December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Schelling Points, Rights, and Game Theory--Part II
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:51 PM 7/25/96, jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca wrote: >The stats on the average internet user are usually something like 85% male, >US$50K average income, 30-35 years old, Univeristy education. I doubt the age figure, and would want to see confirmation before using it. Certainly most people I deal with on the Net seem to be younger than 30-35, though this may be a reasonable _average_ (if not _median_). But the rest of the stats fit. >It may come as no suprise then that Internet users as a group could have life >experiences significantly different than a majority of the population. >Similarily, their views may also be in the minority. On the other hand, they do >hold a majority of the technological power. > >Revenge of the Nerds is one phrase that I have heard. An old movie name, of course. And "Triumph of the Nerds" was the name of the recent PBS/Mark Stevens program. (I hate the term "nerd," as I hate the names "dweeb," "geek," "jerk," etc. Believe me, anyone who thinks being called a "nerd" is complimentary, or anyone who labels himself as a "geek," is probably one who would call himself a "nigger," or a "queer.") >tcmay(a)got.net wrote: >>Even meant humorously (">;-)"), many of us would dispute the notion that >a >voluntarily-taken job is a "McJob." Frankly, working at a fast-food place >>is usually not a lifetime career, but is instead a [stepping stone] > >And what or who guarantees that this later, better job exists. Much of what I >read today suggests that McJobs may become the norm for many. "Guarantees"? You ask "what or who guarantees" a better job? I am speechless. There are no guarantees, friend. Not in this reality. Jobs are not something created by the stroke of a Presidential pen--jobs are what we call the exchange of labor or brainpower for money or other considerations. If Alice wants a new roof, and Bob offers to roof her house for a price she think is reasonable, this is a "job" for Bob. And so on. >Can you image working at a low paying job for your entire life. I personally >can't. I work hard and am doing well for myself. Like most of those here, >crypto >would be a benefit for me. On the other hand, unlike most of the population, I >could join Mensa if I applied. My point: I'm not average and I suspect that >neither are you or most of those here. How do you make the cypherpunks agenda >(on the days that there is one ;-) of widespread concern to the average >citizen? I don't, actually. As to "working at a low paying job...", it's a matter for them to work out, perhaps by getting new skills, perhaps by working two jobs, perhaps by opening a business. The statistics on where wealth was created in the 1985-95 period show it overwhelmingly came from new entrepreneurial efforts. >I'm having a hell of a time getting my e-mail read because I'm too busy >shooting >at the food scavengers. They killed my dog! > ???? Not a persuasive argument. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: PREDICTIONS, MUST BE BREAK TIME...
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The AFIM can 'rebuild' fingerprints to overcome dirt a scar tissue > problems. It also uses a special lense which reads only 3d images so > photocopies and a cut off fingers will not work. > > Tyler Whitaker > ttw(a)spire.com > Senior Internet Engineer > Spire Technologies. It is interesting to note that when your fingers / hands are cut off they automagically turn into two dimensional objects. -- "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ |Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | |proff(a)suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | |proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+

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Re: Twenty Bank Robbers -- Game theory:)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My commentary below supposes that the robbers are _not_ cypherpunks, but are fanatic logicians, and prefer poverty to death. It also assumes that all motions are non-debatable, which reduces the amount of dealmaking possible. At 05:52 AM 7/26/96 -0400, Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> wrote: >If only 19 and 20 are left, 19 has 50% of the vote, and can take all. #20 >loses out. >Therefore, with 18,19, and 20 left, 20 will take whatever 18 offers, as >it is better than getting nothing. >With 17,18,19,20 left, 17 should propose a split with 20, who will likely >get a smaller cut from 18, because of the above. > >With 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, three votes are needed, reducing the take for >the majority, so no one other than #16 is acting in their best interest >to approve a split, except for #19 trying to avoid losing out to 17/20 in >the next round. Not enough for a majority. Wrong. If 16 gets killed, 18 knows that 17 and 20 will probably split the money, so it's in 18's interest to team with 16 and 19. 15, 17, and 20 can also vote to split the money. 14's position is a bit shakier, but he's got more people to deal with. ...>... >All even-numbered cypherpunks should then expect a short life expectancy. >(You are number 6; who is number 1?) What do you want? - The money! # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Silliness on cypherpunks
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While I don't intend to try to impose my views on what cypherpunks should discuss, I would like to inject some comments on some recent trends that I throw into the "silliness" category. The first issue is the seemingly sincere attempts at answering questions that are obviously irrelevant. IMO cypherpunks are not "Mr. Answer Man" for every question someone has regarding computers or electrical engineering. Sure, most of us are pretty capable of answering these questions - that doesn't mean that we should. Whenever I asked a silly question at home, my dad used to tell me - "look it up". The process of finding the answer was actually far more important than the answer itself. We should attempt to ignore these kinds of questions. Maybe eventually they will go away. My other "peeve of the day" is the wonderful introduction of the "mee too" postings to cypherpunks. I know it makes you feel really great to donate your old TRS-80 to the cause of brute-forcing DES, but honestly, most of us don't share your joy. Nuff said. For the record, I appreciate good humor (I get a real kick out of the "Cypherpunk Enquirer"). I think humor absolutely has a place on this list, I just differentiate humor from some of the "silliness" trends I noted above. Clay *************************************************************************** Clay Olbon II * Clay.Olbon(a)dynetics.com Systems Engineer * PGP262 public key on web page Dynetics, Inc. * http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html ***************************************************************** TANSTAAFL

