December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: AWARD: CHRISTMAS NET SCROOGE - AT&T & NETSCAPE??
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com writes: > > Everyone should ask this question. AT&T can sign-on to a two-page ad, > > calling on Congress to balance the budget -- to cut off veterans, and > > cut-off women with dependent children just before Christmas. It can > > sign on to this, but it can't bother to even offer a scholarship to > > the students who helped make its fortunes. It would rather leave the > > impression that it freeloads off of other's efforts. > > God, you are annoying Fred, ER, I meant, "Alice". My dearest Perry. I am not Fred. I am not he. He is not me. Got it?? We aren't even in the same category or the same country. Fred's an American, and I am not. Scary, isn't it?? A non-American ... Oh ... and a Happy Ho Ho to ya, Perry. My own best wishes. (just in case you didn't get my email, which wished the same, I mean). And _none_ of this changes the fact that AT&T and Netscape are my personal nominees for the "Christmas Net Scrooge" award. Anyone willing to second, that?? Alice de 'nonymous ... <an455120(a)anon.penet.fi> ...just another one of those... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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Re: CFS and Linux
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fred Cohen writes: > The dollar value would be $1 plus a public apology plus all costs of the > suit plus my time to right the wrong (at my usual fee of course). Of > course the fact that you have decided to make this posting in public > justifies my extensive efforts to clear my reputation which, unless you > apologize immediately will be surprisingly enjoyable for me. Go and sue, Fred. Its what I have lawyers for. If you can even find an attorney willing to take your "case", mine will likely remind yours that lawyers can now be punished by the court in many jurisdictions for knowingly aiding in bringing frivolous suits. If you are seeking $1 in damages the court is especially likely to consider the whole thing a waste of time. I think you will find that I'm very, very hard to intimidate. Don't bother "giving me a second chance" or any such stuff. Either find a lawyer stupid enough to risk his license by taking this case and let me know you are suing me by sending over a process server, or quit bothering me. > Let's see. I guess I would start by having the police confiscate the > toad.com computers becfause thay are part of a criminal conspiracy to > daamage my reputation. Criminal because of the recent changes in the > law that prohibit you from sending me information I don't want to get. I think you will find that John Gilmore is even more difficult to intimidate than I am. Perry

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Fred Cohen: Re: CFS and Linux
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I thought people would love to see this. Note especially "Dr." Fred's threat to have toad.com confiscated as part of a conspiracy against his reputation. Perry ------- Forwarded Message From: fc(a)all.net (Fred Cohen) Message-Id: <9512231757.AA22460(a)all.net> Subject: Re: CFS and Linux To: perry(a)piermont.com Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:57:40 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199512231733.MAA07103(a)jekyll.piermont.com> from "Perry E. Metzger" at Dec 23, 95 12:33:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text X-UIDL: 819742624.003 > Fred Cohen writes to me in private: > > > Alice B. Cohen writes: > > > > If you mean to imply that I am Alice, that constitutes slander, and I > > will sue. > > I'd love to see you try. Please, sue me immediately. > > Since you agree in public with Alice practically all the time, the > damages would be fascinating to assess. "Your honor, my client, who > has no reputation in the group we are discussing to speak of, feels > that by being publically conflated with this anonymous personage who's > opinions he univerasally agrees with that his reputation has been > damaged, since, well, er, we aren't sure why, but it has. I mean, > people might ascribe opinions to him that he claims to hold! Obviously > that must be damaging!" To the contrary, I have a very good global reputation, and you are knowingly and maliciously attempting to slander me by claiming that I use a false identity to support my positions. > What would the monetary damages be, Fred? I mean, there are some > people here who would gain a bit of added respect for you since being > Alice would imply that you knew how to use anonymous remailers, so > there would be some evidence that you could do *something*, which many > people here had in doubt up until now. I suspect you actually gain > reputation that way, so perhaps I should sue you for unjust > enrichment. (*) Let's see. I guess I would start by having the police confiscate the toad.com computers becfause thay are part of a criminal conspiracy to daamage my reputation. Criminal because of the recent changes in the law that prohibit you from sending me information I don't want to get. The dollar value would be $1 plus a public apology plus all costs of the suit plus my time to right the wrong (at my usual fee of course). Of course the fact that you have decided to make this posting in public justifies my extensive efforts to clear my reputation which, unless you apologize immediately will be surprisingly enjoyable for me. - -> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net/ Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236 ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Fred Cohen: Re: CFS and Linux
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

