December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

TWIST Re: Socio-Economic Cults
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:02 PM 8/28/97 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: > >>Maybe not, but how about the suggestion earlier to shoot people who >>are painting graffiti on your property? What happens if someone gets >>shot in that situation, or in some other gray area? > >This is an ideal value-added extension to all those surveillence TV cameras >springing up, especially on private property. With a bit of technology the >cameras and guns could automatically identify graffiti activity and alert a >security person or the resident. Tranc-type guns would be mounted on the >camera platforms. The artists would often be found facedown on the >pavement when the police arrive. So the police get to your house only to find an uncounsious St. Benard face down in the pavement because your security system identified him as a graffitte artist spraypainting something on the side of your house while wearing a weird fur coat.

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17 Dec '03

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hello
by Alexis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hello, Can anybody teach me the abc's on Hacking, Cracking, Phranking, Cryptomography, I know that to be a good hacker you have to know all, but speciallize on one. Or do any of you are in the LA area that willing to teach me face to face. Thank you Alexis.

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Re: gephardt slams crypto regs
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 06:16 PM 8/24/97 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >>Encryption is vital to the Net >> BY RICHARD A. GEPHARDT > >Thanks for posting this! My hat's off to Senator Gephardt for >coming out in favor of economic and personal freedom! > >(Of course, it's not like I'd set my hat _down_ where he could >steal it or check its national origin label :-) Dick's still a >statist protectionist, but even if he's doing the right thing >just to annoy the right-wing statists like Clinton, it's a good start!) I also thank Vladimir for posting the article. I was going to post a summary, but I found myself buried under a kilomessage or so of back email after my trip to Switzerland. I think this article is principally interesting because Senator Gephardt is the Democratic leader in the House. It seems to indicate considerable disarray in the administration on what our crypto policy should be. As the ever optimist, this article, along with Dorothy Denning's new stand, and the Burnstein decision indicates that the forces of crypto repression are in retreat. GO TEAM! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The Internet was designed | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | to protect the free world | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | from hostile governments. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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CPEH announcement/statement
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Congress for Peace in Euskal Herria (CPEH) cpeh(a)aol.com The Euskal Herria Journal (EHJ), an Internet publication reporting on the Basque struggle for self-determination and independence, is available temporarily at the following "mirror" sites: http://osis.ucsd.edu/ http://www.desaparecidos.org/ehj/ http://www.easynet.co.uk/cam/censorship/ehj http://samsara.law.cwru.edu/comp_law/ehj/ http://zthomas.digiweb.com http://www.contrast.org/mirrors/ehj/ The mirror sites support free speech without necessarily supporting the views and goals of the Euskal Herria Journal. On July 18, 1997, the Institute for Global Communications (IGC) suspended the EHJ web site for review. This occurred after IGC endured a virulent "e-mail bombing" attack promoted from Spain by political forces who opposed EHJ's reports on the Basque resistance movement and claimed IGC was hosting the Basque armed organization Euskadi Ta Askatasuna itself. The attack overwhelmed IGC's ability to keep their system running and threatened to temporarily end services to other clients. IGC is "reviewing whether EHJ membership in the `progressive pages directory' promoted by IGC is consistent with IGC's mission." In light of the controversy surrounding the Euskal Herria Journal web site we state the following: First, we believe that Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (ETA, Basque Homeland and Freedom) has a right to a web site just like the Zapatistas, the FARC-EP, the MRTA or any other resistance movement. However, EHJ is published by the Congress for Peace in Euskal Herria, an independent grassroots organization that promotes political negotiations and Basque self-determination. EHJ has historical information and documents about/from ETA but it would be presumptuous to speak for ETA. Second, we promote dialogue for a peaceful solution of the Basque conflict. And there cannot be real dialogue without including ETA, a principal antagonist in the conflict. Our campaign both in France and Spain includes seeking support for the restoration of key procedural rights and safeguards to comply with the international principles for the protection of people in detention or imprisonment in both countries, and the transfer of all Basque political prisoners to jails in the Basque Country--a first step to break the logjam conflict. Third, the intervention of the Spanish government--telling CNN to remove the links between its site and the Euskal Herria Journal--and the media that encouraged the "e-mail bombing," is a signal that EHJ is effective. Finally, we hope IGC restores the EHJ web site at the earliest possible date. We believe that no matter how threatening "e-mail bombing" was to IGC, the suspension of the EHJ web site gives into such attackers and endangers free speech. We appreciate IGC's difficulties but free speech does not come free. We remain committed to peace with JUSTICE and will continue--with or without a web site--to make known the struggle for civil and national rights in the Basque Country under French and Spanish rule and to get political negotiations started between the Spanish government and Euskadi Ta Askatasuna. Congress for Peace in Euskal Herria (CPEH) New York ENDS.

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Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults)
by Feanor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Aug 28, 9:59, Ian Sparkes wrote: } Subject: Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > At 14:43 28.08.97 +1000, you wrote: > >On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Adam Back wrote: > > > >[...] > > > >> If one person becomes too much of a nuisance (real trigger happy > for > >> ultra minor infractions [...] relatives, friends, or concerned > citizens > >> will correct (fill trigger happy person with lead). > > > >Dosn't help the poor person who got shot dose it? Am I mad to > beleave > >that getting killed is a reduction of basic civil liberties? > > > >> That's how the wild west worked anyway... outlaws didn't last that > >> long. > > > >Nor did the wild west. > > > > And nor the innconent bystanders. The 'you pissed me off - bang bang > you're dead' mentality was the reason for one of the largest > genocides in human history. One assumes you are reffering to the wild west again? Regardless, a point about the wild west: I have it from a fairly reliable source that in teh entire time period labeled 'The Wild West', there were about 8 shooting deaths in Dodge City (a particularily 'Wild' town), of which 5 were shotgun deaths.... Makes you wonder. I also have a pointer to an excellent, well researched US paper on why gun control is bad, if anyone wants it, but it's been posted here before I'm pretty sure.