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Re: Distributed DES crack
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Jul 26 13:25:22 1996 > At 10:30 7/23/96, Matt Blaze wrote: > > >My estimate is that an FPGA-based machine that can do a single DES key > >every four months (eight months to exhaust the whole keyspace) could > >be built with off-the-shelf stuff for comfortably under $50k (plus > >labor, plus software development costs). A prototype board should > cost > >under $1000 and will help prove the concept and get a more accurate > cost > >estimate. I expect to build such a prototype machine myself, and, if > it > >works as I expect, maybe the whole thing. > > I am willing to financially contribute to the project. > > If this were to be a card (via RS232 or PC-bus), thousands of people would be able to copy it, once the development process is finished. -> You'd have hardware that all those people could use for a distributed crack, the building cost would be distributed also (<$100), only development would have to be at one place (sponsored of course). Now, that would be a scary thought for DES-fans! - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMfirIxFhy5sz+bTpAQEpQggAsgkbxVgxbKSSMrCT/gjBvmagHhl0KWqd 9rtbRcp8D2jKXYQ1f7yVWsvD/UEWV4hKpZtUOLKk90HrnL96N+QERUsx55ojqHxQ VzOInVjEexlM+mIYcP+IYCmMtM05o7GcVJTFjmT9GrpNWSVrA0szwJnROLkkkJ9b JV8+QSKusYX+Xy5BBpBEmyb6036+zgurZuGll6+A0hks5azGnRlbcYMgQhQ1ToKn /TqeFSCxwPCMSrfnhtfMeyCCa0z7ysue36kXhZaSHbgw2Zm+ejaB4/lINjultl33 iE7IqcE3Q824itorCmak3PM3CslTOG6iOszRSL70JD8t0ddjt4c/UA== =+ipg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[FUNNY] Rich Graves exposed
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I didn't realize Rich is a neo-Nazi revisionist. :-) Path: ...!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.nap.net!news.pyrotechnics.com!kiwi.pyrotechnics.com!scallon From: scallon(a)pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.personals.intercultural,soc.couples.intercultural,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.censorship,news.groups Subject: Re: Ken McVay and Rich Graves support censorship Followup-To: can.politics,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.personals.intercultural,soc.couples.intercultural,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.censorship,news.groups Date: 26 Jul 1996 03:41:43 GMT Organization: George Clinton/Bootsy Collins '96 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4t9epn$972(a)news.pyrotechnics.com> References: <4s5b5c$1s5(a)tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <alain-2007961547510001(a)maximon.e-sense.net> <4ss1co$eq(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> <slepokuo-2708561335090001(a)agta173.cadvision.com> <4ssifd$1b2(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> <005304Z22071996(a)anon.penet.fi> <4sun4t$rln(a)news1.panix.com> <093312Z22071996(a)anon.penet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: kiwi.pyrotechnics.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] For those of you who do not understand: Kenneth McVay started the Nizkor Project after he stumbled across Dan Gannon's revisionist BBS (denies the Holocaust). His Nizkor Project had millions of byltes of data about the Holocaust and info about the revisionists (i.e. Gannon, Les Greaseball, Rich Graves, Kevin Alfred Strom, etc.); He was awarded the Order of British Columbia for his work. -- Brendan John Francis Scallon When it comes to the net, I'm scallon(a)pyrotechnics.com similar to the thrilla in Manila Race: Other__Celtic__ http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~scallon CLINTON/COLLINS '96 This country needs a Parliament