More Fun from Fred. For those that haven't been following, he threatened to sue me for quoting an Alice post as "Alice B. Cohen", and threatened to have his attorneys seize the machines the cypherpunks mailing lists run on for being part of a "criminal conspiracy" against him. Perry ------- Forwarded Message From: fc(a)all.net (Fred Cohen) Message-Id: <9512231834.AA23326(a)all.net> Subject: Re: CFS and Linux To: perry(a)piermont.com Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 13:34:49 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199512231833.NAA07171(a)jekyll.piermont.com> from "Perry E. Metzger" at Dec 23, 95 01:33:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text X-UIDL: 819744158.001 > Fred Cohen writes: > > The dollar value would be $1 plus a public apology plus all costs of the > > suit plus my time to right the wrong (at my usual fee of course). Of > > course the fact that you have decided to make this posting in public > > justifies my extensive efforts to clear my reputation which, unless you > > apologize immediately will be surprisingly enjoyable for me. > > Go and sue, Fred. Its what I have lawyers for. If you can even find an > attorney willing to take your "case", mine will likely remind yours > that lawyers can now be punished by the court in many jurisdictions > for knowingly aiding in bringing frivolous suits. If you are seeking > $1 in damages the court is especially likely to consider the whole > thing a waste of time. Your choice, but it's not a very nice Christmas present to find yourself in litigation. I'll give you till Tuesday to reconsider. If I see the public apology, I won't call the lawyers. If I were you, I would talk to those lawyers of yours and get their opinion of whether it's worth your while to be malicious toward people in this way in exchange for defending against a law suit when all you have to do to prevent it is apologize for what you now know to be a falsehood. - -> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net/ Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236 ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: CFS and Linux
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fred Cohen writes: > > Go and sue, Fred. Its what I have lawyers for. If you can even find an > > attorney willing to take your "case", mine will likely remind yours > > that lawyers can now be punished by the court in many jurisdictions > > for knowingly aiding in bringing frivolous suits. If you are seeking > > $1 in damages the court is especially likely to consider the whole > > thing a waste of time. > > Your choice, but it's not a very nice Christmas present to find yourself > in litigation. I'll give you till Tuesday to reconsider. If I see the > public apology, I won't call the lawyers. As I said, Fred, quit giving me "second chances"; either send the process server with the court papers or let the matter drop. Don't bother sending any more "just one more chance" messages to me -- I won't be altering my opinion. As for apologies, I have nothing to apologize for, so I have no intention of apologizing to you -- ever. Perry