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Re: Sit, Bubu. Sit! / Re: Stay issued; modified stay to follow
by Sam Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ASK ToolKit Clarifications
by Myron Lewis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I thought I would write one answer to all instead of getting embroiled in a number of individual engagements. I know that the claims we make for the ASK ToolKit(TM) sound a little too good to be true. In fact, someone I have been talking to for a while about other subjects and who I thought respected my views told me that "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is-- too good to be true. " But I have been on the same end of other controversial products and in the final analysis was vindicated because the product worked as advertised -- even better. I wouldn't lend my name to a "Snake-Oil" product. I don't need that kind of aggravation -- I'm too old. Let me clarify what the toolkit is and what it isn't. Unfortunately, I cannot talk about those things that are being patented, but maybe in the near future. The ASK ToolKit does not do encryption. It only provides keys on demand for encryption. These keys are synchronized across a communication link without the keys or information about them being given out. The keys are both random and unpredictable -- meaning that you will not be able to deduce what the next key is even if you have any key that was used in the past. The system does not depend on the secrecy of internal algorithms for security. The ASK ToolKit does not "manage keys", it just generates them on demand. The developer can do what he/she wants with them. To me, managing keys means distributing them to the appropriate users (with authorization) or moving them around outside of an application. That never needs to happen in an application using a symmetric system. The ASK ToolKit can be used in a Public-Private system, but that's a waste. We are not blindly implying that applications using the ASK ToolKit are unbreakable. However, the toolkit provides the means for intrusion detection and prevention. We know of no method this simple that does that. The toolkit provides a number of bells and whistles to allow the developer of an appliction using it to do many things like change keys as often as wanted -- even every bit (not practical) or re-synchronize (which is different from re-initializing). It also allows the last session information to either be stored in encrypted form on the machine or removed to a portable medium. The ToolKit does not provide the initial strong authentication needed to start the process off. There are many very good methods for doing this, so why should we bother. These range from formal encrypted methods like Diffie-Hellman to simple things like telephone calls, distributing floppy disks to users, filling out online applications where the other side already has critical information about the user, etc. One thing that these shared secret methods have going for them is that they can occur spontaneously -- random in time. That is one of the best means of security. The use of a shared secret with an application containing the ASK ToolKit is only necessary once for initialization. After the first Master Recovery Key (which can be thrown away immediately), there is no relationship to the shared secret and therefore the shared secret needn't remain secret. Short of real clairvoyance, there is no method of determining to 100% certainty that someone is who they say they are. All methods suffer from this first-time syndrome. It's what comes next that is important. Even that first CA needs to be authenticated. The ToolKit just cuts out the subsequent CA fetching process which for large systems of users who need to communicate often (more than once) can be overwhelming. The claims we make are not so much for the ToolKit itself but for the applications that we envision can be developed given the ingenuity of the developer. We invite everyone who has a genuine interest in possibly using the ToolKit, and who is not just tossing flame about, to contact us with their questions. If you are a responsible consultant or represent a responsible organization and can sign an NDA, then we would be glad to fill in the details. Myron Lewis President KeyGen Corporation The Key to Secure Communications(TM)

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Re: Monkey Wrench into the works
by Feanor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Aug 27, 10:44, Robert Hettinga wrote: } Subject: Monkey Wrench into the works > > --- begin forwarded text > > > Reply-To: "Myron Lewis" <mrlewis(a)keygen.com> > From: "Myron Lewis" <mrlewis(a)keygen.com> > To: "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Monkey Wrench into the works > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:25:55 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 > > We communicated today about the DCSB luncheon at the Harvard Club and I have > been looking at some of the e$pam traffic. I am somewhat amused because our > company is about to throw a monstrous perturbation into Public-Private Key > encryption. > > We invite you and everyone on the list (Please send this invitation out to > them as the info on how to do that didn't come through.) to visit the KeyGen > webpage, www.KeyGen.com and learn about Automatic Synchronized > KeyGeneration(TM). If you think you recognize it as something you have seen > before, you're close but wrong. > > We are obviously biased, but we feel strongly and so do many others, that > ASK will solve many of the security problems presently under discussion. In > time, it will probably sink Key Management and Certificate Authorities. It won't change dick all as long as it's got that nice (TM) beside it, which I assume means it's not source available or open to peer review. Please, no-one trust proprietary algs in the arena. <bzzzt> Sorry, try again.

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Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults)
by John Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jonathan Wienke: >It really isn't that hard to figure out that shooting a guy breaking >through your bedroom window at 3 AM with a crowbar and a TEC-9 is a Good >Thing, (at least if you value your continued existence, and that of your >family) while shooting someone giving you the finger on the way in to work >is a Bad Thing. In the second case, there is no threat to your life >involved, so there is no reason to kill anyone. In the first case, there >is. Is this brain surgery? Maybe not, but how about the suggestion earlier to shoot people who are painting graffiti on your property? What happens if someone gets shot in that situation, or in some other gray area? How would you propose to handle claims that a shooting was unjustified. Mob justice? Get enough people in the streets to storm the house of the shooter? Keep in mind that the majority of people may have views about the proper use of force which differ from yours and mine. Consider the roundup of Japanese Americans during WWII. Yes, a government action, but one with popular support. A Japanese man holes up in his house and shoots at those who try to take him away. A Caucasian man outside shoots back, fearing that the Japanese is a spy, whose information will lead to Japanese victory in the war. Both men are shooting, both fear for their lives. And in each case, the fear could arguably be justified, based on the information available to each man at the time. How does your simple rule solve this case? "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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