December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Mondex -Reply
by Raymond Mereniuk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>> Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> 10/19/96, 12:00am >>> Timothy C. May must have been sharing needles with a rabid hedgehog. To Anonymous Just as a matter of interest, my own personal interest, what type of society do you come from? The insults are not the type normally originating from a person of the American type culture as these insults would mean nothing to the average American. I have been to places where people give serious concern to such statements but I doubt many people in those places read this list and I doubt anyone on this list does anything but delete your messages. But, please give me a hint where you developed this classy style of insulting the character of Mr T. C. May. Normally Lurkin Raymond

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Re: is there no end to AP & Creative Wiretap Arguments? [RANT]
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Schear wrote: > >Steve Schear wrote: [snip] > >If you read the US declaration of Independence it is very clear that its > >authors rejected natural law arguments. The rights that they hold to be > >"self evident" are extreemly abstract principles which could be > >justified within almost any ethical system. The removal of the word > >"God" was deliberate and reflects a concious rejection of the natural > >law argument. I read the DOI, and its meaning was clear. It stated that while people are disposed to put up with the excesses of govt. to a certain bearable extent, that when the govt. tilted toward totalitarianism, the people should revolt. How can you say "Self Evident" and "extremely abstract" in the same context? Self evident merely means that when you subtract out the factors of disinformation that are applied in political/economic areas to guarantee the cash flow to the bosses, you can see clearly that nobody has a Right, "divine" or whatever, to rule someone else. It's not abstract, religious, or anything. Think of the analogy in sound reproduction. The salesman is trying to tell you that perfect reproduction doesn't exist, so you should consider that $20,000 system to be like a "very fine musical instrument". On the other hand, your finely-tuned mind is aware that there is an "true original" sound that you're trying to reproduce, and whether it's 100% attainable is not the relevant issue. In other words, don't let the bosses confuse you with their rhetoric, if you're well-read and intelligent, you should be able to trust your own instincts. That's what self-evident means. As to the removal of "God", they said "...endowed by their Creator...", and I think that Creator when capitalized is more than clear, i.e., "God". Almost all of the signers were Freemasons, whose membership requires belief in God (although I don't know that they require extensive testing as to how their members conceptualize God), and so it would appear that the exclusion of the term God would be more an act of conciliation or even superstition than a rejection of anything.

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anonymous oddsman
by winsock＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A quickie post-debate-update from the oddsman. Looks like Ladbroke House is still heavy on Clinton, with prices the same as last time, William Hill and Ladbroke's have now agreed on a {bearish} number for Dole, but the strange disparity in Perot odds remains. The oddsman still seeks a Moscow correspondent for UK arbitrage opportunities. Possible nym soon, so stay tuned. Prices @ 09:10 BST Sat 18th Oct 96 +---------+----------------+----------------+ | | Ladbroke's | William Hill | +---------+----------------+----------------+ | Clinton | No bets taken | 1:16 | | Dole | 7:1 | 7:1 | | Perot | 50:1 | 500:1 | | Browne | Not currently offered by either | +---------+----------------+----------------+ | Phone | +44-800-524524 | +44-800-444040 | | Numbers:| | | +---------+----------------+----------------+ The oddsman's roving reporter can't get any reply on the phone from Coral, so they may be out of the running on this year's horse race. I'll keep you posted -- 'till next post-time. anonymous oddsman "Demeaning the integrity of the U.S. Presidential election process for you on a regular basis, at no charge."

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RE: Goodbye [NOSTALGIA]
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Dale Thorn C'mon now, you guys sound like a bunch of old men, groaning over the checkers board about how you can't keep track of the six or seven medications you take every day. ........................................................................ I was not complaining about an inability for keeping track of the list traffic. Neither was I bemoaning the fact that things change or go out of use, nor discussing the nature of true invention, nor seeking after general judgements on pinnacles per se. None of my statements were in reference to things per se, but only as they relate to the cypherpunks, to the present circumstance of the S/N ratio, and to James A. Donald's conclusions about the list. .. Blanc

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IP spoofer
by h2＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone got a good IP spoofer that can spoof the whole domain? The only shit I can find is those shitty ones that spoof the first part of the IDENTD which is possible to do in mIRC if you use it. Oh yeah, it has to be for Win95. Yes I know that no one likes win95 but I dont have a choice....I'll tell about that later.

