December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cats Out of Bags
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Interestingly, the saying, "to let the cat out of the bag" is > related to the saying, "to buy a pig in a poke." A poke is a > sack or bag. In times past, street peddlers would sell a mark a > young pig. The pig was supposedly put into a poke, but in fact, > a bag with a cat in it was substituted. By the time the mark > figured out his mistake by "letting the cat out of the bag," the > peddler was long gone. The lesson the mark learned was "Don't > buy a pig in a poke." Thankyou Sandy for this highly crypto-relevant commentary presumably posted to the censored list so anyone with an interest in cryptography, cats and pigs can be suitably enlightened. Even if it wasn`t this would still be unworthy of the flames list. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Cocksucker
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Cyphernomicon by Tim May
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

3.5.1 Contrary to what people sometimes claim, there is no ruling clique of Cypherpunks. Anybody is free to do nearly anything, just not free to commit others to course of action, or claim to speak for the "Cypherpunks" as a group (and this last point is unenforceable except through reputation and social repercussions). 3.6.3 "Why isn't the list moderated?" ...hardly consistent with many of our anarchist leanings, is it? - "No, please, let's not become a 'moderated' newsgroup. This would be the end of freedom!

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Re: Key Security Question
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Foley wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:51:47 -0800, Toto wrote: >> If the repairman has your pubring and secring files, you can now >> consider them in the same light as a 'busted flush'. > > The secret key is encrypted using the same IDEA algorithm that PGP > uses to encrypt your files. If you trust IDEA, your key is as safe as > your passphrase (not at all if you have no passphrase, not much if > it's easily guessable, etc.) Send me your secring file. I have a new password-buster I'd like to try out on it. > If your computer repairman has the capability to crack strong 128-bit > ciphers, I'd be rather worried :-) He doesn't have to crack the cipher, he only needs to find the password. > On the other hand, there's always the possibility of your passphrase > being on the disk, say in a swap file, somewhere. Same goes for > plaintext of any encrypted files/messages. I doubt anyone's gonna go > hunting through your swap file, "empty" sectors, etc., looking for it, > though, unless you've done something to really piss him off lately :-) Or if he's a member of the CypherPunks list, read the message, and now considers it to be a personal challenge. Toto

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List
by Talbert Newhart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please put me on the Cypherpunk list.

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Re: Libel & the 1st Amendment
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mark M. wrote: > If the legal concept of libel is abandoned, this presumption will largely > disappear. People will have to rely on the credibility of the source, instead > of whether or not the victim of libel has sued. God forbid that people should have to use their judgement and their brains, rather than their overly charged emotions. Toto

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Cyphernomicon by Tim May
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

3.5.1 Contrary to what people sometimes claim, there is no ruling clique of Cypherpunks. Anybody is free to do nearly anything, just not free to commit others to course of action, or claim to speak for the "Cypherpunks" as a group (and this last point is unenforceable except through reputation and social repercussions). 3.6.3 "Why isn't the list moderated?" ...hardly consistent with many of our anarchist leanings, is it? - "No, please, let's not become a 'moderated' newsgroup. This would be the end of freedom!

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Re: "Secret" Postal Device stolen
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:18 AM 2/1/97 GMT, Rob wrote: >On 31 Jan 1997 15:26:16 -0500, Jim Ray wrote: > >>from http://www.herald.com/dade/digdocs/021949.htm >>Postal Service offers $25,000 reward for stolen . . . something > Mail Storage Box keys? DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMvNVkoVO4r4sgSPhAQG18AQA2g//lN1jUva1emDq/uQMNRy+1mIA/+Ug 5+0INso7kvCflVbterNDpWo0XoWR9tLrZ013vtcygaWUb07m/AWYBu/K322Tp7Zl nGDaGXFvUHLdJM+hgXyxQZoK/kfWqBiHw0zxczqr3LuwyDUQgFjrHcJb+/TKphBY JwdTTPZJNC0= =uGDj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Key Security Question
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Foley wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:51:47 -0800, Toto wrote: >> If the repairman has your pubring and secring files, you can now >> consider them in the same light as a 'busted flush'. > > The secret key is encrypted using the same IDEA algorithm that PGP > uses to encrypt your files. If you trust IDEA, your key is as safe as > your passphrase (not at all if you have no passphrase, not much if > it's easily guessable, etc.) Send me your secring file. I have a new password-buster I'd like to try out on it. > If your computer repairman has the capability to crack strong 128-bit > ciphers, I'd be rather worried :-) He doesn't have to crack the cipher, he only needs to find the password. > On the other hand, there's always the possibility of your passphrase > being on the disk, say in a swap file, somewhere. Same goes for > plaintext of any encrypted files/messages. I doubt anyone's gonna go > hunting through your swap file, "empty" sectors, etc., looking for it, > though, unless you've done something to really piss him off lately :-) Or if he's a member of the CypherPunks list, read the message, and now considers it to be a personal challenge. Toto

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Re: Libel & the 1st Amendment
by Peter J. Capelli 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mark M. wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Jim Choate wrote: > > > > * Many 1st Amendment experts don't believe in the legal concept of libel. > > > It is, they say, a rich man's game > > > > Exactly, instead of equal protection under the law we have a specieocracy. > > Anyone can afford a contingency-free attorney as long as the plaintiff has a > good chance of being awarded damages. This has the benefit that the legal > system doesn't get overcrowded with frivolous cases. You mean to say, rich people can overcrowd the courts as much as they like, while others are restricted by contigency-only lawyers ( Call 1-800-AMBULANCE! ) ... and what of the case of a rich person trying to control a poor one with many frivolous lawsuits ... while they can afford to file lawsuit after lawsuit, the poor person cannot defend himself. -- Pete Capelli, CNE UB Networks, Inc. pcapelli(a)ub.com ****** Finger pete(a)idaho.ubisg.com for my PGP Public key! ****** They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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