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Re: AWARD: CHRISTMAS NET SCROOGE - AT&T & NETSCAPE??
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, it looks like somebody finally seconded my vote for AT&T & Netscape to win the Christmas Net Scrooge Award. His words were: "It makes me sick ... it's like the Nazi's sending out the Brownshirts to break the windows for all the looters." So, I'll just repost the entire nomination without any editting. Even though I've gotten Christmas wish #2 (Bob Dole is NOT going to Bosnia), I think it's still topical, since I'm still waiting on Christmas wish #1 and #3. So ... just in case Santa is listening ... and since I already got wish #2, rather than just bringing Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All Men, which everybody asks for, anyhow -- could Santa do something about the Big Bad Oil Companies who want to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge?? I _know_ that Santa wants to protect the sensitive tundra around his Northern home. We all know that we aren't short of oil on the North American continent, like the Big Bad Oil Companies would have us believe. The Canadian tar sands in Alberta have proven reserves larger than Saudi Arabia, and are already a proven technology, and Torch Energy out of Texas is already a player, there, I think. No need to disturb the Wildlife. Protecting some Cariboo, would be a right friendly Christmas present, from Santa, if he can pull some strings. Thanks Santa. (if you're listening, I mean ...) (And now, for the repost ...) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Just in case, anyone missed this yesterday, I thought I'd renominate AT&T & Netscape for the: *** 1995 CHRISTMAS NET SCROOGE *** *** AWARD *** (T-shirt sales coming soon, to a website near you ...) ------------ Alice here ... Back on Tue, 19 Dec 1995, I wrote: >>>Can anyone tell me whether Ian Goldberg and David Wagner got their >>>$25,000 from Netscape for finding the HUGE security flaws in Netscape's >>>existing product line?? >>> >> >I can't remember whether they got anything or not ... >> >> That would be no (well, except for the nifty T-shirt from Sameer; Thanks!). > > Not anything?? That's shameful ... where on earth are the values in > America, today? Everyone should ask this question. AT&T can sign-on to a two-page ad, calling on Congress to balance the budget -- to cut off veterans, and cut-off women with dependent children just before Christmas. It can sign on to this, but it can't bother to even offer a scholarship to the students who helped make its fortunes. It would rather leave the impression that it freeloads off of other's efforts. It's shameful. > AT&T and Netscape have jointly made a small fortune distributing this > product, and yet NEITHER company feels that the software engineers who > "voluntarily" made a difference -- a couple of students -- deserve > even a wooden nickel for the ideas which were used. > > It's absolutely shameful. But then, I guess that AT&T and Netscape > have no shame at all. > > They just steal "intellectual property" from students, and don't even > pay a token amount. > > And people wonder what's wrong with America? Luckily for those of us who don't live in the United States, we can perhaps look at that country and truly wonder what is going on over there, and what is wrong with America? Where are the values amongst ALL Americans, not just Netscape and AT&T? What are the role models that all the leaders -- business, sports, and political leaders -- show to the national youth. Here is all I've seen (as a foreigner), over the last while: Enid Greene Waldholtz blubbering in a news conference about how she as a congress person certainly COULDN'T be expected to resign after winning her election with stolen money. Blubbering for five hours straight (except when she had to stop to turn a page, I mean) ... She certainly said that "leadership" is all about playing "victim". Poor little Enid. (And even worse, she was _defended_ by Susan Molinari.) Bob Dole, deciding to go to Bosnia. The former WW II veteran willingly jeopardizing the lives of American boys -- boys who have put their lives on the line in a _volunteer_ armed force -- all for a lousy political photo-op. The chance to say ... "hey look at me, I'm here in Bosnia." Someone who's willing to overrule the Pentagon's own most diplomatic advice on how complex an operation this actually is. And then there is AT&T. A company who's Chairman can publish a letter which calls on Congress to cut off checks to mothers with dependent children and war veterans days before Christmas, all while stealing and freeloading off of the work of some students. Scrooge ... take heart. Here's Holiday wish #1. Enid do the right thing ... resign. Say the "right thing" and say that your child -- the future and the delayed gratification that the future brings -- is much more important than your own personal PRESENT political aspirations. Here's Holiday wish #2. Bob, lots of people worked their asses off to make sure that the American fighter pilot, and the two French fighter pilots could be rescued from Bosnia. If you want to go and get some photo-ops, go to Germany or Italy, and give one hell of a vote of support to the boys that are there -- a support which could just as easily have been given and should be given in Congress. A _real_ strong unfettered commitment. And here's Holiday wish #3. AT&T. Do the right thing. Reward those people who help make you a fortune. Stand tall as an example, rather than as an embarrassment to the nation. You've ignored this for so long now, that you've almost dug your own grave. But you still have a chance to save face. Have the courage to take the chance when it's offered. Simply say that the proposal to reward David Wagner and Ian Goldberg -- some holiday mad money and scholarships -- was lost in committee, and approval processes -- but it WAS in the works, and it was recommended and can now be announced just before Christmas, as a rightful reward. Some holiday cheer. Will people think it's a cynical attempt at manipulation? Yep. But it's a darned site better than the alternatives -- especially when you look at possible future outcomes. Trust me, this is far better than calling for veterans and single mothers with children to be cut-off just before the holidays. Perhaps, Enid, Bob, and AT&T will all learn when to use offense and when to use defense. They might also learn that the best offense is a good defense. They might even begin to look at what "courage" truly is, and of how difficult it can be for anyone to do the "right thing", especially when they think that they're surrounded by minefields. Even when the "right thing" is in your own best interest, you not only have to be shown the right path to take, but you have to have the motivation and courage to make the move and take action. Enid, Bob, and AT&T, take note. Hopefully for the holidays, everyone finds the courage to neutralize some portion of the vulnerability spectrum they've placed themselves in. > > - Ian "There's a reason people talk about `starving grad students'..." > > Alice de 'nonymous ... <an455120(a)anon.penet.fi> ...just another one of those... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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X-Mas-Pisswords
by nobody＠valhalla.phoenix.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pseudonymous confusion. S. Boxx and Sue D. Nym (and some others with short duration) are proven historical nyms of Larry (Lance) Detweiler. Vladimir S. Nuri is the going suspected (proven?) tentacle; some believe he is Larry's better self. Dimitri Vulis seems closely related letter-wise. Alice originally drew attention when claiming that he had found a 'huge hole' in Netscape (if configured to run Postscript code). Alice (now with a penet address) is claiming to be a Canadian and has knowledge supporting that claim (according to other Canadians on the list). He is still attacking Netscape (and ATT) now and then, in between political causeries. The obvious other Alice('s) posted for a short period mainly to make a point about signatures. Fred Cohen once(?) had a reputation as a virus expert, being on the panel of various security conferences. He has since obviously made many enemies on the firewall list, and now also on this list. He is not a Canadian(?). He shares Alice's concern for Postscript (and JAVA) on the WWW but does not come anyway near Alice in political (occasionally rather funny) muck-raking. Analysis of writing styles clearly outdistance Larry (Nuri, Vulis) from (the Canadian) Alice. Fred and Alice are not as easy to separate, especially when they are flaming, but probably they are not the same. Pissy