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unsibscribe?
by Squirrel Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Alexander.Kvache" <alexk(a)hcl.com> sent the new word: > >unsibscribe to the list. I am pretty sure we have seen them all, now. OBcrypto - are these spellings randomly generated? JMR

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[PGP] Re: FYI - Biham/Shamir Differential Fault Analysis of DES, etc.
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In .cypherpunks, Matt Blaze <mab(a)research.att.com> writes: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <--- AT&T/NSA HQ >Subject: A new attack on DES > > >Research announcement: A new cryptanalytic attack on DES > > As usual, Blaze/AT&T uses cypherpunks to spread FUD from it's NSA masters. This time, however, he's stolen the work of others and twisted it to suit the corporate goals. Bet his next message is a commercial from AT&T for the clipper chip, which, they will ass-u-re us, fixes this socalled <<attack>>. Someone should sue Blaze and AT&T. Blaze, who is a wellknown homosexual Jew, probably can expect a nice bonus in next weeks blood money check for thinking of this latest little stunt, so I'm sure he can afford the legal fees. Just a cost of doing biz, right? Shame on him! p.S. I know this post sounds angry but this kind of shit just pisses me off so much.

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[crypto-philo]OTP or DES?
by walrus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is a thread going in coderpunks about some software company that claims to have invented a software OTP that uses a PRNG. The local experts have ruled that this is impossible and I would have to agree, but this thread got me thinking. I would argue that the security of an OTP is derived not from the fact that it really is secure, but from the fact that it is claimed to be an OTP. Imagine a plaintext, encrypted with triple-des. It looks like a bunch of 1's and 0's to the casual observer, but to you it is your secret plan to take over the world. Or so you would have us believe if we crack the cypher. actually you plan to take over the world using a completely different plan. It is quite easy to take the bits of the des-encrypted message, and calculate the OTP key nessasary to decrypt the message into your real plan. It would seem you could build a key to have your message say anything of equal length. Why then must a true OTP be based on a true RNG? Because one of the actual possible keys of a real OTP is indeed the encrypted des message, you can claim that it is an otp and no-one can prove otherwise. They can say "But we cracked your des key and can decypher this message!" and you say "nope i used an OTP, that is a false message, here is what it really says! The fact that by PURE coincidence that OTP could be decrypted using that particular key means nothing, because a true OTP can generate that bit sequence. So in conclusion i would say that we can give pgp complete and perfect security but the simple process of changing the header from ---Begin PGP message--- to ----Begin OTP message----. This makes you immune from decryption because no one will ever know or can ever prove that the decryption they got is the correct one. Any comments? Walrus

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ANother Timmy May clone
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy-May-style pseudo-crypto: >From: Edgar Stahley <EStahley(a)tricryption.com> >Newsgroups: comp.security.misc >Subject: Finally, an easy Encryption System >Message-ID: <3269375D.469A(a)tricryption.com> >Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 16:17:33 -0400 >Organization: Tricryption >Lines: 14 >NNTP-Posting-Host: u029.comcat.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >What if an encryption program was really easy to use? > >What if you could send important documents securely over the >internet without having to enter any keys at all? > >What if this was possible because you and your group of >recipients could be the only ones in the world having access to >your very own customized encryption system? > >What if there was a $2000 contest to check it out? > > * (R) Edgar Stahley ES(a)tricryption.com >* TRICRYPTION - IBM file encryption. Fax/Phone: (215) 453-1452 > * Web site: http://www.tricryption.com

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Re: IP: - Biham/Shamir Differential Fault Analysis of DES, etc
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:45 PM 10/18/96 -0700, John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> wrote: >Note that this attack requires physical access to the DES chip, to >stress it so it will fail. It works great against "tamper-proof" >devices such as smart cards. It doesn't work against encryption >happening at any distance from the attacker (e.g. across the network). It's probably most useful for defeating attempts to force smart cards on the public as the government's solution to Key Recovery (e.g. Clipper 4 fails, so after the election they come out with Clipper 5 or the Anti-Terrorism Airplane Traveller's License Smartcard.) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk Imagine if three million people voted for somebody they _knew_, and the politicians had to count them all.

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