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Re: Produce 7 Hertz Frequency
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Jerome Tan <jti(a)i-manila.com.ph> > Does anyone know how to produce a 7 hertz frequency? Jerome has so far asked us, among other things: What does 'reverse engineering' mean in a hacking context? Does anyone know how to make a home-made telephone voice changer? Is it possible to penetrate a firewall? How can I crack unix password files? Is there a way I can run Unix under Win95? I think this man needs to read alt.2600, not cypherpunks. I wonder if this is the same Jerome Tan who was at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore? I wonder what the folks at St Luke's Medical Center in Manilla think of this stuff? Peter Trei ptrei(a)acm.org

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Re: Twenty Bank Robbers -- Game theory:)
by Frank Willoughby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Twenty cypherpunks robbed a bank. They took 20 million bucks. Here's >> how they plan to split the money: they stay in line, and the first guy >> suggests how to split the money. Then they vote on his suggestion. If >> 50% or more vote for his proposal, his suggestion is adopted. >> Otherwise they kill the first robber and now it is the turn of guy #2 >> to make another splitting proposal. Same voting rules apply. Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems to me that first person in line (#1) would say propose that the first 11 people in line each receive a split of 1/11 of the 20 million and that since this doesn't come out exactly even, that he (#1) would make up the few cents difference out of his share (a small price to pay to keep alive). This would probably get the votes of the first 11 people. Results: o First 11 people split the money (last 9 get zip) o All live. Best Regards, Frank Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature. -- Rich Kulawiec <standard disclaimer> The opinions expressed above are of the author and may not necessarily be representative of Fortified Networks Inc. Fortified Networks Inc. - Information Security Consulting http://www.fortified.com Phone: (317) 573-0800 FAX: (317) 573-0817 Home of the Free Internet Firewall Evaluation Checklist

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Rush on crypto
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> wrote: > OB Crypto: From what I have heard Mr. Limbaugh _didn't_ like the CDA, >and if the right person can get to him and convince him properly, he might >even come out against GAK (if he hasn't already). He has the potential to >reach millions of _very_ loyal people. It might be worth someones time to >try to get thru to him. When Clinton testified in the recent whitewater trial via videotape, it was reported in the press that the testimony was sent to Arkansas via an encrypted data link. Rush commented that it was only a matter of time before some smart teenager figured out how to decrypt it. I sent him a brief email discussing crypto (PGP, etc.) and gave him some links, explaining why it was not likely that a teenager could decrypt the transmission. I never received a reply (didn't expect to however, I am sure he is inundated with email). He uses a computer and mentions it often on his radio show - I think Chris is right, if we could somehow get him to understand the technology, he would probably be on our side against GAK. As a libertarian, I find that I agree with Rush on a great many issues (many more than I have in common with the liberals). Most of the people who speak badly of him have never listened to him for any length of time. Sound bites taken out of context are wonderful for mischaracterization. Clay *************************************************************************** Clay Olbon II * Clay.Olbon(a)dynetics.com Systems Engineer * PGP262 public key on web page Dynetics, Inc. * http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html ***************************************************************** TANSTAAFL

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Re: Anonymous Web Services Inc.
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Jul 26 15:30:18 1996 I went to that page. It's lousy and useless. If you follow the adresses in the source, you end up at "Aristocratic Advertising Administration", which belongs to this guy: floeter(a)sendit.nodak.edu and floeter(a)www.hillsboro.k12.nd.us http://134.129.18.248/~floeter/ and he as a collegue at bladow(a)sendit.nodak.edu and HREF="http://134.129.18.248/~bladow/inex.htm I guess those two just want to be cool (what a pity). - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMfjIaxFhy5sz+bTpAQG/3Qf8DCOB0S0Z8YKIDfU3Cz3pOPemW9l48Dfm 5G3eOhEQ2zE7y6K/piyT8pef3U8N4ri7pC9BhmGgMbJdF8s/SYUNhjF2uTS4eSR8 NI4hfeibWNMZ8msbkG6cvn5RtzexyMwAN5K8wCa6+WKynBWWSAwtpx7zRs/9fcxZ /qaOYfOByikkecCi83W4Uqc/s2HB21YspOswPjv++vpJZHyXb2BVu7ke1fhBatfV 85GDL4YdG3KjdEr2vErtEeLZnLpkpGWoYKngUOByIVc0ib3lmupLsqveZrjXiR74 aweKoSIHSALwyVje7IC7L9VEsuISJuG+n+riZLb56KyjUFFlvvQY7A== =tRWT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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