) 538-8110 >1115 16th Street, Miami Beach > >Directions: >[From North: Take I-95 South to 195 exit, over to the beach, and go South >on Alton Road. Look for a green sign that says "BAR" atop the building.] >[From South: Take I-95 North to 395 exit, over to the beach, and go North >on Alton Road. Look for a green sign that says "BAR" atop the building.] I am proposing that all cypherpunks planning on attending the meeting email me their PGP key fingerprint between now and noon on the 29th. I'll collate them and print enough copies of the fingerprint checklist for all who've announced that they're planning to attend. At the meeting, you can verify (or not, not my business, really) the fingerprints with the other attendees. Afterwards, we'll exchange keys via email and sign them at home and mail them back to their owners. I'll set up an email list so that each person can email out their key once they've merged all the signatures. Suggestions as to how to streamline this process are welcome. For more information on the meeting, contact Jim at liberty(a)gate.net Joe Block <jpb(a)miamisci.org> "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." -- Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMLgL5WGnwFiC3O2NAQHxwAgAu6kSVBfEwBYGwNaYbw5OOjNxP6j49T5F h2z7WIKhehq94yiT+WhyijMscCqlGUTsBp3aDVFYY9n2/ONXr+MyGIMoTst0dvsv dXhuguIcBTuvImTddGA4MNZG7eUibO/r98BPJlF9iRfHTwpCOXOsNJGit+ONSB++ Cy8xgAFUiAUaOvNbi63pTnELoyCmBvFqhROqspeUmRGYYHZj4w3DF3nEH+XED31K vVx7FFpejIeBBfhk72T7vL0L+cu17R4uIhOgmqUmHIw7k7rmLxf+z7f7fNAwQpPi yjEsyXPtKwENXV2kRSc12O8XjwNoKiQBfuGBDpSfqbev4fkwoMuoyA== =z9sP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- signoff 2048bit-Fingerprint: 74 64 C7 6F 51 72 36 3D 87 75 F9 F5 2A F6 8F 74 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help Phil! email zldf(a)clark.net or see http://www.netresponse.com/zldf

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Re: crypto for porno users
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:14 PM 11/25/95 -0500, Moroni wrote: > > I'm soory but I don't care if the images come from mars . Jerking off >to the images of kids is sick. An image of a sixteen year old girl masturbating is classified as child pornography in American law: Think about how old you were when you first engaged in sexual acts. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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[FYI] FBI Training Eastern European Police
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[ from: The Hungary Report #1.28, free weekly, direct from Budapest ] [ retransmitted to list without permission to increase distribution ] FBI School Teaches New Tricks to Old Enemies By Susan Milligan Copyright (c) 1995 In matching navy blue polo shirts, the students sat transfixed as they watched slides showing the destruction of the Oklahoma City and World Trade Center bombings. "God forbid you should ever have anything like this happen over here," American instructor Ed Burwitz told his Central European class, outfitted with headphones for simultaneous translation of the lecture. "It is a tough task for any freedom-loving country to prevent terrorism," he added. The class on forensics is typical of what goes on in law enforcement academies across America. But in this classroom, the instructors are teaching crime-fighting tactics to students from onetime enemy nations. "This could not have happened five years ago," said Laszlo Simon, the Hungarian director of the International Law Enforcement Academy here. "We don't preach or teach," said Leslie Kaciban, the American director of the newly-opened facility. Instead, the American instructors - culled from the FBI and other law enforcement agencies - share information and experiences with the students for them to adapt to their systems. Students from Hungary, Russia, Poland, the Czech Republic and other Central and Eastern European nations attend ILEA's 8-week sessions, the first of which began in April. The United States fronted $2.5 million to renovate the campus, which includes a brand-new gym, classrooms, dormitories and one of Hungary's few indoor tennis courts. The Hungarian government contributed $500,000 to renovate the facility, but the U.S. will pay the $3.5 million yearly cost to operate the center, which is modeled after the law enforcement training center in Quantico, Va. The facility looks like any other college campus - students go on field trips together, take "wellness" physical fitness class together, and will have a yearbook and alumni newsletter. The idea is to help the Eastern Europeans with their burgeoning crimes problems, as well as to foster cooperation on international crime problems. "I'm amazed at the freedom of travel that is possible" after the opening up of the Eastern nations, Burwitz said. But "that means criminals can travel as well," he said, allowing them to traffic drugs and contraband. "The more interaction we have with these countries in law enforcement, the better it will be for emerging democracies," Kaciban said. Class topics range from "human dignity" - how to treat a crime suspect - to undercover operations and fraud. April's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City is being used as an example in several classes. In "crisis management," students will learn "how to contain it (a crisis) and keep it from erupting," said instructor Stephen Brooks, who helped handle the Oklahoma City bombing. Big-scale bombings are not common to this part of the world, students said. But they said they learned a lot about how to fight organized crime, which is mushrooming in the aftermath of the fall of communism. "They told they have a lot of problems (with organized crime), and that it's better if we learn from their mistakes," said Hungarian student Vilmos Szeplaki. Organized crime is doubly damaging to the emerging nations, because it undermines their economies, Kaciban said. Investors are naturally reluctant to dump money into a nation if they believe there is rampant corruption. Some teachings do not translate for the European students. For example, there is no Russian RICO - the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act that is one of the strongest American legal tools against organized crime. Eastern European crime syndicates tend not to be based in crime families, instructors said. And organized crime in Russia and Ukraine is so much a part of the society, that it's hard to stop it, said Amy O'Neil, a State Department official not involved in the ILEA. "Under the communist system, you basically did what you could get away with. Everyone broke laws," O'Neil said. "That's how you survived." Both students and teachers said there was a remarkable similarity, however, in the use of evidence and investigatory tools among the countries. Eastern Europeans are very familiar with the use of DNA testing, for example, to identify suspects, although they don't always have the money to do it, Burwitzsaid."There are different orders of laws between the U.S. and here," said a Czech student who would identify himself only as Milan. "But essentially, we have the same methods of investigation." * * * Susan Milligan <susan.milligan(a)magnet.hu> is a free-lance writer and stringer for the Boston Globe, the San Francisco Examiner, Business Central Europe and Hollywood Reporter.

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Re: Cypherpunk Certification Authority
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 25 Nov 1995, Aleph One wrote: > On Sat, 25 Nov 1995, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > > Hmmm. If someone is willing to find out what is needed to become a > > C.A. and to run one, and it turns out not to be particularly onerous, > > I or one of my corporate alter egos might be willing. I must say, > > though, that being an anti-fan of X.509 the situation would be ironic... > > > > Perry > > Well from Netscape perspetive as far as I know you need nothing. Basicly > when the browser finds a new CA that it does know about it promts > the user and through a series of dialog boxes the user chooses to trust > it or not. Gee, wasn't that clever of Netscape?? Lilies that fester smell worse than weeds ... people should remember that. (I think Shakespeare first wrote that in one of his sonnets ...) > (Well that is theory, and what netscape release notes say, since > I dont have access to an SSL server right now, and would need to figure > out how to make my own certificate, I havent tried it). Bingo. *theory* ... right ... I mean what would be the point?? Installing Netscape degrades your inherent system security. No ifs, ands, or buts. Netscape Navigator basically destroys whatever sense of privacy or security, any person ever had the illusion of having. And that pretty well rules out CA. Alice de 'nonymous ... ...just another one of those... ...hunters... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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