December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Here is a reminder on the Cyperpunks meeting in Portland, OR on the 27th of April, 1996. The meeting will be held at Powell's Technical Books at 33 SW Park (Right off of Burnside) in Portland, Or at 5:23pm. We will have people speaking on a couple of topics, a key signing if we can get enough interested individuals, and general conversation on cryptography and other things on and off topic. For more information, send me e-mail at alano(a)teleport.com. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMX8dVOQCP3v30CeZAQHY4gf+PtKUM4HRuAZV0Myy4y22jw5t/PXLaLlk DXCSjE5qAI/F/zO1JXwiHsjfOd5O8dWkZ8EYbJc8gdMo5/cFs0ItLKGbRyPI8oqv zdTGNix9cjkhKF+a5wHoaJVVU5trcba0HIkrCgUfkEtLfmEg/8KyLqfCyI8dIPMK ub9Xgmzkj3yglF75jDycfKEDAxcugQAEgI10ju+VSKDhm+l11ECQsEhN5dv20p0A JRjP+1DKzCsrEbgky6bzZNKGUltgL5OrFBEQi2Udq+6AOUjgAC9UEvt+CAOVM5Bl wORavRYp7hy5sP2uI++s6+MYzx55CUSOZfTMHRFE4IKq4zEDijFTUw== =eLbH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- | Remember: Life is not always champagne. Sometimes it is REAL pain. | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: [NOISE- Pratical Application] Reasonable people
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have stopped to offer first aid after two traffic accidents, one in Nevada and one in California. Both states have a "Good Samaritan" law which protects people who offer first aid from legal liability. While I have an extensive background in first aid, none of my credentials are current. The practical result is that in neither case did anyone ask me my name. I believe that the police enforce the Good Samaritan laws by making no records which would identify people who might be sued. This applies to rank amateurs or Professors of Emergency Medicine. In the final analysis, I would rather take the chance of being hurt by someone who didn't know what he was doing than take chance that someone would be deterred from stopping by threat of liability. It appears to me that the law also takes this view. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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No Subject
by Michael Loomis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsubscrive

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Re: [NOISE] [Wager: Seeming Resolution]
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:16 AM 4/25/96 +0000, Jonathon Blake wrote: > > Jim: > >On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, jim bell wrote: > >> Notice that he hasn't presented what he would claim to be the scope of the >> conditions, which suggests that he's going to try to spring them on me > > I haven't seen a list of your conditions yet. > > How about placing your minimally acceptable requirements > for accepting Black Unicorn's Wager. At the very least, he'd have to IDENTIFY himself at least to the extent that I have done so. Name, address, telephone number, etc. >> the examples quoted in that SC decision, which were cited as exceptions to >> 5th amendment protections in the US, all of them represent examples which >> were only considered technologically useful in the last 100 years, the >> oldest being fingerprinting. Given this, it is easy to conclude that there > > Which makes it interesting that he provides an Ecclesiastical > Court Decision from the Seventeenth Century. > > It isn't the US, but you haven't made an limitations > as to which legal system is acceptable. As you quoted me above, you are aware that my point was that the SC-listed exceptions to the 5th amendment were recent and didn't have older US precedent. I claimed that there was no logical reason to believe that such claimed exceptions were anything other than comparatively recent excuses given to allow violations of the 5th amendment. While I am not totally disinterested in foreign examples, that was NOT the area under discussion. A foreign example is irrelevant because it does not challenge my claim. Notice that Unicorn has studiously avoided my original observation.

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Re: Mixmaster to DOS Yet?
by loki＠obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes, it works. I am trying to get my cross compiler to compile the code before I certify that it is good, and attach my signature. I am recompiling gcc as I write, hopefully that will solve the problem. -Lance At 8:12 PM 4/20/96, John Erland wrote: >[Please respond netmail - I do not see this list regularly...thanks!] > >Time to ask again: Has anyone ported Mixmaster to DOS yet? > >Thanks for any info. > > JE >-- >: Fidonet: John Erland 1:203/8055.12 .. speaking for only myself. >: Internet: kdf(a)gigo.com ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: NYT on MS Java, Net Radio
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > "Edge for Sun as Microsoft Embraces Java." > > By John Markoff > > http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/0425license.html >From the article: > SAN FRANCISCO -- Sun Microsystems Inc., already a stock-market favorite > on the strength of its Internet products, has secured a significant > endorsement from Microsoft Corp., which plans to announce next week > that it will incorporate Sun's Java software programming language into > the Microsoft Windows 95 personal computer operating system. > The companies would not comment, but industry executives said > Microsoft, whose Windows operating system is used on some 80 percent of > the world's PCs, will join IBM and Novell, among other companies, in > announcing plans to embed Java into their software operating systems. > Those moves, and the possibility of a similar endorsement by Apple > Computer Inc., should go a long way toward making Java an industry > software standard in the rapidly expanding Internet market. In other Java news, the report from the Princeton scientists who have found many security weaknesses in Java is now available at <URL: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/sip/pub/secure96.html >. It is very critical of the language design and implementation. I don't fully agree with the thrust of their criticisms, because I don't think provability is a practical matter with programs complex enough to be useful. But they have certainly identified an alarming number of problems. I will post later today a list of the issues they have identified. Hal