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apache/ssl now commercially available
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've finally gotten the licensing taken care of. Whee! http://www.c2.org/apachessl/ -- sameer Voice: 510-601-9777 Community ConneXion FAX: 510-601-9734 The Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.org/ (or login as "guest") sameer(a)c2.org

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Re: Air Force hacks Navy? Eeeek!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:57 PM 12/22/95 -0500, fc(a)all.net (Fred Cohen) wrote: >I thought the ET article indicated an exaguration, but if it's true that >there are no Battleships in the US Navy anymore and that the attack was >run using DoD crypto equipment and networks, it's a heck of a lot >different than buying an off-the-shelf Internet package and taking down >the fleet. > >I have no doubt that someone with enough expertise, classified knowledge >and equipment, access, and assistance can get some limited control over >some US Navy ships for some period of time - but I seriously doubt that >a computer whizzkid can take over the fleet from a PC via Email. Depends on how much of a firewall the Navy's got; it may be that the guy really did a dialin to the Pentagon using passwords, or maybe that the ship really does have network connections without adequate security. People _do_ build dialin and other gateways to get around corporate firewalls, in spite of company policy; wouldn't surprise me if the military has the same problem. About 20 years ago, you could dial an FX line in Des Moines which connected to a line at Offutt AFB in Nebraska and autorotored to a radio circuit up to Looking Glass. Looking Glass had a small PBX; you could dial a 2-digit extension to reach somebody on the plane, or dial back down to the ground. At one point, the radio officer on the plane noticed two lights on on the PBX when nobody on the plane was talking on the phone; the rapidly ensuing investigation found a guy in the barracks using a 16-button Autovon phone dialing through the system to call his buddies in Guam. As one might expect, the phone lines coming down from Looking Glass are authorized to call anywhere in the world, at any precedence/preemption level they want to :-) While I don't personally know either the radio officer or the guy who got busted, I do have a friend who was around there when it happened... And similar nonsense is probably still possible today, unless Murphy's left the military. #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # .... Heading back to The Big Phone Company

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Re: cyphernomicon FTP site?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:07 AM 12/20/95 -0800, you wrote: >At 12:59 AM 12/20/95 -0800, you wrote: >>At 9:18 PM 12/19/95, Vinod Valloppillil wrote: >>>Anyone know where I can FTP a full copy of the cyphernomicon? >[Much deleted] >>Anybody who plans to download the entire linear file and then print it out >>must be missing a bits in his shift register. > >There are reasons to want a non-html version. The best being uploading to >your favorite text-oriented BBSes. (Or crypto-oriented BBSes.) Not >everyone has access to the web. (Yes, I know it is blasphemy...) It's also nice to be able to read it offline, or feed it to grep, or load copies of it to other sites to reduce congestion on Netcom... #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # .... Heading back to The Big Phone Company

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