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The Iron Mountain Report
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some years ago the federal government set up a special [inaudible] group. For two-and-a-half years they met in secret at Iron Mountain, New York. Their findings were called "Report from Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of Peace." Their document, by some of the leading thinkers, was suppressed. Later, it was printed in a limited edition, with the *names* removed. Some were shocked by what they read. Throughout history, permanent peace was dangerous to established governments. War, and the threat of war, are the principal organizing force for most societies. They divert attention from *other* economic and political problems. War keeps the factories going, wasting government manpower and material that would otherwise be of surplus. Peace brings unemployment, the collapse of prices of goods and property, and knocks down the government. In simple terms, war prevents [economic] depression. (By the way, sooner or later, whatever nation loses a war is overthrown. So it has been all the centuries. The American ruling circles lost the Vietnam War. The aftermath is bound to scatter the rulers to the winds.) As the report says, in Europe, over the years, the typical standing army consisted of troops unfit for employment in commerce, industry or agriculture, led by officers unfit to practice any legitimate profession or to conduct a business enterprise. A large standing army is a form of social welfare program; a form of control of the population. War, and the threat of war, keep all levels of society busy. The newspapers are kept rich reporting it. Pundits are employed to mouth off. Wars speed up so-called scientific development. War goods do not have to show a profit or be the lowest price. In permanent peace there are vast cutbacks in research and development. And yes, wars kill off surplus population; young men with no good job waiting for them. The [Iron Mountain] report points out that the war system makes stable government of society possible. The end of war means the end of national sovereignty. Without an identified enemy, why would the CIA have a large secret budget to assassinate political leaders and overthrow other governments the White House does not like? To promote their secret agenda, the CIA has taken over a part of the savings and loan system to funnel men and money for "dirty tricks" here and overseas. The CIA likewise manipulates the federal bankruptcy courts to grab up companies for use as covert action fronts. In Chicago, this is done with the help of foreign intelligence agencies, such as Mossad. Chicago bankruptcy trustee William A. Brand (sp?) jr. is a top honcho of the CIA and other spy shops. In the name of national security, the mass media have been *ordered* to "soft pedal" or "stay shut" about spy agencies doing such things. The CIA involvement in bankruptcy court should have made headlines as the number one item on the evening TV news. Yet not one word is said by the liars and whores of the press. Play it again: Fermilab and weather modification. (312) 731-1505. New message Monday; we change it several times a week. Donations appreciated. Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 9800 S. Oglesby (sp?), Chicago, 60617. For the latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political assassinations and the news media. On 24 hours.

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[PASSWD] good MCI password..."1234"?
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[from RISKS 18.06] ................................. cut here ................................. Date: 19 Apr 1996 21:07:06 GMT From: chadm(a)unhinged.engr.sgi.com (Chad Ray McDaniel) Subject: MCI recommending bad security practices Taking advantage of yet another incentive offer, I recently switched my long distance carrier to MCI. They sent me the standard yet-another-piece-of-plastic-to-stick-in-my-wallet calling cards. The way these cards work is that you call an 1-800 number and type in your code consisting of your phone number followed by your PIN (Personal Identification Number) which happens to be printed on the card. Enclosed with the cards was a piece of paper in which MCI wisely suggests that you change your PIN to something other than what they assigned to you and printed on the card: Customizing your PIN Choosing your own four-digit number is the best way to assure you'll never forget your PIN. Make it the month and year of a loved one's birthday or use the same password you have for your voice mail or computer. We'll quickly replace the PIN we assigned you with any four digits you choose - just call 1-800-476-7306 For some strange reason MCI is recommending you to do exactly the opposite of what good security practices would proscribe! Not only do they suggest that you use an easily-breakable password such as an important date, but they recommend a practice that would weaken the security of potentially more sensitive information in a voice-mail or computer system. Of course, what probably prompted note from MCI was a desire to prevent MCI's customer service department from being inundated with calls from people who forgot their PINs. This alludes to the associated risk of requiring people to remember Yet Another Password (YAP). -chad

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NYT on MS Java, Net Radio
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

April 25, 1996 "Edge for Sun as Microsoft Embraces Java." By John Markoff http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/0425license.html ---------- "FCC Backs Cheap Link to Internet by Radio." By Edmund L. Andrews http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/0425radio.html

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International Capital Flows Called Criminal
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Financial Times, April 24, 1996, p. 8. US prosecutor attacks bank secrecy laws By Clay Harris Mr John Moscow, assistant district attorney for Manhattan: "Bank secrecy statutes in international finance are used by crooks, tax evaders, securities fraudsters, and capital flight fellows; they are used by narcotics dealers. But they are not needed by honest folks engaged in honest transactions." Now the last time I looked, 'Capital Flight' was as legal as church on a Sunday. Or is this a proposal for exchange controls. Is this guy a state or federal prosecutor? He was also unable to come up with legitimate reasons for $3 Billion to go from Egypt to the Bahamas. I can think of any one of a number of legal reasons, one being "International Tax Planning." DCF

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